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 lord_blackfang wrote:
A couple of the new designs need to go back to the drawing board tho, especially the Evil Rhinoceros.

agree
while the idea of having an overtaken/mutated alien beast as super-heavy for the Plague, just having a large Rhino is a little boring
I guess the FF vehicle should be some kind of large mining laser but does not really bring that home maybe just with switching cockpit and gun around and put the cockpit on top

and saying it again, the vehicle need bases

I'll consider pledging if and when Veer-myn come available, but 250k quid is looking like a high bar to pass based on where the campaign is currently sitting. I suppose we'll get a better picture of the likelihood of additional later today after its had some more time to marinate and get the marketing out to interested parties.

...

Is what I typed out before I actually looked at the kickstarter page and saw the insane level of value. I might just pledge captain for some enforcers and/or asterians anyway.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How sad for Dropzone that it's been holding the Epic scale sci-fi torch alone for like 15 years and usually doesn't even get remembered in Epic scale topics.

Thats what happens when a game/IP is so poorly mismanaged that its own fans forget about it.

They're also at 85k already. I think they can get to 250k pretty easily....

And it's Mantic, I'm sure we'll get armies 5-8 through this somehow.

At 35GBP a box for a 2000 point army...

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'll consider pledging if and when Veer-myn come available, but 250k quid is looking like a high bar to pass based on where the campaign is currently sitting. I suppose we'll get a better picture of the likelihood of additional later today after its had some more time to marinate and get the marketing out to interested parties.

Smells to me like the funding goal was significantly artificially deflated if 30k funds 4 factions and then they need another 220k for the fifth But oh well, crowdfunding psychology and all that. I guess it's good buzz to pretend it was "funded in one hour"

Or they've already done the work on the first four...

they already said that the original plan was to release a game with 2 factions and a plastic starter box
so for that they would not have needed funding

while the 250k really looks like the upfront cost needed for design and tooling to be done without needing another KS to get the money to finish the previous one
and I guess more about to get enough people interested to make it worth doing

mattl wrote:Agreed. I've been waiting a very long time to really play Warpath... I had some of the first copies of the original Warpath back when it was very much KoW-in-space...

I have a copy of Firefight I need to put together still, alongside some Kings of War armies and a copy of Deadzone.

Hoping some local players show up for Epic Warpath.

.Mikes. wrote:

 mattl wrote:
I had some of the first copies of the original Warpath back when it was very much KoW-in-space...
Warpath.

*cue Sarah McLachlan music*

I really enjoyed the 1st version of Warpath. It was my Go-To game for occasional Apocalypse size battles. Nice and streamlined and the 4 lists they released were enough to cover most sci-fi forces. We even adapted it for Titans.
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/?s=%22warpath%22

mattl wrote:Captain for me too... that they're selling extra plastic armies with 200~ models (including vehicles) for 35 GBP is amazing. Roughly double what GW is selling for LI.

Fully funded in 26 mins.

Still waffling over the rules, but I'm certainly in for one of the Core army boxes. If nothing else, I could use a bunch of 10mm infantry and APC's and at that price it's irresistable.

 mattl wrote:
They're also at 85k already. I think they can get to 250k pretty easily....

And it's Mantic, I'm sure we'll get armies 5-8 through this somehow.

At 35GBP a box for a 2000 point army...

If you know kickstarter, you know that funding curves are non-linear. On average you see about 2/3rds of the total funding on the first day and the last day (and even then, "day" is generous - you're often talking about a period of a handful of hours in reality). Based on where it currently sits, 250k is actually not so easy. Its not off the table, but its far from guaranteed.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'll consider pledging if and when Veer-myn come available, but 250k quid is looking like a high bar to pass based on where the campaign is currently sitting. I suppose we'll get a better picture of the likelihood of additional later today after its had some more time to marinate and get the marketing out to interested parties.

Smells to me like the funding goal was significantly artificially deflated if 30k funds 4 factions and then they need another 220k for the fifth But oh well, crowdfunding psychology and all that. I guess it's good buzz to pretend it was "funded in one hour"

This is the way with kickstarter. Most major publishers using kickstarter intentionally set the funding total at around 1/2 to 1/5th of the actual funding total required, as a project that quickly funds will get more pledges from psychological "momentum" associated with it funding, whereas projects that fund slowly are quickly perceived as "questionable" by potential backers and they are more likely to hit "follow" than they are "pledge now". For the most part this means that they hit their desired total pretty handily, but every once in a while you'll encounter a project that is fully funded but inexplicably gets canceled by its creator - this is why. Because they hit their stated funding goal, but in actuality they need some amount $x more in order to actual raise the funds needed without a bank loan, etc.

Getting big Jayce and the Wheeled Warrior vibes from the FF superheavy. I reckon they might be my choice.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Getting big Jayce and the Wheeled Warrior vibes from the FF superheavy. I reckon they might be my choice.

Evokes the silhouette of the old Squat Cyclops a bit (albeit more industrial and with the FF signature segmented sloping armour thing going on). Honestly kind of glad I held off on LI at this point as this seems like it will be easier to get my group in to with the larger faction variety and better price point.

Definitely grabbing FF's... on the fence as to whether I also want to grab Enforcers, because I am a sucker for hovertanks.

Just shy of 100k GBP now. I think if they could do a better job of communicating how add-ons are supposed to work that could help.

Is there some confusion? Seems pretty clear to me.

This look snice enough, but the battlefield photo in the KS really needs a couple of big, centrepiece models.

They show sketches for 'super heavy' models, but no indication of just how big they actually are.

Agree, it would be nice to see even a 3D test print of one of them....

I'll hold for possible renders, or even 3d prints of the superheavies before deciding to join, or not. The STL option is my prefered to go option nowadays to avoid shipping, and customs fees.

M.

I like Mantic sci fi terrain. Looking forward to their upcoming video featuring some of the KS 10mm buildings and such.

Andy from Mantic is on the latest Counter Charge Podcast and towards the latter half they talk quite a bit about the Epic Warpath Kickstarter campaign. It is certainly worth a listen, especially for the more cynically minded.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Getting big Jayce and the Wheeled Warrior vibes from the FF superheavy. I reckon they might be my choice.

Yes definitely! I like the aesthetic of the vehicles generally, the Plague buggy things are really cute too.

I'm also currently looking at Enforcer and Forge Fathers Core and Expansion plus the Enforcer and Asterian superheavy. A 2/2/2 bundle would be just right.

Maybe the terrain too, I do like the angled pieces troublemaker studios did.

Despite really only wanting a copy of the rules and tokens, I've decided to go in at the Sergeant level.

Mantic tends to write solid rules, and I'm curious how they'll write for "epic".

Looking forward to seeing the veer-myn, I'm optimistic we'll get there. I hope they've got some renders and stuff to show off or it'll be a bit of a damp squib though.

They have now hit 1000 backers, update today with the cool Avatar-like Walker things.

And they have already shown more artwork (and it is in colour!) than was used in the entire Legions rulebook, congrats

so about 1000 backers and 50% of the stretchgoal in the first 24 hours

the Mantic KS are somewhere around 1-1,5k at on the lower end, and if predictions of getting the same cash in the first and last days it looks to be achievable

A big stumbling block for them achieving the veer-myn stretch goal will be the apparent lack of things to milk existing backers for as add-ons. Theres no stretch goals between funding and the 250k veer-myn expansion, everything that an existing backer would want to pledge for is available on day 1. That means theres no incentive for existing backers to increase their pledge as the campaign progresses and extend their level of investment, which is how most campaigns actually achieve growth - by using stretch goals to unlock add-ons that drive more growth to unlock further stretch goals.

Yeah sure, they have their day x previews for the reinforcement boxes, but for the most part you can tell what they are from the silhouettes, even as someone that has minimal interest and knowledge of warpath it didn't take much for me to figure out whats what for ~80% of the hidden previews. Thats not going to be a significant driver of pledge growth.

They could easily have held back a few bits as stretch goals, i.e. we hit 60k so wow, now your grav-tanks get turrets! 3 in every set! But tbh I think people are wise to that crap now

I've tried to pitch a few obvious vanity add-ons, such as Acrylic Order Tokens, etc... which would go a nice way towards bumping funding. That said, there is something refreshing about an actual, truthful campaign without fake value coming from largely preordained stretch-goals.

I just wish this had a viral breakout level of success, as one of those $3million+ Kickstarters would really speak to a good sized playerbase on Day One. As it stands, I will legit have to paint up my four armies and get straight to running demos. :-p

And man... stls are calling me. I already know I will want 2x Reinforcements per army. For example, we now know you get two "units" of Walkers, in an Enforcer Reinforcement box. If I love a unit and want to run 4x, that's already a second box right there...

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:


I just wish this had a viral breakout level of success, as one of those $3million+ Kickstarters would really speak to a good sized playerbase on Day One. As it stands, I will legit have to paint up my four armies and get straight to running demos. :-p

To be fair, I have always had to do this for anything that isn't 40k Such is the fate for all of us that have tasted fine wargames, and then know the frustration of people not knowing about them

On the other point, I think they did say they wanted this to be a 'genuine' KS or the type the format was intended for, rather than one with fake stretch goals and "OMG look what we found down the back of the sofa, which we had in no way planned before!" And then they wheel out a stunning studio of an Angel Giraldez-painted mini and photos of the box.

If you can print, obviously pick STLs.

Finally an easy to follow guide on how to add extras to your pledge.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manticgames/warpath-the-game-of-epic-scale-sci-fi-warfare/posts/4029775

This ending in the same fiscal month as the deadline for topping up the Dead Man's Hand pledge manager is going to sting a lot.