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 Dysartes wrote:
Especially as a couple of snippets were mentioned during the stream.

S7 base, with the Wolf Sword giving +3S

Lion Sword for killing dudes, Wolf Sword for killing monsters...

That makes a lot of sense really. The Wolf Sword was a weird relic on Caliban which had a monster problem. I think it could have done with a better name though. Wolf Sword just sounds like it's from the Space Wolves.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yeah, if the Lion`'s coming, this won't have hurried or slowed it in any way. Two different crews sculpting, for two different game systems.


and to further diffrentiate them I could see the Lion in 40k if he was introduced being given a new weapon or something, maybe the Lion sword reforged into something new, Ala Aundrial from the shards of Narsil...... actually thats kind of a neat idea


Depends on if Cypher is, in fact, carrying the broken pieces of the Lion Sword around, and whether anyone has been permitted the fix it.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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pm713 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Especially as a couple of snippets were mentioned during the stream.

S7 base, with the Wolf Sword giving +3S

Lion Sword for killing dudes, Wolf Sword for killing monsters...

That makes a lot of sense really. The Wolf Sword was a weird relic on Caliban which had a monster problem. I think it could have done with a better name though. Wolf Sword just sounds like it's from the Space Wolves.


I have a feeling the sword wasn't really named until after the Lion used it to eradicate the Knights of Lupus.

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pm713 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Especially as a couple of snippets were mentioned during the stream.

S7 base, with the Wolf Sword giving +3S

Lion Sword for killing dudes, Wolf Sword for killing monsters...

That makes a lot of sense really. The Wolf Sword was a weird relic on Caliban which had a monster problem. I think it could have done with a better name though. Wolf Sword just sounds like it's from the Space Wolves.


Or perhaps the Space Wolves should cut down on the "Wolf Wolf" prefixes. After all, the fact that the Ravenwing has nothing to do with the Raven Guard doesn't take much mental effort to navigate.

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The hand of the sword on the back of the cypher model looks the same as the one the new lion model is holding
   
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mrFickle wrote:
So we have anew lion model but no rules for 40k, I’m just a bit gutted. Surely this is the first step in that direction though?


Well, nothing is stopping you from getting it and using it as a chapter master proxy.
   
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mrFickle wrote:
The hand of the sword on the back of the cypher model looks the same as the one the new lion model is holding

As well touching the sword Cypher has gives you horrifying visions of being stabbed.

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pm713 wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
The hand of the sword on the back of the cypher model looks the same as the one the new lion model is holding

As well touching the sword Cypher has gives you horrifying visions of being stabbed.

That was specifically Asmodai tho, not everyone that touch the sword right ?

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Don't fret, it's inevitable we'll see a far more overdesigned, worse looking Lion in plastic, probably leaping off something 'dynamically'.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Why were people expecting 40k rules for a Primarch branded with 30k marketing? Is the same said for things like the Interemptors and Knights Cenobium?

50% of any thread about a 30k release is now, "Why doesn't it have 40k rules?" At this rate they'll be asking for rules for LotR models.

 Kanluwen wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Why were people expecting 40k rules for a Primarch branded with 30k marketing? Is the same said for things like the Interemptors and Knights Cenobium?

I'm assuming that it's in reaction to the nonsense from people having sniffed out the preview's headers. When the pictures got leaked, immediately some of the usual suspects referred to it as "THE LION COMES TO 40K!".

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Well, the backwards stumbling "don't steal my sword" pose of that newfangled HH model is probably the worst sculpting-attempt at a pose of a miniature holding a sword ever made, lol.

Can't really get any worse than that.
   
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Question: is this the first time that the legionaries being slaughtered by a primarch on his base were a specific legion? I thought they were all just generic legionnaires before now. Is the Eighth the first to get this particular "honour"?
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yeah, if the Lion`'s coming, this won't have hurried or slowed it in any way. Two different crews sculpting, for two different game systems.


and to further diffrentiate them I could see the Lion in 40k if he was introduced being given a new weapon or something, maybe the Lion sword reforged into something new, Ala Aundrial from the shards of Narsil...... actually thats kind of a neat idea


Depends on if Cypher is, in fact, carrying the broken pieces of the Lion Sword around, and whether anyone has been permitted the fix it.


After the siege of terra, The Lion stabbed russ with the Lion Sword to bring an end to their duel, so unless it got broken again, the sword cypher has is whole and functional, but he's never drawn it so we don't know for sure. Guilliman recognized the sword the instant he saw it, he doesn't say it outright, but the very strong implication is the sword cypher has is the lion sword.

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 Grimgold wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yeah, if the Lion`'s coming, this won't have hurried or slowed it in any way. Two different crews sculpting, for two different game systems.


and to further diffrentiate them I could see the Lion in 40k if he was introduced being given a new weapon or something, maybe the Lion sword reforged into something new, Ala Aundrial from the shards of Narsil...... actually thats kind of a neat idea


Depends on if Cypher is, in fact, carrying the broken pieces of the Lion Sword around, and whether anyone has been permitted the fix it.


After the siege of terra, The Lion stabbed russ with the Lion Sword to bring an end to their duel, so unless it got broken again, the sword cypher has is whole and functional, but he's never drawn it so we don't know for sure. Guilliman recognized the sword the instant he saw it, he doesn't say it outright, but the very strong implication is the sword cypher has is the lion sword.

Yes there is a captain of a DA wing (the dreadwing ?) that keep the broken shards of the lion sword and reforge it by the end of the horus heresy. It is not broken.

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Post-Angels of Caliban/Imperium Secundus, Holguin of the Deathwing has the shards of the Lion Sword and is it's caretaker/finding a way to reforge it.
There's not indication it's reforged yet, and unless something has changed the lore around Cypher was that he carried the broken pieces of the Lion Sword.

 
   
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WhiteDog wrote:
pm713 wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
The hand of the sword on the back of the cypher model looks the same as the one the new lion model is holding

As well touching the sword Cypher has gives you horrifying visions of being stabbed.

That was specifically Asmodai tho, not everyone that touch the sword right ?

It is Asmodai but considering Cypher specifically says not to touch it I think it's fair to assume that it wasn't Asmodai specific.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Don't fret, it's inevitable we'll see a far more overdesigned, worse looking Lion in plastic, probably leaping off something 'dynamically'.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Why were people expecting 40k rules for a Primarch branded with 30k marketing? Is the same said for things like the Interemptors and Knights Cenobium?

50% of any thread about a 30k release is now, "Why doesn't it have 40k rules?" At this rate they'll be asking for rules for LotR models.


The Lion Sword is essentially Narsil/Anduril(shattered and reforged, only certain people are allowed to touch it without consequences, etc.), so...

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 BroodSpawn wrote:
Post-Angels of Caliban/Imperium Secundus, Holguin of the Deathwing has the shards of the Lion Sword and is it's caretaker/finding a way to reforge it.
There's not indication it's reforged yet, and unless something has changed the lore around Cypher was that he carried the broken pieces of the Lion Sword.

I thought it was certain that the Lion used the Lion sword in his duel against Russ at the end of the heresy ? In the Leman Russ primarch novel (The Great Wolf).
Thanks for the clarification on who was keeping the sword, I forgot who it was.

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WhiteDog wrote:
 BroodSpawn wrote:
Post-Angels of Caliban/Imperium Secundus, Holguin of the Deathwing has the shards of the Lion Sword and is it's caretaker/finding a way to reforge it.
There's not indication it's reforged yet, and unless something has changed the lore around Cypher was that he carried the broken pieces of the Lion Sword.

I thought it was certain that the Lion used the Lion sword in his duel against Russ at the end of the heresy ? In the Leman Russ primarch novel (The Great Wolf).
Thanks for the clarification on who was keeping the sword, I forgot who it was.


I just had to look up what book that was. It's the Dulan incident/source of the feud between Russ and the Lion.. which is set pre-Heresy. It's why the two Legions have there feud and why Guilliman references it in Imperium Secundus.
As far as I know the sword itself isn't reforged before the Caliban incident. It might be by then (since they've not really gone into a lot of detail on 'the event' just done a lot of the buildup to it so far).

 
   
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 BroodSpawn wrote:
WhiteDog wrote:
 BroodSpawn wrote:
Post-Angels of Caliban/Imperium Secundus, Holguin of the Deathwing has the shards of the Lion Sword and is it's caretaker/finding a way to reforge it.
There's not indication it's reforged yet, and unless something has changed the lore around Cypher was that he carried the broken pieces of the Lion Sword.

I thought it was certain that the Lion used the Lion sword in his duel against Russ at the end of the heresy ? In the Leman Russ primarch novel (The Great Wolf).
Thanks for the clarification on who was keeping the sword, I forgot who it was.


I just had to look up what book that was. It's the Dulan incident/source of the feud between Russ and the Lion.. which is set pre-Heresy. It's why the two Legions have there feud and why Guilliman references it in Imperium Secundus.
As far as I know the sword itself isn't reforged before the Caliban incident. It might be by then (since they've not really gone into a lot of detail on 'the event' just done a lot of the buildup to it so far).

The end of the book is post heresy IIRC. Russ wants to finish the duel with the Lion and he just gets stabbed by the Lion Sword although it's not a killing blow. Which seems to be late heresy Russ's schtick.

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The end of the duel is right after they arrive too late on Terra and is fueled by the fact the Lion think Russ's demand to stop and help other planets instead of them rushing directly to Terra is the reason for them being late and not potentially stopping what happened.

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The important point is that after 2 fights it’s 2-0 to the lion and russ sucks
   
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Lotta spoilers in this thread.


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mrFickle wrote:
The important point is that after 2 fights it’s 2-0 to the lion and russ sucks

I don't think it counts as winning a fight if someone stands still and says if you want to stab me go ahead. Same for someone who stops fighting to laugh at how silly it is.

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pm713 wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
The important point is that after 2 fights it’s 2-0 to the lion and russ sucks

I don't think it counts as winning a fight if someone stands still and says if you want to stab me go ahead. Same for someone who stops fighting to laugh at how silly it is.


True for the first example, but in the second one Russ started the fight out of pique, and then gave up when he realised that he couldn't win.

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 harlokin wrote:
pm713 wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
The important point is that after 2 fights it’s 2-0 to the lion and russ sucks

I don't think it counts as winning a fight if someone stands still and says if you want to stab me go ahead. Same for someone who stops fighting to laugh at how silly it is.


True for the first example, but in the second one Russ started the fight out of pique, and then gave up when he realised that he couldn't win.

He quite explicitly laughed because he thought it was silly.

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
As said above, he's a 30k model not a 40k one, just like Angron, Horus, Perty, Alpharius, Sanguinius, Dorn, Fulgrim, Corax, Kurze, Russ, Ferrus, Lorgar, or Vulkan.

Why were people expecting 40k rules for a Primarch branded with 30k marketing? Is the same said for things like the Interemptors and Knights Cenobium?
Because he is literally not only alive in 40K per canon but also basically awake?

The real question is why anyone would assume that he won't be appearing in 40K at some point. He will.
   
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pm713 wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
pm713 wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
The important point is that after 2 fights it’s 2-0 to the lion and russ sucks

I don't think it counts as winning a fight if someone stands still and says if you want to stab me go ahead. Same for someone who stops fighting to laugh at how silly it is.


True for the first example, but in the second one Russ started the fight out of pique, and then gave up when he realised that he couldn't win.

He quite explicitly laughed because he thought it was silly.


It was silly. Russ attacked the Lion and they fought for three days, all because Russ was upset that the Lion killed the Tyrant of Dulan first. Silly Russ started a silly fight he couldn't win, and got slapped down because after three days the Lion didn't find it funny.

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So the lion beats russ to the goal and then beats russ and then beats him again.

For what ever reason lion won the combat because of his single minded resolve to complete the mission no matter what. This is the nature of the dark angles. I think the lion is definitely the best warrior of all the primarchs. Magnus would beat him but only cos of his psychic powers.
   
 
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