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 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Scrabb wrote:
The Shawshank Redemption.

I would also toss in The Green Mile in the same sentence if we speak drama alongside A Beautiful Mind.

If we jump categorys, i think only thouse who dislike the action category would be the persons who dont like Die Hard 1, Lethal Weapon 1 and my alltime personal favorite action movie as of this date; Mad Max: Fury Road.

Same could be said about the sci-fi movies; Matrix 1, 5th element, Clouse encounter of 3rd kind and ET.

The Gladiator is allso a move that moust likely is only disliked by humans who dont like the roman era or Russel Crowe, same can be said about Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.

I know several folks who dislike Mad Max Fury Road because "god damn feminism invading my action moviez!"

Same crowd that bitches and moans endlessly about the new star wars, new marvel movies, new sisters of battle, etc, etc.

Bran Dawri wrote:
I have literally never heard someone say they dislike The 5th Element.
It's weird. It's campy. It's over-the-top. It doesn't take itself seriously. But somehow, it just works. I think we have a winner for the thread.

I feel like 5th Element is one of those movies, where it's so bad it's good. Not in the usual ways. The story is dumb. The plotting is dumb. The romance is forced and heavy handed. Everything about the movie is just kind if off enough that it feels silly, and the films attempts at levity I don't think were intended to be 'doesn't take itself seriously'. The film is bad. Bud bad in all the ways that make a bad movie fun XD

the_scotsman wrote:


I know several folks who dislike Mad Max Fury Road because "god damn feminism invading my action moviez!"

Same crowd that bitches and moans endlessly about the new star wars, new marvel movies, new sisters of battle, etc, etc.

I think that, realistically, if we spread the net wide enough, we could find people like this with literally every single film out there, even with the "best" of the mostly agreed upon films here. There are people who say they actively dislike anything with X actor's name in the credits, or they hate X director/producer. . . . The Harry Potter films, while not mentioned ITT, are fairly well regarded throughout much of the western/film-going world. However, the religious folks I grew up around were actively pushing a boycott and "disliking" the films because they showed "witchcraft". . .


Even in this thread, for instance, I've brought up Gladiator, and someone brought up one of the most bizarre (IMO) reasons for disliking it. . . I mean, I kind of wonder if they even saw the story within the film. . . And yet, in my experience of people IRL, the only time I've personally encountered any dislike for the film, is for reasons we were kind of discounting (ie, a person "hates" anything with Russell Crowe in it)

 LordofHats wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
I have literally never heard someone say they dislike The 5th Element.
It's weird. It's campy. It's over-the-top. It doesn't take itself seriously. But somehow, it just works. I think we have a winner for the thread.

I feel like 5th Element is one of those movies, where it's so bad it's good. Not in the usual ways. The story is dumb. The plotting is dumb. The romance is forced and heavy handed. Everything about the movie is just kind if off enough that it feels silly, and the films attempts at levity I don't think were intended to be 'doesn't take itself seriously'. The film is bad. Bud bad in all the ways that make a bad movie fun XD

Yeah, maybe for the producers and writers. The actors certainly don't look like they're taking it seriously to me, they're just having fun making it over-the-top and it shows.

Mad Max 2

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:


I know several folks who dislike Mad Max Fury Road because "god damn feminism invading my action moviez!"

Same crowd that bitches and moans endlessly about the new star wars, new marvel movies, new sisters of battle, etc, etc.

I think that, realistically, if we spread the net wide enough, we could find people like this with literally every single film out there, even with the "best" of the mostly agreed upon films here. There are people who say they actively dislike anything with X actor's name in the credits, or they hate X director/producer. . . . The Harry Potter films, while not mentioned ITT, are fairly well regarded throughout much of the western/film-going world. However, the religious folks I grew up around were actively pushing a boycott and "disliking" the films because they showed "witchcraft". . .

Even in this thread, for instance, I've brought up Gladiator, and someone brought up one of the most bizarre (IMO) reasons for disliking it. . . I mean, I kind of wonder if they even saw the story within the film. . . And yet, in my experience of people IRL, the only time I've personally encountered any dislike for the film, is for reasons we were kind of discounting (ie, a person "hates" anything with Russell Crowe in it)

Why is that a treason to discount them? The presence of an actor or a Directors style can make or ruin a film in one persons (valid) equally opinion.

I like Mad Max2 but not 1 or 3 and enjoyed the new one.

I have no real feelings about Harry Potter - just does not interest me.

IMO Harry Potters story was less interesting than the world they lived in.
But then again, i love the idea of urban fantasy and a hidden magical world hiding under the veil or normal society, so much im thinking of making a D&D world around it.

Yeah, Harry Potter is pretty good once you get past the whimsy and the characters.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Yeah, Harry Potter is pretty good once you get past the whimsy and the characters.

That sounds like my wife's review of Picard - "Aside from the parts with Picard, it's really good!"

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:


I know several folks who dislike Mad Max Fury Road because "god damn feminism invading my action moviez!"

Same crowd that bitches and moans endlessly about the new star wars, new marvel movies, new sisters of battle, etc, etc.

I think that, realistically, if we spread the net wide enough, we could find people like this with literally every single film out there, even with the "best" of the mostly agreed upon films here. There are people who say they actively dislike anything with X actor's name in the credits, or they hate X director/producer. . . . The Harry Potter films, while not mentioned ITT, are fairly well regarded throughout much of the western/film-going world. However, the religious folks I grew up around were actively pushing a boycott and "disliking" the films because they showed "witchcraft". . .


Even in this thread, for instance, I've brought up Gladiator, and someone brought up one of the most bizarre (IMO) reasons for disliking it. . . I mean, I kind of wonder if they even saw the story within the film. . . And yet, in my experience of people IRL, the only time I've personally encountered any dislike for the film, is for reasons we were kind of discounting (ie, a person "hates" anything with Russell Crowe in it)

*Hand raised* I hate Harry Potter (found the writing for the books to be dumb as hell), hate Melissa McCarthy, Will Ferrell, Ang Lee, Zak Snyder and Rian Johnson for trying to ruin the Skywalker Series of Star Wars. All of them are high on my “don’t watch even if somebody else bought the ticket”.

Any Lee? Was it The Hulk?

Exactly. The “first” Hulk movie sucked! I hated his “vision” and swore off all future works by Lee.

Bran Dawri wrote:
The first Blade movie.

Well, I didn't like it for one. Bad guy was hella-weak and I didn't like Snipes' uber-macho take on Blade.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Even in this thread, for instance, I've brought up Gladiator, and someone brought up one of the most bizarre (IMO) reasons for disliking it. . . I mean, I kind of wonder if they even saw the story within the film. . . And yet, in my experience of people IRL, the only time I've personally encountered any dislike for the film, is for reasons we were kind of discounting (ie, a person "hates" anything with Russell Crowe in it)

Personally I think Gladiator is hugely overrated movie. It is not actively terrible (except in historical accuracy) but it is just so mediocre. Opening battle is ludicrous even by Hollywood standards. Most of the dialogue is simplistic and boring, completely lacking any kind of intrigue, and plot makes little sense. Most actors give good performances but somehow, nobody had any chemistry going on. It's like 5 good actors all doing monologues. I did like some arena scenes, chariot scene and Tigris vs Maximus. Final fight was weak sauce however.

I found widely panned 'Fall of the Roman Empire' much superior, even though its fight scenes are mostly crap. That movie felt dark and depressing, with end scene very appropriate for the title. Gladiator ended with supposedly high note "oh, we're totally making Rome Republic again", well how did that work out?

 Mr Morden wrote:


Why is that a treason to discount them? The presence of an actor or a Directors style can make or ruin a film in one persons (valid) equally opinion.

I like Mad Max2 but not 1 or 3 and enjoyed the new one.

I have no real feelings about Harry Potter - just does not interest me.

The reason why I personally discount those opinions is because those people will ultimately never watch X film, but still say "Ohh I hate that film, its so dumb" without ever seeing it.

Imagine for a moment, someone who hates the first Die Hard movie, and as a result says, " I will never watch another Bruce Willis movie ever again", and then they turn around and say, "5th Element sucks!!!" without ever seeing it. . . and as we've seen in this thread, 5th element is quite a popular film, being mentioned many times.

In some fairness, I can understand someone saying, "I dislike Will Farrell movies, I thought Step Brothers and Talladega Nights were basically the same, unoriginal stuff, and other than being quotable, were not funny. I shant be watching any more farrell movies" . . . and then seeing previews for that sherlock holmes movie they did and saying, "nope, not gonna see it"


I also have no real feelings for the Potter-verse, the example I gave was a group of people giving "hate" on a movie/franchise, without ever seeing it, based on their weird and not normal belief system (I mean that within the context of the particular religion as compared to general christianity, not intending to go far off topic and actually discuss religion)

Well, as far as WF goes, I have seen Anchorman, Taladega Nights, Step Bros, and even the new Sherlock. He has been awful in basically all of them. I tolerate movies that have him in them in a support role (Zoolander, that frat movie w/Luke Wilson, Lego, etc). But if he’s the main role, I find it utter trash. MM I’ve just seen SO many previews where her character annoys the hell out of me, I have formed all opinions off of previews. And a Saturday Night Live skit that was so annoying it actually made me angry. That shouldn’t be possible.

Oddly enough, it was an SNL skit that redeemed Melissa McCarthy for me...but it was political, so I can imagine that effect was not universal.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Except by the crowd to whom dropping of Bombadil is huge crime and sin ;-)

Back in the mid 90s when I first read LOTR my first thought when we encountered Bombadil was "if they ever do a movie of this book this scene is getting dropped"

Tolkien himself said about possible movie adaptation, that Bombadil could be left out altogether.
Curiously, he said same about Battle of Hornburg, which of course made up like 2/3 of actual Two Towers movie.

I think he would have liked Fellowship, but not so much other two movies.

The one I saw I had her play a three-toothed hick , and she was dumber than a post out in the cornfield. It was nauseating how terrible it was.

I never saw that one. In my opinion, modern SNL has only been funny during Weekend Updates, half the cold-open political skits, and...uh....hmmm.


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Oh! Eddie Murphy’s return to SNL was mostly good.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Why is that a treason to discount them? The presence of an actor or a Directors style can make or ruin a film in one persons (valid) equally opinion.

I like Mad Max2 but not 1 or 3 and enjoyed the new one.

I have no real feelings about Harry Potter - just does not interest me.

The reason why I personally discount those opinions is because those people will ultimately never watch X film, but still say "Ohh I hate that film, its so dumb" without ever seeing it.

Imagine for a moment, someone who hates the first Die Hard movie, and as a result says, " I will never watch another Bruce Willis movie ever again", and then they turn around and say, "5th Element sucks!!!" without ever seeing it. . . and as we've seen in this thread, 5th element is quite a popular film, being mentioned many times.

In some fairness, I can understand someone saying, "I dislike Will Farrell movies, I thought Step Brothers and Talladega Nights were basically the same, unoriginal stuff, and other than being quotable, were not funny. I shant be watching any more farrell movies" . . . and then seeing previews for that sherlock holmes movie they did and saying, "nope, not gonna see it"


I also have no real feelings for the Potter-verse, the example I gave was a group of people giving "hate" on a movie/franchise, without ever seeing it, based on their weird and not normal belief system (I mean that within the context of the particular religion as compared to general christianity, not intending to go far off topic and actually discuss religion)

Fair enough - I do think a specific actor or Director can make or break a film for a given person.

All the Christopher Nolan films I have seen have been (IMO) over long, pretentious, fundamentally empty and soulless and hence I see no reason to watch another one - but I would not comment on ones I have not seen other than to say I would not watch it.

I have equally not enjoyed a film with Jim Carey in it so I don’t watch those.

Film types are again IMO something that can make a person dislike (or love) a film. I absolutely hate slasher flicks like Halloween series or even worse Scream series – a film I wish I had walked out of after watching Drew Barrymore be tortured for about half an hour. Torture-porn is torture porn.

In the context of the original question I think its valid to say that you hate/love a type of film or a director’s style or a given actor as that can (and often will) make you like/dislike the film.

What I find curious, is - even in this thread - the use of "hate" for non-offensive actors. Rather than, "I don't find X funny, or I don't like watching X", we immediately jump to "hate".

I understand if it's due to the actor being an actual gak person (many of them are), but to "hate" someone because you don't enjoy their acting? Seems a bit bizarre. There are loads of famous actors who are insufferable witches...but there are plenty of them who are perfectly decent human beings, even if you dislike their characters, acting, etc.

 Elbows wrote:
What I find curious, is - even in this thread - the use of "hate" for non-offensive actors. Rather than, "I don't find X funny, or I don't like watching X", we immediately jump to "hate".

I understand if it's due to the actor being an actual gak person (many of them are), but to "hate" someone because you don't enjoy their acting? Seems a bit bizarre. There are loads of famous actors who are insufferable witches...but there are plenty of them who are perfectly decent human beings, even if you dislike their characters, acting, etc.

I don't think I said I hate a person - I should not off I did, I would agree its an overused word - I do it too much myself. Same with "love" to be fair.

I should be clearer - I really really dislike certain peoples work in films be they directors or actors.

Met quite a few actors and most of them were lovely

It wasn't directed at you - just in general. I find the same thing amusing when people "hate" a type of food or vegetable or fruit or something.

There are more than enough actors with obnoxious political stances, self-important religions, actual criminal backgrounds, substance abuse issues, spats of rants and raves, blatant racists, etc...so to "hate" someone because they do a form of comedy is just really stretching it for me. Save the hate for the people who genuinely deserve it.

I think Jim Carrey is rubbish as an actor. He plays the same role and makes the same funny faces in all of his 'popular' movies.

Not as bad in the same way as Nicholas Cage who only gets roles because of who he is related to. I mean he has won one Oscar but he's also been nominated for a Golden Raspberry Award for 14 different movies/roles.

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
I think Jim Carrey is rubbish as an actor. He plays the same role and makes the same funny faces in all of his 'popular' movies.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and The Truman Show beg to differ, in my opinion.

I think Nicholas Cage tailors his acting to the type of film he thinks he’s making. He can give a great dramatic performance, give a more somber-yet-aware performance, or go balls out. Lately, he seems to have only been making one kind of film...

It might be a case of him having found his favorite kind of work and sticking with it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think Nicholas Cage tailors his acting to the type of film he thinks he’s making. He can give a great dramatic performance, give a more somber-yet-aware performance, or go balls out. Lately, he seems to have only been making one kind of film...

It might be a case of him having found his favorite kind of work and sticking with it.

Cage's acting is actually a conscious decision to move away from the portrayal of reality in film, to move away from literalism.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I never saw that one. In my opinion, modern SNL has only been funny during Weekend Updates, half the cold-open political skits, and...uh....hmmm.


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Oh! Eddie Murphy’s return to SNL was mostly good.

Have you by any chance seen Maine Justice?





If that still counts as modern, I thought it was amazing. Then again, I am also a huge fan of the Lazercats saga- although even I admit it is uneven.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

The reason why I personally discount those opinions is because those people will ultimately never watch X film, but still say "Ohh I hate that film, its so dumb" without ever seeing it.

Imagine for a moment, someone who hates the first Die Hard movie, and as a result says, " I will never watch another Bruce Willis movie ever again", and then they turn around and say, "5th Element sucks!!!" without ever seeing it. . . and as we've seen in this thread, 5th element is quite a popular film, being mentioned many times.

Honestly, I think this statement needs a fairly big disclaimer on it, because I don't know which people you're referring to. I'm one of those who has certain actors I just can't stand, and whose presence in a film invariably spoils it for me... but I can't fathom why someone would claim to dislike a movie they haven't actually seen.





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 Elbows wrote:
What I find curious, is - even in this thread - the use of "hate" for non-offensive actors. Rather than, "I don't find X funny, or I don't like watching X", we immediately jump to "hate".

It's a fairly over-used word in general, these days. I blame a decline in literary standards in general... it's easier to just say 'hate' than to find a more appropriate adjective.

And, of course, social media has amped up the hyperbole. Shouting that something is the worst thing ever is far more likely to get attention than suggesting that thing is mildly annoying.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
I think Jim Carrey is rubbish as an actor. He plays the same role and makes the same funny faces in all of his 'popular' movies.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and The Truman Show beg to differ, in my opinion.

I was thinking this same thing. I hate “dumb” comedies. Of which Jim Carrey did a LOT of. I could pretty much be sure I’d hate any of his work. But I saw The Truman Show, and had to re-evaluate my thoughts on him as an actor.