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All I'm saying is that "old skool" high elf helmet + white robes is probably not the fix you want to go for

My favoured fix would be cypher lord style bull motif helmets. and replace the mallets with axes or some sort of pole arm.

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

GW didn't make the miniatures that way. Some people are advocating for a simple change to the miniatures to make them look better, but unfortunately don't see what they're making as a result.

That's not what they're making as a result, that's what you're seeing as a result, and even if they were making explicitly that (as GW have done before), the hypothetical feelings of a hypothetical person aren't a good enough reason to not do it, just like it's not a good enough reason to stop someone writing about it, or drawing it, or singing about it, or making a film about it. God how I hate censorship rationalised by social justice.

JWBS wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

GW didn't make the miniatures that way. Some people are advocating for a simple change to the miniatures to make them look better, but unfortunately don't see what they're making as a result.

That's not what they're making as a result, that's what you're seeing as a result, and even if they were making explicitly that (as GW have done before), the hypothetical feelings of a hypothetical person aren't a good enough reason to not do it, just like it's not a good enough reason to stop someone writing about it, or drawing it, or singing about it, or making a film about it. God how I hate censorship rationalised by social justice.

No one is advocating censorship or cancellation of anything.

Go ahead and make a max sized unit of hidden face pointy hat guys in white robes. Just don't be surprised when people react to them. across the table they are going to look like a unit of clansmen.

If that's what you want, go for it. Each time someone reacts you can explain to them the history of high elf helmet design and what you're really doing is making them old skool.

 Chamberlain wrote:
All I'm saying is that "old skool" high elf helmet + white robes is probably not the fix you want to go for

My favoured fix would be cypher lord style bull motif helmets. and replace the mallets with axes or some sort of pole arm.

Because kkk?

Last time i checked they don't wear filigran armor, or helmets.

They also don't have a monopoly of white robes and the association with them.
Infact if they were colourfull i'd have said they are out off my local Fasnacht(carneval) including white.

Jackal90 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I’m sorry, but considering the AoS realm and 40k universe, that’s pretty minor.
When genocide and slavery are common parts of stories I think it’s past the point of what would little timmy think.

I guess there’s a link to anything if you look hard enough though and spin a few images.

There’s a big difference from “This mini portrays a genocidal monster: her personally electro-vaporized a trillion blarns!” and “This miniature reminds me of the guy who lynched my great uncle.”

These days a cloud could offend some people as it resembles something to them.
Problems are generally only there if you dig endlessly to make them appear.

White robes aren’t inherently bad or evil.
Assuming anything that has them is as such is just plain stupidity.

A) please link me to an article where a cloud sparked some outrage.

B). We aren’t talking about clouds.

C). If you think creating an accidental yet obvious reference to a real world hate group is snowflake pearl clutching, please wear a “Charlie Chaplin mustache” on your face and add one to your Facebook picture and let me know how people don’t treat you any differently.

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

GW didn't make the miniatures that way. Some people are advocating for a simple change to the miniatures to make them look better, but unfortunately don't see what they're making as a result.

That's not what they're making as a result, that's what you're seeing as a result, and even if they were making explicitly that (as GW have done before), the hypothetical feelings of a hypothetical person aren't a good enough reason to not do it, just like it's not a good enough reason to stop someone writing about it, or drawing it, or singing about it, or making a film about it. God how I hate censorship rationalised by social justice.

No one is advocating censorship or cancellation of anything.

Go ahead and make a max sized unit of hidden face pointy hat guys in white robes. Just don't be surprised when people react to them. across the table they are going to look like a unit of clansmen.

If that's what you want, go for it. Each time someone reacts you can explain to them the history of high elf helmet design and what you're really doing is making them old skool.

So should we also not paint any guard in DPM in case it offends people?
I’ve seen tons of night goblins with white robes (they actually look great in that colour) and never seen complaints about them.

Also, should we ban skaven slaves as slavery should not be there either?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:
All I'm saying is that "old skool" high elf helmet + white robes is probably not the fix you want to go for

My favoured fix would be cypher lord style bull motif helmets. and replace the mallets with axes or some sort of pole arm.

Because kkk?

Last time i checked they don't wear filigran armor, or helmets.

They also don't have a monopoly of white robes and the association with them.
Infact if they were colourfull i'd have said they are out off my local Fasnacht if anything.

Clearly there are variations in local culture. I’m far more likely to see some guy in Klan robes, even with filigree, than I am to see a Fasnacht.

Jackal90 wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

GW didn't make the miniatures that way. Some people are advocating for a simple change to the miniatures to make them look better, but unfortunately don't see what they're making as a result.

That's not what they're making as a result, that's what you're seeing as a result, and even if they were making explicitly that (as GW have done before), the hypothetical feelings of a hypothetical person aren't a good enough reason to not do it, just like it's not a good enough reason to stop someone writing about it, or drawing it, or singing about it, or making a film about it. God how I hate censorship rationalised by social justice.

No one is advocating censorship or cancellation of anything.

Go ahead and make a max sized unit of hidden face pointy hat guys in white robes. Just don't be surprised when people react to them. across the table they are going to look like a unit of clansmen.

If that's what you want, go for it. Each time someone reacts you can explain to them the history of high elf helmet design and what you're really doing is making them old skool.

So should we also not paint any guard in DPM in case it offends people?
I’ve seen tons of night goblins with white robes (they actually look great in that colour) and never seen complaints about them.

Also, should we ban skaven slaves as slavery should not be there either?

No one is saying to ban anything. Where are you getting that idea?

Goblins are not human, also are evil, so the Klan confusion is moot. Even if someone thinks they are supposed to be Klan gobbos, they likely won’t take it as an endorsement of the klan.

What is DPM?

Elves aren’t human either.

DPM - disruptive pattern material.
Typical MoD camouflage.

Reading through this thread, I didn't know so many people are upset that the next new Primaris marine unit hasn't been revealed yet. I know it has been a long, long while since the last non-faction specific Primaris release but don't worry. There is still next week, and if not then; I am sure sometime during the rest of the year we will be seeing something new. I get it. I don't like going more than 6 months without a new Primaris space marine model too as each new kit is always bigger and more exciting reveal than the last. I am giddy just thinking about what it could be to make everyone's model collection even better. Man, I hope it is some kind of Lieutenant. Just the same, there's no need to get snippy about it. It will happen. We just have to reach down into a personal well of fortitude and struggle on. Well we make it, and it will be glorious.

Jackal90 wrote:
Elves aren’t human either.

DPM - disruptive pattern material.
Typical MoD camouflage.

Elves look human at tabletop distances. They are visually identical to humans with pointy ears. Anyone ignorant of elf aesthetics could easily mistake them. Goblins are unmistakeably inhuman.

What’s MoD?

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:

JWBS wrote:

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

GW didn't make the miniatures that way. Some people are advocating for a simple change to the miniatures to make them look better, but unfortunately don't see what they're making as a result.

That's not what they're making as a result, that's what you're seeing as a result, and even if they were making explicitly that (as GW have done before), the hypothetical feelings of a hypothetical person aren't a good enough reason to not do it, just like it's not a good enough reason to stop someone writing about it, or drawing it, or singing about it, or making a film about it. God how I hate censorship rationalised by social justice.

No one is advocating censorship or cancellation of anything.

Go ahead and make a max sized unit of hidden face pointy hat guys in white robes. Just don't be surprised when people react to them. across the table they are going to look like a unit of clansmen.

If that's what you want, go for it. Each time someone reacts you can explain to them the history of high elf helmet design and what you're really doing is making them old skool.

I won't do that. What concerns ne (a lot, as it happens), is that someone can't write a novel about sci-fi clansmen, or make a film about sci-fi nazis, or paint a picture depicting anime-anything-at-all-that-might-offend-a-hypothetical-person-that-might-not-even-exist, and we will all be the poorer for it. To say that the prospect irritates me greatly is an understatement. I hope it doesn't happen. People, at last, seem to be fighting back against it, and I hope the course is corrected if not soon then eventually.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
Reading through this thread, I didn't know so many people are upset that the next new Primaris marine unit hasn't been revealed yet. I know it has been a long, long while since the last non-faction specific Primaris release but don't worry. There is still next week, and if not then; I am sure sometime during the rest of the year we will be seeing something new. I get it. I don't like going more than 6 months without a new Primaris space marine model too as each new kit is always bigger and more exciting reveal than the last. I am giddy just thinking about what it could be to make everyone's model collection even better. Man, I hope it is some kind of Lieutenant. Just the same, there's no need to get snippy about it. It will happen. We just have to reach down into a personal well of fortitude and struggle on. Well we make it, and it will be glorious.

Don’t worry, the exclusive model was a Primaris, they got this gak locked down!


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
Elves aren’t human either.

DPM - disruptive pattern material.
Typical MoD camouflage.

Elves look human at tabletop distances. They are visually identical to humans with pointy ears. Anyone ignorant of elf aesthetics could easily mistake them. Goblins are unmistakeably inhuman.

What’s MoD?

You think someone that doesn’t know about elves wouldn’t find the pink topless daemons weird or offensive either?

Ministry of defence.

Basically just military camouflage.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
A) please link me to an article where a cloud sparked some outrage.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
A) please link me to an article where a cloud sparked some outrage.

Spoiler:

Point conceded.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
A) please link me to an article where a cloud sparked some outrage.

Spoiler:

I’d been googling it to try and find that exact damn pic but you beat me to it lol.
Well played.

JWBS wrote:

I won't do that. What concerns ne (a lot, as it happens), is that someone can't write a novel about sci-fi clansmen, or make a film about sci-fi nazis.

Star Wars came out what like 4 months ago?

You think someone that doesn’t know about elves wouldn’t find the pink topless daemons weird or offensive either?

Ministry of defence.

Basically just military camouflage.

I would expect those people to be absolutely aghast at any nudity. There’s a lot of stuff in WH that can easily be misinterpreted. As you’ve read, I also plan to never pay $55 for 5 aelves snip off some hats to make them pointy. I was simply pointing out that, yes, white pointy hats and robes can be misinterpreted. That’s it. No bans. No shame (beyond what any Warhammer should naturally feel playing with mandollies). No admonitions. Just, “yeah, I can see why that might bother some people.”

I see people are not familiar with the Capirote and gowns.

And thanks. Not sure why camo would be an issue.

Oh, that didn’t work.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:
All I'm saying is that "old skool" high elf helmet + white robes is probably not the fix you want to go for

My favoured fix would be cypher lord style bull motif helmets. and replace the mallets with axes or some sort of pole arm.

Because kkk?

Last time i checked they don't wear filigran armor, or helmets.

They also don't have a monopoly of white robes and the association with them.
Infact if they were colourfull i'd have said they are out off my local Fasnacht if anything.

Clearly there are variations in local culture. I’m far more likely to see some guy in Klan robes, even with filigree, than I am to see a Fasnacht.

So what, what came first a tradition from the medieval era or some mentally challanged morons believing in clerical fascism?
If i want a Fasnacht Theme i will get it !
No Quarter or mercy given.
The hell i give up Fasnacht because a bunch or idiots decided to Steal that costume, infact i would ridicule them even Harder in the Spirit of Fasnacht.

 ScarletRose wrote:

JWBS wrote:

I won't do that. What concerns ne (a lot, as it happens), is that someone can't write a novel about sci-fi clansmen, or make a film about sci-fi nazis.

Star Wars came out what like 4 months ago?

-removed-

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

You think someone that doesn’t know about elves wouldn’t find the pink topless daemons weird or offensive either?

Ministry of defence.

Basically just military camouflage.

I would expect those people to be absolutely aghast at any nudity. There’s a lot of stuff in WH that can easily be misinterpreted. As you’ve read, I also plan to never pay $55 for 5 aelves snip off some hats to make them pointy. I was simply pointing out that, yes, white pointy hats and robes can be misinterpreted. That’s it. No bans. No shame (beyond what any Warhammer should naturally feel playing with mandollies). No admonitions. Just, “yeah, I can see it.”

My point was more that’s there’s directly a lot of potentially more offensive things that are direct in this game.
I understand you are middle of the road, but I’m just saying that some will dig until they find an issue.


And military camouflage does indeed offend some people.
More so if it’s German camouflage (even if not the old pattern)
People instantly think worst case scenario.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:
All I'm saying is that "old skool" high elf helmet + white robes is probably not the fix you want to go for

My favoured fix would be cypher lord style bull motif helmets. and replace the mallets with axes or some sort of pole arm.

Because kkk?

Last time i checked they don't wear filigran armor, or helmets.

They also don't have a monopoly of white robes and the association with them.
Infact if they were colourfull i'd have said they are out off my local Fasnacht if anything.

Clearly there are variations in local culture. I’m far more likely to see some guy in Klan robes, even with filigree, than I am to see a Fasnacht.

So what, what came first a tradition from the medieval era or some mentally challanged morons believing in clerical fascism?
If i want a Fasnacht Theme i will get it !
No Quarter or mercy given.
The hell i give up Fasnacht because a bunch or idiots decided to Steal that costume, infact i would ridicule them even Harder in the Spirit of Fasnacht.

??

Go ahead?

Americans might see American iconography in minis in America. Other locations have their own unique iconographies. Why are you responding with apparent outrage that people thousands of miles away from you are discussing local cultural issues you don’t have to experience?

...

People please, stick to the topic and keep rule #1 in mind, the amount of alerts this topic is generating is on the wrong side of hilarious at this point.

My post was an example and not even offensive, what the feth?

Either way, I think chop the cow heads off entirely or use them as masks instead.
Head ornaments work well for bretts, but they are far smaller.
Just looks like they’d be better without them or as masks instead.

On an different note, I’ve seen some rules for the lion floating around:

from Andy Hoare:

- Lion has a strength of 7, Wolf Blade gives +3 (so he hits at S10)
- You take the Lion Sword if you want to kill general stuff and the Wolf Blade if you want to kill monsters

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spoiler:

Just seen this edit of the Elf unit on Reddit. Vast improvement IMO.

I feel like they should at least keep the horns, give them something to distinguish their silhouette.