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I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/28/aeldari-tactica-the-art-of-combatgw-homepage-post-3/

This is so cringe...
I get they are trying to hype the models up but this is ohh soooo cringe...

Essentialy what they are saying is: We know its a 1W T3 model with a 4+ save and we are going to charge you a disgusting amount of money for tomorrow.... Compared to say a box of primaris marines...

BUUUT its really good at killing other T3 1W models in melee! Isn't that great? Isn't this an amazing unit...!!! It can do specifically one thing just about maybe... Now you can kill those elite T3 1 W models that are ruining your day... (Because the same units you'd take to shoot the orc boys we talk about later couldn't possibly be used to kill these elite T3 1w enemy units...)

I mean what exactly scary T3 1 W models am I supposed to be concerned about that I need to bring banshees for? lol...
At least make it useful and suggest tagging large shooty things or something..

And let's not forget those amazing startegems we gave you in PA1..... ohh wait....

Ok Rant/Vent done.

Sisters. They're pretty well built for tackling sisters of battle.

I mean, it's not like your other stuff couldn't also deal with sisters and at greater range, resulting in better safety, but...
Maybe next edition. Probably not, but maybe.

The game is built for intercessors. Restartes rule.

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/28/aeldari-tactica-the-art-of-combatgw-homepage-post-3/

This is so cringe...
I get they are trying to hype the models up but this is ohh soooo cringe...

Essentialy what they are saying is: We know its a 1W T3 model with a 4+ save and we are going to charge you a disgusting amount of money for tomorrow.... Compared to say a box of primaris marines...

BUUUT its really good at killing other T3 1W models in melee! Isn't that great? Isn't this an amazing unit...!!! It can do specifically one thing just about maybe... Now you can kill those elite T3 1 W models that are ruining your day... (Because the same units you'd take to shoot the orc boys we talk about later couldn't possibly be used to kill these elite T3 1w enemy units...)

I mean what exactly scary T3 1 W models am I supposed to be concerned about that I need to bring banshees for? lol...
At least make it useful and suggest tagging large shooty things or something..

And let's not forget those amazing startegems we gave you in PA1..... ohh wait....

Ok Rant/Vent done.

At least it's legal for Banshees to charge after they DS/get out of a Wave Serpent, unlike the brilliant tactic GW suggested of making an illegal with Nobz (which were terrible) charge after disembarking from a Gorkanaut (which was curiously also terrible) that was not an assault vehicle last edition. Banshees aren't really for killing, on a S3 2A model a power sword little better than a chainsword and 2A is nowhere near enough to seriously threaten Marines.

I think the key to being able to combat the heavier infantry around would have been well-balanced Shrine abilities and worthwhile Exarch weapon upgrades. Paying 1CP for +1 attack on a unit champion when Astra Militarum get serpent shields on a tank commander for 1 CP with tank aces is pretty insane. A +1 S unit-wide would have been really cool if you wanted to use them in an anti-firstborn way and making the bonus attack power more worthwhile along with a fairly priced executioner would mean you could tangle with Primaris. Correct me if I'm wrong but the two best powers are War Shout and Graceful Avoidance, whether you take one or both that just tells me that the unit is going to run in without taking overwatch and bad touch shooting units while being difficult to kill by those units and a little hard to remove with a weak counter-charge. Where is the "lethal swordmaster" power? It's in Piercing Strike which doesn't appear to actually increase damage against anything but T5-7 vehicles/monsters and not by enough to matter (7 rounds of combat to destroy a Rhino) and Whirling Blades which I already mentioned is blatantly unfair in how little it does. Where is the fight twice +1 S upgrade like WE Terminators get for 2CP? You can put that on a character with a relic and a WL trait creating an absolute butcher or on a unit of 10 Terminators (300+ pts). It's a blatantly OP stratagem which was needed to make up for the lack of another blatantly OP Stratagem with Endless Cacophony which is half the power budget of Chaos Terminators currently. Executioner is already very cheap if you want to give a stab at trying to kill something, I think maybe power swords should just be 1 pt/A. Mirrorswords 4 pts and AP-3 and Executioner 8-10 pts assuming you had better aspect powers.

I don't know if it's because of the custom Craftworlds which you can engineer to be much more effective for melee Aspects than any of the original Craftworlds that GW decided to hold back on Banshee aspect powers. You shouldn't have to bring Howling Banshees from an allied Craftworld to bring out half their offensive power and even with that you can't really make Howling Banshees kick real ass because they don't get worthwhile melee buffs from any of their aspect powers.

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

So its not for anyone who plays 40k regularly. Gotcha!
People who don't play regularly will buy all the banshees after this article im sure..

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

This could be considered misleading advertisement though. Lying to the guillible to get them buy units based on bad advise.

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

I would suggest that an understanding of the current meta isn't even required.

It's a shill article for new players because they've likely seen the backlash of expecting people to pay the same price for 5 Banshees that people pay for 10 Primaris Marines and are trying to counter.

It's very obvious and reeks of greed.

I could of written their article in a few sentences;
Banshees can act as a T1 roadblock unit if you invest a few psychic powers into them. They will kill nothing/little but keeping the opponent in their deployment zone is oftentimes worth it. If you go second they are an easy kill, keep them out of LOS or expect them to die.

Wait, are we now getting upset that a mini company is advertising it's minis? How do you guys make it through an ordinary day without being triggered?

Yeah. Bait and swiich or plain bait ... which form of marketing do you orefer

The Incubi Stratagem is nice, but what they really need is some more reliable means of getting into close combat; something like the ability to charge after disembarking.

Imagine how soul-destroying it must be that intern who has to come up with this garbage.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

I would suggest that an understanding of the current meta isn't even required.

It's a shill article for new players because they've likely seen the backlash of expecting people to pay the same price for 5 Banshees that people pay for 10 Primaris Marines and are trying to counter.

It's very obvious and reeks of greed.

I could of written their article in a few sentences;
Banshees can act as a T1 roadblock unit if you invest a few psychic powers into them. They will kill nothing/little but keeping the opponent in their deployment zone is oftentimes worth it. If you go second they are an easy kill, keep them out of LOS or expect them to die.

dude, everytime GW puts out a new unit or new rules for the unit they write an article like this, and just like this article, most aren't really very good at proper tactics. it's not some anti-xenos conspiracy. we see it with marine stuff too

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Imagine how soul-destroying it must be that intern who has to come up with this garbage.

You mean the Same lntern that was forces to write ca , without the files of previous ca's it seems?

Rip him/her / whatever he has my condolences.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

I would suggest that an understanding of the current meta isn't even required.

It's a shill article for new players because they've likely seen the backlash of expecting people to pay the same price for 5 Banshees that people pay for 10 Primaris Marines and are trying to counter.

It's very obvious and reeks of greed.

I could of written their article in a few sentences;
Banshees can act as a T1 roadblock unit if you invest a few psychic powers into them. They will kill nothing/little but keeping the opponent in their deployment zone is oftentimes worth it. If you go second they are an easy kill, keep them out of LOS or expect them to die.

Ok genius, now go write an article that SELLS me (pretend I'm a new player) a unit of Banshees.
You've got exactly the same word-count GW used in their article, you're not allowed to say anything untrue about them, and you cannot focus on whatever their negatives are.

 jeff white wrote:
Yeah. Bait and swiich or plain bait ... which form of marketing do you orefer

unless bait and switch means something very very differantly in Netherlands from what it means in the rest of the world this isn't bait and switch.

ccs wrote:
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Ok genius, now go write an article that SELLS me (pretend I'm a new player) a unit of Banshees.
You've got exactly the same word-count GW used in their article, you're not allowed to say anything untrue about them, and you cannot focus on whatever their negatives are.

That is a really good point. Also, by claiming skill is needed to operate them, they cover their arses from people coming back saying they suck.

The problem with banshees are primaris, from where I stand. Against guard GEQ stuff they might perform OK and have a role.

It really pains me seeing freaking elite units become some sort of disaposable tarpit.

In a primaris marine meta, I really dont see a role for them.

Also, every other melee focused force I see is some combination of smash captains and jump pack chargers. Walking seems to be for noobs and underpowered armies.

ccs wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

I would suggest that an understanding of the current meta isn't even required.

It's a shill article for new players because they've likely seen the backlash of expecting people to pay the same price for 5 Banshees that people pay for 10 Primaris Marines and are trying to counter.

It's very obvious and reeks of greed.

I could of written their article in a few sentences;
Banshees can act as a T1 roadblock unit if you invest a few psychic powers into them. They will kill nothing/little but keeping the opponent in their deployment zone is oftentimes worth it. If you go second they are an easy kill, keep them out of LOS or expect them to die.

Ok genius, now go write an article that SELLS me (pretend I'm a new player) a unit of Banshees.
You've got exactly the same word-count GW used in their article, you're not allowed to say anything untrue about them, and you cannot focus on whatever their negatives are.

Its easy, write the same thing, but make better rules that actually makes sense.

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

But then the article is devious in nature. Some noob is going to buy them, because the article tells him the unit is good, they spend a lot of money on them, and then while playing they find out the unit sucks, and GW has no not working return policy.

To be fair, if any new release needed extra PR, it's this one. They realize perhaps this price point is way too intense for most people so why not try and snare the innocent by releasing such an article ?

This is the same company that tried to peddle a new, mini hard back rule book that was a literal reprint of the already kinda useless core rule book to sell it at premium price and wouldn't say it had no updates to it.

They are snake oil salesmen and you should read any of their drivel shill articles as the most flagrant trash it is.

Though I do kind of wonder how many really new players follow those articles over the more hardcore.

I expect them to rewrite rules for eldars when they relaunch them for 9th. At some point they will take a break from primaris and eldars seem popular enough to merit new sculpts.

Then, elite eldars will be ported properly to the new types of rules and all will be well until the next round of power creep.

I really wish someone would take rules from the greedy hands of the marketing folks; all of this is so cringe worthy.

ccs wrote:

Ok genius, now go write an article that SELLS me (pretend I'm a new player) a unit of Banshees.
You've got exactly the same word-count GW used in their article, you're not allowed to say anything untrue about them, and you cannot focus on whatever their negatives are.

Indeed. It's such a shame GW has absolutely no control over the units they write the rules for, otherwise they could just give Banshees and Incubi good rules that would make them worth buying, rather than having to scam naive players into wasting money on them.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
To be fair, if any new release needed extra PR, it's this one. They realize perhaps this price point is way too intense for most people so why not try and snare the innocent by releasing such an article ?

This is the same company that tried to peddle a new, mini hard back rule book that was a literal reprint of the already kinda useless core rule book to sell it at premium price and wouldn't say it had no updates to it.

They are snake oil salesmen and you should read any of their drivel shill articles as the most flagrant trash it is.

Though I do kind of wonder how many really new players follow those articles over the more hardcore.

Well it is not like they don't do it all the time. They knew that the centurion bomb exists in first or second week of RG codex being live, writing a FAQ that it does not work on centurions would take them 10 min, and puting in on the site max a day. yet they waited for a few months, and through a few fest so people buy them , only to nerf them later.

 Argive wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

So its not for anyone who plays 40k regularly. Gotcha!
People who don't play regularly will buy all the banshees after this article im sure..

Or maybe its for people who like banshees and will use them despite them not being great because its fun/themeatic. You know, like how most people who play 40k play the game?

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Argive wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

So its not for anyone who plays 40k regularly. Gotcha!
People who don't play regularly will buy all the banshees after this article im sure..

Or maybe its for people who like banshees and will use them despite them not being great because its fun/themeatic. You know, like how most people who play 40k play the game?

I am honest, i bought models just because i like them and not because they perform on the table. However, at that pricetag they need all the help to shift them...

Heck 10 banshes cost more then the significantly larger (and more usefull) CSM starterbox. and that box has some options in there that are neither regarded as good nor has it a style that all people like.

The only unit worse prehaps are the new Primaris snipers, and they atleast cost enough points to fill up a list.
(not mentioning the insanity that is mekgunz, because at this stage we all have seen more kitbashed propper orky ones then the regular bought ones.)

 Brutallica wrote:

ccs wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I'm just going to vent a bit here because I read this and quite frankly I wish they didn't bother trying to write this shpiel as its just insulting to anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta...

Have you considered that "anyone who understands how to play 40k and understands the current rules and meta..." ... isn't the target audience this was written for?

I would suggest that an understanding of the current meta isn't even required.

It's a shill article for new players because they've likely seen the backlash of expecting people to pay the same price for 5 Banshees that people pay for 10 Primaris Marines and are trying to counter.

It's very obvious and reeks of greed.

I could of written their article in a few sentences;
Banshees can act as a T1 roadblock unit if you invest a few psychic powers into them. They will kill nothing/little but keeping the opponent in their deployment zone is oftentimes worth it. If you go second they are an easy kill, keep them out of LOS or expect them to die.

Ok genius, now go write an article that SELLS me (pretend I'm a new player) a unit of Banshees.
You've got exactly the same word-count GW used in their article, you're not allowed to say anything untrue about them, and you cannot focus on whatever their negatives are.

Its easy, write the same thing, but make better rules that actually makes sense.

Sorry thats not your job, you're PR not the rules team, your job is to sell the unit the rules team wrote, not sell what you think it should be.

 Sim-Life wrote:


Or maybe its for people who like banshees and will use them despite them not being great because its fun/themeatic. You know, like how most people who play 40k play the game?

Why would people that like banshees no matter what, require an article to convince them to do it? It would be like making a special mini vodka advertisment targeting alcoholics.

And if the focus was for painters or peoples that like to remodel stuff, then there wasn't much focus put on either of those options.


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I am honest, i bought models just because i like them and not because they perform on the table. However, at that pricetag they need all the help to shift them...

Heck 10 banshes cost more then the significantly larger (and more usefull) CSM starterbox. and that box has some options in there that are neither regarded as good nor has it a style that all people like.

The only unit worse prehaps are the new Primaris snipers, and they atleast cost enough points to fill up a list.
(not mentioning the insanity that is mekgunz, because at this stage we all have seen more kitbashed propper orky ones then the regular bought ones.)

where I live everyone just bought a unit of eliminators, 2 boxs of ETB reavers and build 9 eliminators out of those. Banshees don't even have that.

Banshees are very useful in certain builds but like a lot of eldar units it's best used in combination with other units and or buffs.
Being able to shut down overwatch to allow harder hitting units like wraith blades and spears to go in unharmed is very good, for example.

In which builds are they useful?

Karol wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:


Or maybe its for people who like banshees and will use them despite them not being great because its fun/themeatic. You know, like how most people who play 40k play the game?

Why would people that like banshees no matter what, require an article to convince them to do it? It would be like making a special mini vodka advertisment targeting alcoholics.

And if the focus was for painters or peoples that like to remodel stuff, then there wasn't much focus put on either of those options.

Why does coca cola put up ads when its the most popular soft drink in the world? Thats how advertising works.

I swear its like people forget GW is an international business and expect them to operate like an FLGS.