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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Good stuff. Good of GW to finally give us a Datasheet for a unit they gave us points for in December, but what is 3-4 months between friends?

Or, they could have left it out of Ministorum manual and just added it in Saga of the Beast so you would have complained about that the manual needs yet another FAQ, etc.

No? The point of CA19 is to summarise and collate all the points costs from the previous year and to apply balance changes. Why would a book released in December of 2019 have points for a book released in March of 2020? Now, if they left it out of CA20 and had to errata it in (as I suspect they will have to do for SW stuff for a 4th year running), then I feel I could rightly criticise that.

there's two solutions the first assumes we're getting a new big mek with a KFF mini, in which case it had been produced already and the ORIGINAL plan was for it to be released late last year (perhaps as a suprise kill team release) the second is they included a unit that didn't exist as a mistake and decided "feth it! we're gonna MAKE it exist"

eaither way I'd say it's a good thing

i do hope for a big mek with KFF miniature that is new and not insansly overpriced for an HQ:

what, i can dream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZtrXWskJpA

Previews are up

https://youtu.be/UZtrXWskJpA

For you space wolves fans. It's nothing crazy strong from first glance.

 deffrekka wrote:
https://youtu.be/UZtrXWskJpA

For you space wolves fans. It's nothing crazy strong from first glance.

Like Chooser of the Slain in the old Codex, whoever is writing Space Wolves rules at GW seems to forget allies exist.

As of the current wording, I wouldn't be surprised if people take a tiny Space Wolves detachment with a Morkai-Bullets Wolf Lord or something to give re-roll wounds of 1 to an AdMech or Astra Miltiarum or Sisters or Knight army or something.

Has no one reviewed the Ork’s stuff? :(

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:
https://youtu.be/UZtrXWskJpA

For you space wolves fans. It's nothing crazy strong from first glance.

Like Chooser of the Slain in the old Codex, whoever is writing Space Wolves rules at GW seems to forget allies exist.

As of the current wording, I wouldn't be surprised if people take a tiny Space Wolves detachment with a Morkai-Bullets Wolf Lord or something to give re-roll wounds of 1 to an AdMech or Astra Miltiarum or Sisters or Knight army or something.

Spoiler:

Also it does say "A" wound roll of one (reads as a single rerrollable 1), so it doesn't seem crazy even with allies. Either way, I'm sure it'll be FAQ-ed to match the intended meaning (if there was one in the first place lol) ASAP.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Has no one reviewed the Ork’s stuff? :(

Nope they are all running a bit late!

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Has no one reviewed the Ork’s stuff? :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4eirLuuzUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5skR8Gzt4Xg

here you go

 Dreamchild wrote:


Also it does say "A" wound roll of one (reads as a single rerrollable 1), so it doesn't seem crazy even with allies. Either way, I'm sure it'll be FAQ-ed to match the intended meaning (if there was one in the first place lol) ASAP.

Well, one wound roll when you make a (one) attack. You roll a second attack, you can again re-roll one wound roll of 1. Similar wording to the new Chapter Master, etc.. when you make an attack, you can re-roll the (one) hit roll. E.g. everything recently worded without fast dice.

But yeah, I expect a quick FAQ.

so the MKountain Breaker helmet is AWESOME, a helm specially designed... to head butt. LOL love it!

and Ragnar is 120 points, which is IMHO pretty good for what he brings to the table although not so good he makes a standard Primaris wolf lord instantly obselete.

I was on a waiting list but... not for one model.


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No wolves on Fenris wrote:






[img]Is it just me or is the alternate build for Ghaz much better?

I like the smoke.

Idea after seeing the new custom jobs: Sonic the Gorkanaut

Gorkanaut has an 8 inch move

Evil sunz: +1 Move, advance and charge for vehicals
Rezmekka's redder armour: +1 Move
Orkimatik Pistons: +3 to move and can reroll advances
Defkilla wartrike charge after advance aura

Gives you

13 inch move
1+1d6 rerollable advance
Rerollable charge

For a total threat range of 33 inches

Bowie wrote:
Idea after seeing the new custom jobs: Sonic the Gorkanaut

But, da red wunz go fasta...

Bowie wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Has no one reviewed the Ork’s stuff? :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4eirLuuzUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5skR8Gzt4Xg

here you go

Cheers for these. Not overly impressed myself, but that’s cos I don’t use 90% of the things that got new strats. On the other hand I’m liking the Kustom Jobs.

Sooooo much good stuff for dreads / kans / wagons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Made-To-Order Big Mek w/KFF when?

Probably will be that rumor engine pic with what looked like Blackstone in shoddy housing. I’d expect a new model

Is there a written summary? I like SEO but I can't have the volume on at work!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is there a written summary? I like SEO but I can't have the volume on at work!

Goonhammer on Space Wolves: https://www.goonhammer.com/saga-of-the-beast-review-space-wolves/

Goonhammer on Orks: https://www.goonhammer.com/saga-of-the-beast-review-orks/

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is there a written summary? I like SEO but I can't have the volume on at work!

Goonhammer on Space Wolves: https://www.goonhammer.com/saga-of-the-beast-review-space-wolves/

Goonhammer on Orks: https://www.goonhammer.com/saga-of-the-beast-review-orks/

Space Wolves got a couple of neat things but are still behind the Vanilla codex. So about what I expected. Orks have a worse Kulture creator, also as expected. I like the Battlewagon Kustom Job though as that's great for a bunch of Flash Gitz on board.

The Battlewagon was the 20 cap Transport, right?

Seems like the new rules are pretty lacklustre overall, and some of the new Ork stuff comes with an 80 point terrain tax added on (can't wait for the Knight book to require a Sacristan Forgeshrine before you can access their new rules).

Yeah. The most useful stuff by far is Space Wolves getting Doctrines, the standard Chaplain Litanies and a few generic Marine strats like Transhuman Physiology, which they literally could've done in September with a small note saying ... DA/BA/Wolves/Deathwatch, etc.. just get these, similar to how they did it for FW entries.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Yeah. The most useful stuff by far is Space Wolves getting Doctrines, the standard Chaplain Litanies and a few generic Marine strats like Transhuman Physiology, which they literally could've done in September with a small note saying ... DA/BA/Wolves/Deathwatch, etc.. just get these, similar to how they did it for FW entries.

Their special Bolt Ammo thing might be of use, depending on if the rerolls apply to just Space Wolves or anything in your army.

This is a lot of salt - but the fact Ragnar is 120 points, while Ghaz is 285, sort of sums up the problems with current 40k's design choices.

Kustom Jobs seem good and probably mandatory if you are taking vehicles. The fact you can take them all is nice - the fact you probably will see the same on every vehicle on every table less so.

I don't know - I just come away from this (and PA in general) thinking the writers had no over all design philosophy for the game and no idea that abilities/stratagems/subkultures etc should vaguely be balanced against each other. Instead its just "here's a pile of random stuff, some good, some bad, we don't know, if its too good we'll nerf it later I guess, if its crap, who cares?"

Tyel wrote:
This is a lot of salt - but the fact Ragnar is 120 points, while Ghaz is 285, sort of sums up the problems with current 40k's design choices.

Kustom Jobs seem good and probably mandatory if you are taking vehicles. The fact you can take them all is nice - the fact you probably will see the same on every vehicle on every table less so.

I don't know - I just come away from this (and PA in general) thinking the writers had no over all design philosophy for the game and no idea that abilities/stratagems/subkultures etc should vaguely be balanced against each other. Instead its just "here's a pile of random stuff, some good, some bad, we don't know, if its too good we'll nerf it later I guess, if its crap, who cares?"

Probably.

But Ghaz only 5 points more than the Yncarne is pretty insane for all the rules and goodness he gets.

I'd take the Yncarne over Thrakka any day.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like the new rules are pretty lacklustre overall, and some of the new Ork stuff comes with an 80 point terrain tax added on (can't wait for the Knight book to require a Sacristan Forgeshrine before you can access their new rules).

The linked article appears to think they are much betetr than that.

The question on the tip of every Space Wolves player’s tongue will be “Do these make the faction good?” and the answer is, “yes, but not like, Iron Hands good.” Which, depending on what you were hoping for, may be a disappointment. But overall, these changes combine to bring Space Wolves into the modern era and turn them into an army that appears to be competitive while not being dominant.

time will tell.

They also are running counter to the Ragnars awful theme:

Ragnar is a melee monster, and his new Primaris stature means that he also has access to Gene-Wrought Might. It’s not without downsides, though: Ragnar can no longer travel in standard transports, meaning that if you want him to keep up with your other melee units, you’ll need to put him in an Impulsor (you could also outflank him using the Cunning of the Wolf Stratagem, but this is probably a worse play most of the time). Fortunately, this meshes just fine with what a lot of Space Wolves armies were already doing and he’ll work very well with units of Veteran Intercessors. With his new statline and some of the other possible buffs out there, Ragnar’s got a very strong claim on being the strongest melee INFANTRY character in 40k.

They also are running counter to the Ragnars awful theme:

what aweful theme is that? I'm not seeing any "aweful" theme

one thing annoying is the lack of an updated sheet for Urik the slayer, hopefully they'll errata that quick

BrianDavion wrote:

They also are running counter to the Ragnars awful theme:

what aweful theme is that? I'm not seeing any "aweful" theme

one thing annoying is the lack of an updated sheet for Urik the slayer, hopefully they'll errata that quick

Various people were bemoning and proclaiming he DOA - a bit like Ghaz.

You would hope they would - also sounds like they need one for the Morkai’s Teeth Bolts to stop IG artillery and the like getting the re-rolls

So Ragnar is less than half the points of Ghaz. That must mean that he is less than half as good, right?

Right?