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Given that not even GW knows when they will be able to release Engine War, the only safe thing to say is "after Engine War and War of the Spider".

Looks like Necrons are now confirmed for PA: Pariah - Illuminor Szeras gets a new mini as well as his own lady inquisitor to fight, plus there was a lot of chat about the Necrons researching the Pariah gene and Blackstone/Noctilith.

What is potentially interesting is that these characters may still not be the only release for Pariah model wise.

Necron Pariahs could return (however if you listened to the twitch chat, the way they were speaking this may be unlikely).

Also, it could be where the rules new rumoured Primaris models appear (bikes etc), if we are being cynical, maybe it would be a way to attain more book sales by making it worthwhile to marine players also.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
What is potentially interesting is that these characters may still not be the only release for Pariah model wise.

Necron Pariahs could return (however if you listened to the twitch chat, the way they were speaking this may be unlikely).

Also, it could be where the rules new rumoured Primaris models appear (bikes etc), if we are being cynical, maybe it would be a way to attain more book sales by making it worthwhile to marine players also.

When those new Primaris units (bikes, speeder maybe?) where spotted I believe the rumor said early summer to late summer for their release. That would line up fairly well with the projected release date of Pariah. They have to fit in somewhere after all, why not here?

On a wishlisting note, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Necron get some major love in Pariah, they need it.

It would be exactly like GW to release a book series of lore changing campaigns that introduces new models and rules to the armies each book focused on, name one of them Pariah, feature Necrons, not release new rules or models for Necron Pariahs and instead release new Primaris models and rules.

"Pariah" means several things for 40k. It means outcasts(Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin friend qualify there), it means psychic nulls, and it also means the Necron shenanigans. And that's not even getting into the callsigns/monikers.

It's no different than how we got a book called "The Greater Good" which detailed the Tau, GSC, and Guard--all of whom are groups who believe they are serving a greater good.

And it's still worth mentioning that the supposed Primaris 'leak' never really added up. There was a lot of discussion around it at the time where some folks noticed that it looked a lot like existing pictures of BA and UM forces from Chapter Approved or something, just with a blurry lens filter applied. It would be weird as hell for the purported starter set(which is what that was, in case you forget) to include two different armies in it.

And I'm really not buying GW producing Psychic Awakening books to bring Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves up to date for Phobos Marines and then turn around 3 months later and release another wave of Primaris Marines. They may be a little crazy, but not that crazy. I'd not expect another line of Primaris Marines until 2021, just in time for the new version of Codexes to incorporate all the Psychic Awakening updates plus new models.

 Kanluwen wrote:
"Pariah" means several things for 40k. It means outcasts(Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin friend qualify there), it means psychic nulls, and it also means the Necron shenanigans. And that's not even getting into the callsigns/monikers.

It's no different than how we got a book called "The Greater Good" which detailed the Tau, GSC, and Guard--all of whom are groups who believe they are serving a greater good.

And it's still worth mentioning that the supposed Primaris 'leak' never really added up. There was a lot of discussion around it at the time where some folks noticed that it looked a lot like existing pictures of BA and UM forces from Chapter Approved or something, just with a blurry lens filter applied. It would be weird as hell for the purported starter set(which is what that was, in case you forget) to include two different armies in it.

unless they included 2 differant primaris armies in it, which.. would be unusal.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
"Pariah" means several things for 40k. It means outcasts(Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin friend qualify there), it means psychic nulls, and it also means the Necron shenanigans. And that's not even getting into the callsigns/monikers.

It's no different than how we got a book called "The Greater Good" which detailed the Tau, GSC, and Guard--all of whom are groups who believe they are serving a greater good.

And it's still worth mentioning that the supposed Primaris 'leak' never really added up. There was a lot of discussion around it at the time where some folks noticed that it looked a lot like existing pictures of BA and UM forces from Chapter Approved or something, just with a blurry lens filter applied. It would be weird as hell for the purported starter set(which is what that was, in case you forget) to include two different armies in it.

unless they included 2 differant primaris armies in it, which.. would be unusal.

Can you imagine how much a certain segment of the userbase here would explode if that happened?

 Kanluwen wrote:
And it's still worth mentioning that the supposed Primaris 'leak' never really added up. There was a lot of discussion around it at the time where some folks noticed that it looked a lot like existing pictures of BA and UM forces from Chapter Approved or something, just with a blurry lens filter applied. It would be weird as hell for the purported starter set(which is what that was, in case you forget) to include two different armies in it.

I'll laugh if this becomes "it's obviously Milliput! Look at the different shades of grey!" 2.0

If the image you're referencing is this one then there was literally 0% chance it is depicting a new starter set.
Not only are there two Primaris forces, but they're both advancing in the same direction which means they aren't two halves of a starter box lined up in combat. Additionally there is what looks to be a multipart Redemptor Dreadnought, multipart Intercessor Squad, and the back of an Impulsor.
There's no way GW would release a starter set with 3 tanks and a dreadnought. That's more than even a battleforce.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
It would be exactly like GW to release a book series of lore changing campaigns that introduces new models and rules to the armies each book focused on, name one of them Pariah, feature Necrons, not release new rules or models for Necron Pariahs and instead release new Primaris models and rules.

If they do rerelease pariahs, I hope they lean harder into their nature as some kind of techno-flesh hybrid monstrosities, instead of what they looked like before which was just a slightly different type of necron.

Necron vs Inq/DW box to finish PA

Seeing DW is coming in WD supremely unlikely. Unlikely necrons or DW gets two things out of PA and as they are confirmed for PA9 and DW in WD...

It's pretty hilarious that anyone could think the leaked Primaris pic is a blurry photo of existing minis.

First Pariah fiction up.

Cool, seems like they're bringing back at least some of the spirit of old necron pariahs. Whether or not they're a similar incarnation (tbh, I hope they're not, the old incarnation looked far too similar to normal necrons to me) I am excited to see them.

They had one of the coolest core concepts (humans turned into an anti-psychic living cyborg weapon) and one of the weirdest executions (C-3P0s wielding laser Naginatas) of any 40k unit IMO.

Assuming that it's the same concept. That figure that grabbed her could have just been a normal warrior too.

I kind of like the idea of the pariahs being all the tertiary "chaf" citizens and xenos from various factions being turned into mind wiped obedient slave zombies for the necrons. Sort of like a mind wiped version of pox walkers. That would make for one amazing box set, if they had parts to make various mind slaved xenos.

I doubt very much that would happen though

It feels very eh to me. PA is meant to be in the past compared to other stories so nothing that big can happen.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Necron vs Inq/DW box to finish PA

They didn't even give them a book, and now you think they are going to be included in a boxed set?

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Necron vs Inq/DW box to finish PA

They didn't even give them a book, and now you think they are going to be included in a boxed set?

I mean, they showcased two new models for that PA, besides stern and her bf

 aracersss wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Necron vs Inq/DW box to finish PA

They didn't even give them a book, and now you think they are going to be included in a boxed set?

I mean, they showcased two new models for that PA, besides stern and her bf

A single model does not a boxed set make, if they were going to do something like that they would have made her exclusive like the new Orks vs SW set.

pm713 wrote:
It feels very eh to me. PA is meant to be in the past compared to other stories so nothing that big can happen.

People keep saying that (and truth be told I remember reading that somewhere as well) but do you know what the source is for that?

Jack Flask wrote:

pm713 wrote:
It feels very eh to me. PA is meant to be in the past compared to other stories so nothing that big can happen.

People keep saying that (and truth be told I remember reading that somewhere as well) but do you know what the source is for that?

Well, past or present. Stuff happening all over the galaxy as a result of the Cicatrix Maledictum in the period since Gathering Storm (a couple hundred years pre-"current-40K" and up to now).

Either way, it's not supposed to "move forward" or be the next Gathering Storm-style event. It's supposed to flesh out the last "big narrative event" from late 7th (e.g. the stage-setting for 8th) with "anthology-style" spotlights on whats been going on all over the galaxy because / after the story moved forward.

Jack Flask wrote:

pm713 wrote:
It feels very eh to me. PA is meant to be in the past compared to other stories so nothing that big can happen.

People keep saying that (and truth be told I remember reading that somewhere as well) but do you know what the source is for that?

I'm sure this is current timeline as well as the result is meant to be the next big turning point in the narrative direction.

So if Im reading today's WD preview accurately (and its a small not very hi-res image so its entirely possible I'm not), Harlequins get six pages.

That's not encouraging.

Sterling191 wrote:
So if Im reading today's WD preview accurately (and its a small not very hi-res image so its entirely possible I'm not), Harlequins get six pages.

That's not encouraging.

Six pages... two filled with pictures, two with fluff and talking about how the designers decided to revisit the Harlequins after a long time, etc. etc. Leaving two pages for new artifacts (I bet four...), new stratagems (Here I will say six), and new warlord traits. Boom! Mic drop.

The Tempestus got 5 pages, I'd perhaps look to that as a model?
Mix and match masques perhaps (rather than new Masques), to bring them in line with the other Eldar, then a few relics and strats.

Deathwatch got 6 pages as well so I would assume very similar

With so few pages I really have to ask why they couldn't be in Phoenix Rising. That way all the Eldar are in one place.

pm713 wrote:
With so few pages I really have to ask why they couldn't be in Phoenix Rising. That way all the Eldar are in one place.

That is for sure.