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This was the first GW online worldwide preview stream. Was it good? opinion Did we get cool previews opinion etc etc.

Can it be better? We will find out next week when they have had a week to learn from today and plan.

If the community is slinging abuse and resorting to petty name calling after a month of the pandemic, what will we be like by the end of April?

Seems that the people complaining about the "whiners" are more toxic than the usual suspects today. Seriously, these people insist the bar should be set so low, when it was Games Workshop themselves who raised the bar to begin with. It was also Games Workshop who made the choice to have little to preview this week as well. There is ample room to complain about being disappointed this week. To insist otherwise is honestly just ignorant.

Just seen this edit of the Elf unit on Reddit. Vast improvement IMO.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

So what? Improve how? More units? You would still have same "too little!". Hell announce redo of entire 40k line and all releases in month? Too little, too boring.,

You're acting as if petty name calling and abuse are new phenomenons.

I honestly thought those Elves with hammers had cow head styled back banners at first, because they are that tall. Then I saw that it is infact their helmets. The new Elves continue to look like something lifted straight from Magic The Gathering.

In some ways I should be thankful that GW continue to butcher their fantasy range, just means I save money.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A 30k primarch is worth less than nothing to most 40k players, for starters. It's still a fairly niche game that only appeals to people who mostly like marine-on-marine combat using the 7th edition rules. Not exactly a massive demographic.

Ah yes. 40k is only thing that matters right.

Well howabout this: fabius is 40k. Not LOTR. Ergo whole preview sucks. Less 40k, more LOTR!

Duh. this is preview for WHOLE GW LINES! Not 40k exclusive.

40k players should be less entitled whiners who demand everything has to be 40k.

tneva82 wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

So what? Improve how? More units? You would still have same "too little!". Hell announce redo of entire 40k line and all releases in month? Too little, too boring.,

That's a very tenuous assertion, that nothing GW could have done could possibly have been enough. You've chosen to prophesy the behavior of the entire community, me included presumably, and I'm torn between finding that risible and hilarious.

tneva82 wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A 30k primarch is worth less than nothing to most 40k players, for starters. It's still a fairly niche game that only appeals to people who mostly like marine-on-marine combat using the 7th edition rules. Not exactly a massive demographic.

Ah yes. 40k is only thing that matters right.

Oh no, if they'd have previewed something for Necromunda, that would have mattered some as well. Or for Titanicus. Or Blood Bowl. They had all kinds of different ways they could have impressed me beyond their excellent remake of Fabulous Bill. They just didn't. But by all means, do continue. Maybe you'll have better luck with the next accusation.

 Flinty wrote:
Elf things look like keepers of secrets... what genius in the design house decided that was a good idea?

Slaaneshi Cygors/Gorgons also look like a great prospect.

tneva82 wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A 30k primarch is worth less than nothing to most 40k players, for starters. It's still a fairly niche game that only appeals to people who mostly like marine-on-marine combat using the 7th edition rules. Not exactly a massive demographic.

Ah yes. 40k is only thing that matters right.

Well howabout this: fabius is 40k. Not LOTR. Ergo whole preview sucks. Less 40k, more LOTR!

Duh. this is preview for WHOLE GW LINES! Not 40k exclusive.

40k players should be less entitled whiners who demand everything has to be 40k.

40k is all that matters to a 40k player. Likewise, LOTR is all that matters to a LOTR player. Seems pretty simple.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
You're acting as if petty name calling and abuse are new phenomenons.

No, just that it escalated a lot faster than normal. (and normally it doesn't take long).

This is how I would fix the elves. I think the cow aesthetic is kind of fun, so I went with that:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

So what? Improve how? More units? You would still have same "too little!". Hell announce redo of entire 40k line and all releases in month? Too little, too boring.,

That's a very tenuous assertion, that nothing GW could have done could possibly have been enough. You've chosen to prophesy the behavior of the entire community, me included presumably, and I'm torn between finding that risible and hilarious.

It's been shown multiple times. Some people just never have enough because they expect every reveal is universe shattering reveal.

This was hyped before same as every GW preview before and been of same. If people get dissapointed on this STOP EXPECTING MORE THAN WHAT HAS BEEN BEFORE! GW is following their standard modus operandi of 3 years. If you haven't by now got the memo you are very slow learner.

How many times you need to get exact same hype and reveal amounts before you know this is what you should expect in future?

Osorios wrote:
This is how I would fix the elves. I think the cow aesthetic is kind of fun, so I went with that:

Spoiler:

Your image is bust, but did you by chance make the cow-head ornament the helmet?

Edit: Ah, you did. Yeah, that actually looks better.

But... It's demonstrably less than the other two events this year. If people were expecting more, it's because GW promised more, but delivered less than the last two times they did this.

If they want people to be impressed, they need more than 10 models, most of which have already been seen and not lead with niche special characters to boot.

Warcry should have been the model for the rest of the previews this time.

 Mangod wrote:

Osorios wrote:
This is how I would fix the elves. I think the cow aesthetic is kind of fun, so I went with that:

Your image is bust, but did you by chance make the cow-head ornament the helmet?

He put the gallery link in wrong. I've fixed it in the quote.

Voss wrote:
But... It's demonstrably less than the other two events this year. If people were expecting more, it's because GW promised more, but delivered less than the last two times they did this.

See, that's what I thought too, but it doesn't seem to be so clear for the soulless minions of orthodoxy, so perhaps there's nuances at play that I'm simply missing.

Maybe preview maybe one rules element for each thing for the people who are into playing games with these things. get people talking about that side of things too.

Who’s in for flooding the twitch channel next week with requests for POD Karloth Valois with his Necromunda gang of scavvies? Or is a gang of scalies and plague zombies too soon?

I don't think flooding the twitch channel would accomplish anything signficant, if for no other reason than because it was already flooded with all kinds of garbage tonight.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Yeah who knows, maybe some more Ork releases!

Ah of course the ad hominems from you. Ork releases, or maybe, something worth the "You won't want to miss it!" "Something for every Warhammer fan!" spiel they've been touting?

Quite positive update. I love the format since it reaches anyone anywhere rather than just some lucky enough to be able to attend an event.

This should have been done years ago.

As for the updates a bit for everyone I guess, good stuff.

For next time, they should see about tweaking the format a bit, the 2-5 minute breaks after each chat spaced things out too much needlessly at least as far as the stream audience was concerned. I suspect that was partially due to them wanting to release the blog updates at 15 minute increments, and to also make sure each guest was ready and there were no video or audio issues (to GW's credit, there weren't, which is no small feat considering they've never streamed stuff like this before)

I wonder what the Hammer Elves would look like with standard High Elf pointy hats. Remove the weird bulls completely ('cause the lower parts of the helmet look great) and have it taper to a point, old skool style.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
For next time, they should see about tweaking the format a bit, the 2-5 minute breaks after each chat spaced things out too much needlessly at least as far as the stream audience was concerned. I suspect that was partially due to them wanting to release the blog updates at 15 minute increments, and to also make sure each guest was ready and there were no video or audio issues (to GW's credit, there weren't, which is no small feat considering they've never streamed stuff like this before)

I assumed it was because they had to change the feed for each guest, each of whom was most likely in a different location.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
For next time, they should see about tweaking the format a bit, the 2-5 minute breaks after each chat spaced things out too much needlessly at least as far as the stream audience was concerned. I suspect that was partially due to them wanting to release the blog updates at 15 minute increments, and to also make sure each guest was ready and there were no video or audio issues (to GW's credit, there weren't, which is no small feat considering they've never streamed stuff like this before)

I assumed it was because they had to change the feed for each guest, each of whom was most likely in a different location.

And using different gear - heck one persons webcam was so bad/glitching he didn't appear and was only done via voice (with a little funny note that his webcam was rubbish)

I think it was sensibly done to have pauses, remembering that the person running the stream wasn't working from the office, but also from home. Had he been working from the main office with a small team he likely could have kept talking whilst someone else checked the feed and make sure the next person was ready; doing it alone he's got to do all that and make sure the twitch kept running etc... Plus update the static site as well.

so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

man war of the spider has a lot of exciting stuff,

BrianDavion wrote:
so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

Lucius is much later. The 2nd ed Chaos codex had Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman, Fabius Bile, and Huron Blackheart. The 3rd edition one added Doomrider, and the 4th ed one finally gave us Lucius and Typhus.

BrianDavion wrote:
so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

Lucius didn't get a model until 4th edition.

Not that that means that they didn't forget him...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder what the Hammer Elves would look like with standard High Elf pointy hats. Remove the weird bulls completely ('cause the lower parts of the helmet look great) and have it taper to a point, old skool style.

Ahem.

I posted this further up the page.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spoiler:

Just seen this edit of the Elf unit on Reddit. Vast improvement IMO.