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Looking very nice indeed, is the human scale 15mm?

There's no official scale stated and they didn't set out with one in mind, they said they just scaled down 28mm sculpts to the smallest size they still looked good.

Obviously we'll have a useful number once someone gets the sprues in hand and measures a dude.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Looking very nice indeed, is the human scale 15mm?

From the FAQ

What is the scale of the Epic Warpath miniatures?

The height of an enforcer (ground to eyes) is 12mm. All other models are based on this, but the vehicles are slightly smaller for practical gameplay reasons.

Enforcers are a bit taller than a regular human in Warpath.

Man, the more I look at these sprues the happier I am. I legit love Armoured Clash, but assembling it sucks... and they're twice as easy as Legion Imperialis. These look great, and I could have stuff assembled and cleaned in minutes!

Thanks guys.

So would be fair to say humans are like 11mm or so.
I sometimes miss when 15mm sci-fi miniatures were popular and would love to see a comeback of those times. The quality is obviously quite high these days and those sprues do display an amazing level of detail for that scale.

If the price is right I could see myself getting some just for nostalgia sake.

also looks like all the infantry can be painted without taking it off from the sprue, should make it much easier to handle those

also I don't see any "blobs" on the models, so making new sculpts instead of just resizing existing ones as paid off

 DaveC wrote:
New Update with sprue pics!

Vehicle size is 15% bigger, details look good considering the size. 6 sprues makes up a starter set.

“Made in Poland EU by Archon Studios” I think that’s the most point of origin info I’ve seen on Archon Sprues yet!

Even more glad I skipped this now. The vehicles are improved but still far too small. Looks like 6/8mm vehicles with 10/12mm figures. What's the point of going to a smaller scale if you can't take advantage of it to keep the big impressive things (vehicles, spacecraft, buildings) more properly in scale?

Might still scoop up some sprues on sale at some point just to add more infantry (they look quite good) to my 10mm forces, but for now it feels like I dodged a bullet here.

I do think it compares unfavourably with Dropzone Commander, where Dave specifically picked the 10mm scale as something that standard vehicles specifically would look good in. Even though the core vehicles were so thin that pilot has to be lying prone, it all still feels very plausible.

That game was focused much more on vehicles, and Epic Warpath is clearly focused more on the (much more diverse) infantry options. But I agree it feels like a bit of a missed opportunity for the sake of squeezing everything onto one sprue. Also not a massive fan of the repeated infantry sculpts on a single sprue. But I'm still happy it exists, and very happy with the sharpness Archon can achieve at such a tiny scale!

Its plastic so should be very simple to snip and repose.

I'm really looking forward to these and a little annoyed I didn't buy more armies, but once they're out I'll be able to pick one up for around $50.

I think for the price these are great.

It's also not often we get hard plastic stuff from anyone in a smaller scale, which is also to be commended.

I asked in the Kickstarter comments if the bases will be loose or on a frame like the current round redibases (ie. the ones with an inset circle) and Mantic confirmed they'll be loose which is good. The ones on a frame tend to wind up with a small amount of scarring on the sides.

Hopefully now that they have designs for more vehicles for the various factions, we'll start seeing some of them in 28mm for firefight.

That would be great!

This is three normal humans in a Leopard tank:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThingsCutInHalfPorn/comments/ourcf8/tank_leopard_1_cross_section_981x552/

If the Panther is a transport then I can see issues with scale being valid but if it's a gun platform then yeah seems reasonable that a single enforcer could be reclined in the front piloting it.

Looking good though. I wish I'd have splashed out on some big support units too. And maybe some Veer-Myn and Forge Fathers... but hey ho.

These do look quite nice.

Good detail on the infantry and if the vehicles are slightly out of scale, it's not enough to be obvious on the tabletop.

Well done.

My thoughts on scale are that at this level you need some abstraction. The Mantic minis here are *far* less out of scale than the first editions of Epic (Rhinos in particular are hilariously small) and those things were sold in the hundreds of thousands. So, I really don't think it is going to be a deal-breaker for a majority of punters.

A good range of easy to assemble miniatures, reasonably priced, with a game that is straightforward to play - that would give them an opportunity to pick up the Legions Imperialis players that liked the scale and have a lovely mini collection, but have been turned off that game - and I think Mantic could do well with this game. It certainly has the potential to take off in a way the 28mm version of Warpath has not.

I'm in 100% agreement with you, Pacific.

Mantic need give it a bit of love when it drops though, because they are currently constantly flip flopping between their own IP and Halo, and now we have Assassins Creed ramping up. Trying to keep tabs on Champions was a chore because their socials are so heavily focused on Halo.

I've enquired about getting on the Epic early access train a couple of times but haven't heard anything back. I want to get it hyped because the You Can Play Right Away Starter Army In A Box model should do good numbers.

Yes the lack of web content for Epic so far is pretty annoying.

If I got it right, we (KS backer) should still get things a month prior the regular release so I guess web content will start after that

might be a reason that the actual release date is still bending depending on how shipment etc. goes

fair comment Kodos. I'll be getting an unboxing up the day I get my package that's for certain!

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:


Looking good though. I wish I'd have splashed out on some big support units too. And maybe some Veer-Myn and Forge Fathers... but hey ho.

You might be able to add sone more - from the KS comments asking about reopening pledges to add more:

"Please contact support@manticgames.com, we'll do our best to organise it.

Paul"

oooh yes god spot, cheers mate!

sad, same no-go as armoured clash: infantry and vehicles come in the same sprues and cannot get them separately...

Yeah, seems an odd choice to me as well, esoecially as there seems no way to get more of the plastic vehicles otherwise (big muss not including STL versions of them)

I find the problem mofe egregious with Armoured Clash, as the game is ostensibly about tank battles but you only really get like 2-4 tanks per box

Vehicles and infantry on the same frames is exactly what Space Marine/Epic 40,000 did.

I wish they'd used different colored plastic too.

SU-152 wrote:
sad, same no-go as armoured clash: infantry and vehicles come in the same sprues and cannot get them separately...

Sounds like Legions Imperialis is the game for you.

Out of curiosity I emailed support about adding to a pledge and got an auto response that they are out of the office for two weeks but will respond when back, so just a heads up on that.

Yep, same

All hands on deck packaging everything up as far as they can without the minis? We've just finished easter half terms here and the next school break is in another 4 weeks.

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:
All hands on deck packaging everything up

Yes but not for Warpath, for Champions

Champions stuff has shipped.

Pictures on the Champions thread here or https://www.kowforum.com/t/who-got-their-champions-stuff/4765/2?u=mattl