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 Trickstick wrote:
60pt twin punisher. The vulture was already a bit outclassed by the punisher russ. Now we have both PA buffs for russes and a 20pt price hike on the vulture. I'm beginning to think GW doesn't actually want people using FW units anymore, they keep getting either neglected, badly rewritten, or nerfed.

I guess it is just removing an overlooked discount but it still annoys me. The russ gets to shoot twice so having the same cost seems weird.

Unless it's a fw model with "primaris " in the description. See: astreus.

 Trickstick wrote:
60pt twin punisher. The vulture was already a bit outclassed by the punisher russ. Now we have both PA buffs for russes and a 20pt price hike on the vulture. I'm beginning to think GW doesn't actually want people using FW units anymore, they keep getting either neglected, badly rewritten, or nerfed.

I guess it is just removing an overlooked discount but it still annoys me. The russ gets to shoot twice so having the same cost seems weird.

Well duh no kidding. 100£ spent on FW models gives less profit than 100£ spent on GW plastic. Plastic is automated cast. Put in mould, press button and wait as sprues pop out. FW resin is much more manual labour intensive.

If they could get collectors to buy multiples of something like gamers rather than little bit of this and that they wouldn't bother with FW at all. But to get maximum from collectors you need to offer more units to sell rather than sell same stuff over and over

At least the tyranical reign of Ogryns dominating the competetive meta has finally been brought to an end.

tneva82 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
60pt twin punisher. The vulture was already a bit outclassed by the punisher russ. Now we have both PA buffs for russes and a 20pt price hike on the vulture. I'm beginning to think GW doesn't actually want people using FW units anymore, they keep getting either neglected, badly rewritten, or nerfed.

I guess it is just removing an overlooked discount but it still annoys me. The russ gets to shoot twice so having the same cost seems weird.

Well duh no kidding. 100£ spent on FW models gives less profit than 100£ spent on GW plastic. Plastic is automated cast. Put in mould, press button and wait as sprues pop out. FW resin is much more manual labour intensive.

If they could get collectors to buy multiples of something like gamers rather than little bit of this and that they wouldn't bother with FW at all. But to get maximum from collectors you need to offer more units to sell rather than sell same stuff over and over

And I thought broken records stopped being a problem after we got eight tracks.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
At least the tyranical reign of Ogryns dominating the competetive meta has finally been brought to an end.

I don't know, man, they'll still be staples in every IG list.

 Trickstick wrote:
60pt twin punisher. The vulture was already a bit outclassed by the punisher russ. Now we have both PA buffs for russes and a 20pt price hike on the vulture. I'm beginning to think GW doesn't actually want people using FW units anymore, they keep getting either neglected, badly rewritten, or nerfed.

I guess it is just removing an overlooked discount but it still annoys me. The russ gets to shoot twice so having the same cost seems weird.

PGC is like 13 HB shots - so 35-ish points of HB. The TPGC should maybe be 5 or 10 cheaper for the twin-link discount like TLC, but it will never be a budget weapon that suddenly makes Vultures OP.

That said OotF can get them reroll 1s from cover and there's also the ability to pin units now.

Double shoot is just a bonus of the LRBT.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
60pt twin punisher. The vulture was already a bit outclassed by the punisher russ. Now we have both PA buffs for russes and a 20pt price hike on the vulture. I'm beginning to think GW doesn't actually want people using FW units anymore, they keep getting either neglected, badly rewritten, or nerfed.

I guess it is just removing an overlooked discount but it still annoys me. The russ gets to shoot twice so having the same cost seems weird.

Well duh no kidding. 100£ spent on FW models gives less profit than 100£ spent on GW plastic. Plastic is automated cast. Put in mould, press button and wait as sprues pop out. FW resin is much more manual labour intensive.

If they could get collectors to buy multiples of something like gamers rather than little bit of this and that they wouldn't bother with FW at all. But to get maximum from collectors you need to offer more units to sell rather than sell same stuff over and over

And I thought broken records stopped being a problem after we got eight tracks.

That dastardly separate company FW, who are in so much competition with GW that you have to walk through GW's flagship store, at their flagship location to get to the FW store!

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 Grimtuff wrote:
That dastardly separate company FW, who are in so much competition with GW that you have to walk through GW's flagship store, at their flagship location to get to the FW store!

Oh Emperor, a RAW comment and a FW legality comment next to each other. Please stop, I don't think the fabric of the universe can take the strain!

The bigger question is what did they forget/mess up in the errata of the errata

 Trickstick wrote:



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 Grimtuff wrote:
That dastardly separate company FW, who are in so much competition with GW that you have to walk through GW's flagship store, at their flagship location to get to the FW store!

Oh Emperor, a RAW comment and a FW legality comment next to each other. Please stop, I don't think the fabric of the universe can take the strain!

The Gate opens!

 Trickstick wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
That dastardly separate company FW, who are in so much competition with GW that you have to walk through GW's flagship store, at their flagship location to get to the FW store!

Oh Emperor, a RAW comment and a FW legality comment next to each other. Please stop, I don't think the fabric of the universe can take the strain!

Don't trip and fall into the sar chasm...

Gadzilla666 wrote:

The Gate opens!

And the fact that real law doesn't work that way, either. But I guess reality itself is trumped by the edict of GW?

I find it incredible that anyone could post all that straight-faced. It beggars belief. I... no, I've got nothing that wouldn't get flagged. Just... wow.

the_scotsman wrote:
Wow, RIP, I guess it was just too powerful for Thousand Sons to have 2 different cults, take their relic from one and their warlord trait from the other.

I get it, I get it, can't let these uppity NPC armies have too many options. Why that's nearly 1/3 of the number of relics any given space marine chapter would have access to!

Ok I just re-read the FAQ and I see what you're saying. I read it differently previously, sorry. That really sucks the life out of relics.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Wow, RIP, I guess it was just too powerful for Thousand Sons to have 2 different cults, take their relic from one and their warlord trait from the other.

I get it, I get it, can't let these uppity NPC armies have too many options. Why that's nearly 1/3 of the number of relics any given space marine chapter would have access to!

Ok I just re-read the FAQ and I see what you're saying. I read it differently previously, sorry. That really sucks the life out of relics.

Gw: "Ok ok. You can have a gun too. What do you mean where's the bullets?"

Let's just hope they tone down the SM traits in the April FAQ to match the power level of the PA stuff.

OOF, a 20 point increase to the Twin Punisher Vulture.

Ok, i have to admit that i was expecting... well, more.

Wayniac wrote:
The bigger question is what did they forget/mess up in the errata of the errata

Bonesinger for one. Costs 70pts and is a HQ in legends but in CA19 its 50ts and it used to be an elites choice.
Many eldar players that like the unit and like fluffy wraith lists are peeved. I've been running him as elite at 50 pts..

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I find it incredible that anyone could post all that straight-faced. It beggars belief. I... no, I've got nothing that wouldn't get flagged. Just... wow.

As I stated in the locked thread: It's absurdism versus rationalism

SW fast attack was fixed, the Landspeeder dropped 30pts, skyclaws and swiftclaws have their proper unit count but cost the same. I was hoping for a TWC points drop, O well.

Spoletta wrote:
Ok, i have to admit that i was expecting... well, more.

Two months.

My add hoc list literally done in1 hour had more accuracy in it comparatively to a multimillion Dollar company.


......


Someone please go and slap some sense into them...

 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.

I'm convinced that the Ogryn price is a victim of a copypasta from the Guard Codex.

In fact, looking at the Guard Codex, CA2018 and CA2019 side by side, I'd bet good money that the person who wrote CA2019 didn't even know about the change to Ogryns in CA2018.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Ok, i have to admit that i was expecting... well, more.

Two months.

My add hoc list literally done in1 hour had more accuracy in it comparatively to a multimillion Dollar company.


......


Someone please go and slap some sense into them...

Seriously what the feth took so long? They only changed the obvious typos everyone saw immediately. How does that take so long?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.

I'm convinced that the Ogryn price is a victim of a copypasta from the Guard Codex.

In fact, looking at the Guard Codex, CA2018 and CA2019 side by side, I'd bet good money that the person who wrote CA2019 didn't even know about the change to Ogryns in CA2018.

Yup preetty much, i'd even go sofar as to state he probably didn't even use ca 18 as a baseline.

Or even look at fw beyond the few models they ever saw played.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Or even look at fw beyond the few models they ever saw played.

Na it's fine when whole factions just don't show up despute having rules.

Perfectly


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No Print more sm supplements for that Sweets $$$$$$

(Probably at the hq)

 Argive wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
The bigger question is what did they forget/mess up in the errata of the errata

Bonesinger for one. Costs 70pts and is a HQ in legends but in CA19 its 50ts and it used to be an elites choice.
Many eldar players that like the unit and like fluffy wraith lists are peeved. I've been running him as elite at 50 pts..

I also suspect the Genestealer Cult Lascannon price is wrong. They've updated all AM hardware in the GSC codex to the actual AM costs, but the lascannon remained unchanged at the previous value (5 points more).

It's not the first CA where the shared gear on the AM side has cost reductions and GSC has to wait 12 months before it's synced again.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Ok, i have to admit that i was expecting... well, more.

Two months.

My add hoc list literally done in1 hour had more accuracy in it comparatively to a multimillion Dollar company.


......


Someone please go and slap some sense into them...

Seriously what the feth took so long? They only changed the obvious typos everyone saw immediately. How does that take so long?

My guess is they just forgot they didn't put it out and rushed to do as quick a job as possible.

So in other words, business as usual for GW; do the bare minimum and act like you're doing a great service. And oh be sure to check out the newest models and buy them. Maybe the rules will be good.