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Maybe there'll be more strats, but a lack of attacks hasn't really been the Space Wolf problem.

Their issue was and is getting there. Stil no notable bonuses to charge, especially from deepstrike (which is objectively worse than White Scars too). No advance & charge aside from Wulfen, who in turn lack a sub-300 point transport that won't be immediately blown to bits (or a reliable deep strike delivery). No strats to lock people in combat. No turning off overwatch in the day and age of not only tau, but insane Ultramarine / Iron Hands overwatch.

Etc...

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Maybe there'll be more strats, but a lack of attacks hasn't really been the Space Wolf problem.

Their issue was and is getting there. Stil no notable bonuses to charge, especially from deepstrike (which is objectively worse than White Scars too). No advance & charge aside from Wulfen, who in turn lack a sub-300 point transport that won't be immediately blown to bits (or a reliable deep strike delivery). No strats to lock people in combat. No turning off overwatch in the day and age of not only tau, but insane Ultramarine / Iron Hands overwatch.

Etc...

Ragnar has an aura for that.

 TedNugent wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Maybe there'll be more strats, but a lack of attacks hasn't really been the Space Wolf problem.

Their issue was and is getting there. Stil no notable bonuses to charge, especially from deepstrike (which is objectively worse than White Scars too). No advance & charge aside from Wulfen, who in turn lack a sub-300 point transport that won't be immediately blown to bits (or a reliable deep strike delivery). No strats to lock people in combat. No turning off overwatch in the day and age of not only tau, but insane Ultramarine / Iron Hands overwatch.

Etc...

Ragnar has an aura for that.

Always had. Wulfen have the same thing. Grey Knights' First to the Fray was a thing since their codex arrived.

Re-rollable 9" charges aren't hot. Nor is footslogging across the table and charging into Tau overwatch, re-roll or not.

So, I guess it’s confirmed Ghaz did kill Ragnar’s dogs, per the last page? I guess Primaris-Ragnar really IS 40k’s John Wick.

Shame. I was hoping for something that would rekindle my love for Wolves. At least I won't have to buy the supplement now.

Atlatl Jones wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

SW is better against units with hit mods and is not wildly different.

BA
5 * .666 = 3.3

SW
(3 * .167) + (3 * .833) = 3.0

If you’re going to include the Wolves’ chapter tactic in the math, you’ll need to incorporate the BA’s +1 to wound, which swings things dramatically back in their favour.

Ah, yes, but then I gave BA an unnecessary attack (should be 4 not 5), because I had Black Rage on the brain.

That makes BA worse on hit rolls and better on wound rolls. It's really a non-issue.

bad rules so far for a struggling bottom tier army,we need mobility enough with the attacks, t
he only good thing so far is access to generic litanies

Frankly the generic Litanies will help a ton. Canticle of Hate can make those 9" charges much more likely. Also funnily it can give models close to a Wolf Priest and Ragnar a 9" consolidation.

 lonewolf81 wrote:
bad rules so far for a struggling bottom tier army,we need mobility enough with the attacks, t
he only good thing so far is access to generic litanies

More attacks means that getting there with fewer models still makes them as effective as a faster unit.

 lonewolf81 wrote:
bad rules so far for a struggling bottom tier army,we need mobility enough with the attacks, t
he only good thing so far is access to generic litanies

"I don't like the rules so far"***

Corrected for you since Daedalus kinda proved you wrong so it's more a subjective thing than an objective one.

naah they dont stack...nothing about new w traits...this is bad:p

with all that shooting nowadays you wont get there without a reliable way and wolves dont have any at the moment

 Galas wrote:
As no one has posted it yet:

Spoiler:

Cool pic of Ragnar

Morden's stuck in this mindset where the current edition exists in a vacuum without past editions having no influence on how we view the game. As such, Space Wolves have always been a cog in the "Imperium" army (which didn't exist rules-wise until this edition) rather than a distinct Codex.

Or I might remember all the various editions......And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others. Its also hilarious trhat someone is seriously trying to say that the Wolves are not part of the Imperium or the forces of the Imperium. Seriously read some lore.

 lonewolf81 wrote:
naah they dont stack...nothing about new w traits...this is bad:p

You're welcome to think that. You're just wrong

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its also hilarious trhat someone is seriously trying to say that the Wolves are not part of the Imperium or the forces of the Imperium. Seriously read some lore.

It's an easy mistake, he confused them with the Dark Angels!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its also hilarious trhat someone is seriously trying to say that the Wolves are not part of the Imperium or the forces of the Imperium. Seriously read some lore.

It's an easy mistake, he confused them with the Dark Angels!

The Dark Angels the SW team-killed because they wouldn't answer the phone would like a word.

And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others.

At what others expense did anyone at all say they wanted something? You are reading a bit much into it. You might want to chill a bit. Take a valium, have a drink, something. People wanting things does not automatically mean they want to take things from you.

Justyn wrote:

And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others.

At what others expense did anyone at all say they wanted something? You are reading a bit much into it. You might want to chill a bit. Take a valium, have a drink, something. People wanting things does not automatically mean they want to take things from you.

Sigh - AS A SPACE WOLF PLAYER

There is a finite resource - if we have something (extra) for our Space Wolvbes armies then others can't - like i said maybe embrace that we SW players actually got more than everyone else rather than complaining that we have not got more.

maybe you should also take that chill pill and think about others.....

 Mr Morden wrote:

Justyn wrote:

And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others.

At what others expense did anyone at all say they wanted something? You are reading a bit much into it. You might want to chill a bit. Take a valium, have a drink, something. People wanting things does not automatically mean they want to take things from you.

Sigh - AS A SPACE WOLF PLAYER

There is a finite resource - if we have something (extra) for our Space Wolvbes armies then others can't - like i said maybe embrace that we SW players actually got more than everyone else rather than complaining that we have not got more.

maybe you should also take that chill pill and think about others.....

Take this conversation to PM

Sigh - AS A SPACE WOLF PLAYER

There is a finite resource - if we have something (extra) for our Space Wolvbes armies then others can't - like i said maybe embrace that we SW players actually got more than everyone else rather than complaining that we have not got more.

maybe you should also take that chill pill and think about others.....

What is this finite resource you are talking about? No I'm serious. I say I would like Wolf Guard Primaris (Actually said that). What exactly have I taken away from you. Or anyone at all. You read it, so I guess I have taken a minute amount of your time. But lets face it, you have read things on here that were a bigger waste of your time. Space in the books? They are already mostly worthless filler. GW could easily put more in them for everyone. Models? I don't recall anyone expecting new models other than Ragnar and Ghaz from this book release. Maybe I'm incorrect about that part though.


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Take this conversation to PM

Apologies, will drop it.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
As no one has posted it yet:

Spoiler:

Cool pic of Ragnar

Morden's stuck in this mindset where the current edition exists in a vacuum without past editions having no influence on how we view the game. As such, Space Wolves have always been a cog in the "Imperium" army (which didn't exist rules-wise until this edition) rather than a distinct Codex.

Or I might remember all the various editions......And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others. Its also hilarious trhat someone is seriously trying to say that the Wolves are not part of the Imperium or the forces of the Imperium. Seriously read some lore.

Every time you're saying that you somehow own the army you criticize. Come on, you're not a SW player, you just hate them.

Ragnar is just weak, he will never see the table.

SpaceWolves are one of the weakest if not the weakest army in 40k and have been all 8th edition, because they are an elite melee army without reliable ways to get in to cc ( like 3d6 charge, advance and charge stratagems etc).. As others said you can have all the attacks you want but they are useless if you get blown to bits after 2-3 turns of enemy shooting...

WhiteDog wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
As no one has posted it yet:

Spoiler:

Cool pic of Ragnar

Morden's stuck in this mindset where the current edition exists in a vacuum without past editions having no influence on how we view the game. As such, Space Wolves have always been a cog in the "Imperium" army (which didn't exist rules-wise until this edition) rather than a distinct Codex.

Or I might remember all the various editions......And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others. Its also hilarious trhat someone is seriously trying to say that the Wolves are not part of the Imperium or the forces of the Imperium. Seriously read some lore.

Every time you're saying that you somehow own the army you criticize. Come on, you're not a SW player, you just hate them.

Ragnar is just weak, he will never see the table.

I own and play pretty much ALL the various armies of 40k. Do you? Anyway we were told to drop it so suggest you do that.

Ragnar - depends on points and other options in the book for SW - Ghaz is not that great when you compare to spending 1Cp and giving a Warboss 4++ and other bonuses.

 Mr Morden wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
As no one has posted it yet:

Spoiler:

Cool pic of Ragnar

Morden's stuck in this mindset where the current edition exists in a vacuum without past editions having no influence on how we view the game. As such, Space Wolves have always been a cog in the "Imperium" army (which didn't exist rules-wise until this edition) rather than a distinct Codex.

Or I might remember all the various editions......And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others. Its also hilarious trhat someone is seriously trying to say that the Wolves are not part of the Imperium or the forces of the Imperium. Seriously read some lore.

Every time you're saying that you somehow own the army you criticize. Come on, you're not a SW player, you just hate them.

Ragnar is just weak, he will never see the table.

I own and play pretty much ALL the various armies of 40k. Do you? Anyway we were told to drop it so suggest you do that.

Ragnar - depends on points and other options in the book for SW - Ghaz is not that great when you compare to spending 1Cp and giving a Warboss 4++ and other bonuses.

No I don't play all the armies, but I don't happen to bash all the armies that I dislike every day and night on every given thread and at every given occasion.
Ghaz can be "not that great", he's still way more valuable that Ragnar who feels more like a random captain.

WhiteDog wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
As no one has posted it yet:

Spoiler:

Cool pic of Ragnar

Morden's stuck in this mindset where the current edition exists in a vacuum without past editions having no influence on how we view the game. As such, Space Wolves have always been a cog in the "Imperium" army (which didn't exist rules-wise until this edition) rather than a distinct Codex.

Or I might remember all the various editions......And not obsessed with my own Space Wolf army getting everything at the expense of others. Its also hilarious trhat someone is seriously trying to say that the Wolves are not part of the Imperium or the forces of the Imperium. Seriously read some lore.

Every time you're saying that you somehow own the army you criticize. Come on, you're not a SW player, you just hate them.

Ragnar is just weak, he will never see the table.

I own and play pretty much ALL the various armies of 40k. Do you? Anyway we were told to drop it so suggest you do that.

Ragnar - depends on points and other options in the book for SW - Ghaz is not that great when you compare to spending 1Cp and giving a Warboss 4++ and other bonuses.

No I don't play all the armies, but I don't happen to bash all the armies that I dislike every day and night on every given thread and at every given occasion.
Ghaz can be "not that great", he's still way more valuable that Ragnar who feels more like a random captain.

Seriuosly we were told to drop it - but if all you can do is make petty, inorrect facts and pathetic insults put them in a PM I can ignore.

Ghaz and Rangnar can both be weak - thats not a good thing.

WhiteDog wrote:
can be "not that great", he's still way more valuable that Ragnar who feels more like a random captain.

We need to write an epic saga about this !

https://www.facebook.com/warhammer40000uk/photos/pb.1575682476085719.-2207520000../2581070305546926/?type=3&theater

Death Grip Bite.... stretching for something to call it I think.

 Mr Morden wrote:

I own and play pretty much ALL the various armies of 40k. Do you? Anyway we were told to drop it so suggest you do that.

So you can say "sigh - AS A ******** PLAYER" with every army (in uppercase), like you did with the Space Wolves a few posts ago, and think to yourself that your opinion carries a lil' more weight SeemsGood

To (hopefully) put the issue to bed, since I was the one who posted the offending comment, my point was simply this:

I don't expect GW to create any new Primaris or give my Primaris any special bling or anything and especially not at the expense of any other army. The point was for a boxed set where half of the force is Space Wolves, which have many models much "wolfier" than generic Primaris marines, I would think that GW would have chosen a more representative unit than Infiltrators. I get that they were pairing a Primaris unit with the new Primaris Ragnar. All I said was I wasn't going to buy it for $170 because it only has 1 Space Wolf in it. And that is because I can buy infiltrators any time I like. There's nothing special about the box outside of Ragnar and Ghaz, and I don't want Ghaz.

So, with that laid to rest, back on topic.

Keep in mind that we have not seen the other strats, psychic powers and relics yet. Reserve judgement for how good or bad Ragnar is going to be on the table based on everything he'll have at his disposal. I plan on fielding him.

WhiteDog wrote:

Ghaz can be "not that great", he's still way more valuable that Ragnar who feels more like a random captain.

You are evidently wrong. Ghaz looks to be over twice the cost of Ragnar and he pales in comparison.

I plan on giving Ragnar a go either way. Even if nothing else gives him any extra chance to make it into combat, the times he does he will still be a buzzsaw.