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2020/05/13 18:28:42
Subject: Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
bullyboy wrote: I still think you're giving CWE a low ball assessment. Wraith host armies much prefer the custom traits, shuriken heavy armies also. It's not all Night Spinners/CHE with Expert Crafters.
I do agree that Aspects need a lot more to compete in the new scene, which is surprising that they didn't address it when releasing plastic banshees/Jain Zar. How they feel that jain Zar should have 4 attacks is beyond me, that's basically a Primaris Sgt with shock assault.
Ynnari is OK...they got their full rules in the book....don't need to hunt down a WD now.
Drukhari is the only real loser in the book tbh.
All the Phoenix Lords have overall been lacking power for a long time.
Oh boy have they. I don't think they've been competitive since 2nd ed, when most of them had spare wargear slots to load up with buffs like displacer fields and combat drugs. Plus they had 3 exarch powers, oh the days when karandras and maugan were T6.
The current lack of invulnerable save is a relic of 4th ed where they got immunity to instant death so you had to whittle them down, which wasn't a bad way to represent the energy infused suit of armour they are (like the new eltharion). But now there's no rule to reflect that, they're just BAD. at least previously with high initiative their defence was to strike first and kill, or use eternal warrior to survive return attacks and kill on the next round...
Now they're just BAD space marine captains they inexplicably cost more than marine captains...
They should have that rule that Ghaz has where you can only inflict so much damage on them at a time.
Maybe per turn instead of per phase, as I don't think Phoenix Lords has as many wounds as Ghaz. That should make them a little more durable.
At least the Harlequins rules suggest they can do good Eldar material. I think the roles are great ways to add potency to a fairly bland list.
The harlequin characters look to be quite good now. The strategem to add a role means you can have a Solitaire with -1 to hit, 3++ and. And blitz which puts it closer to what it should be.
To be honest, until they redo aspects and exarchs to what they should be, Phoenix lords are going to keep sucking. When an exarch is still worse than a primaris sergeant you've got crappy design. Lack of initiative this edition, insistence on keeping exarchs as squad leaders rather than the independent characters they used to be that were one man ninja armies, will keep aspects mediocre.
Looking back at the 2nd Ed, the Eldar had more t6 special characters than all the marine codices combined - they had 3, Mangan, karandras and eldrad while the only t6 marine was mephiston...
Good lord, can you even IMAGINE the level of nerdrage if they released an eldar model with T6 that isn't a wraith unit? You still get people raging that stuff like the Kelermorph is "immersion breaking" because his pistols "invalidate bolt pistols" despite their fluff being more like something the admech would have than some kind of modified bolt pistol.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2020/05/13 18:53:36
Subject: Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
The new rules seem awefully good for the DJ. Already one of my favorite characters in the game. Still, I would prefer a set of standard abilities that one could kit out from a codex rather than this bonus card drip release power creep method. Maybe the sales people report low figures for DJ models, so the rules guys figure something out, until everything gets so bloated that they have to start over.
SamusDrake wrote: This is wishful thinking, but it would be great if they had a new Death Jester variant model in the next preview. Its the only Harlequin model that gets repetitive beyond two and they then look like background extras from Hitchcock's The Birds!
Go on ebay and get the old metal one. All the 2nd ed era death jester models are gold - one of them has a big goofy gangster coat and two pistols, and one of them has the ammo for his shieker in a big doofy skull on his back.
Also sometimes even minor converting can make a model look wildly different. I don't know how viable it is for a Death Jester, but I had done it with Cairn Wraiths by simply trimming a bit of the connecting point on the arms that poked out from under their shrouds.
Serious question--is there an alternate weapon option for a Death Jester? Cause I'd be down for another model if there is.
This is a DJ/autarch made from old metal stuff that could be used as a DJ without the wings:
Regarding Exarch powers, in pretty much all of the cases, 4 are pointless, one is ok... But none of them do abything with the inherent problems of aspect warriors being T3 1W infantry in the game where things like primaris marines are a the new base line. Same with traits, pretty everything apart from expert Crafters /masterful shots/concealment is wasted paper. Also Did the CHE really need a buff followed by a price hike?
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From what ive seen all of the quin stuff has utility and can be built on without hamstringing your entire army. I've been considering souping in quins as a contingent. And harlequins are a minor supplement level army I'm sorry to say (compared to CWE/DE). There only so many units they can get before it stops making sense. Bottom line is they got more in 4 pages of WD rules then a lot of factions got in an entire hard back book...
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I'm certainly looking to soup in some quins now
Agreed on every point. Harlequin should be a supplementary force, not a stand-alone army, but a complement to either Dark or Craftworld Eldar or others imho.
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2020/05/13 21:55:15
Subject: Re:Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
Maugan Ra is definitely a candidate for a DJ, being skull and bones and all that jazz. Wish I had kept my old Reapers from way back, especially that 3rd Edition Exarch...
For smaller sized games, I'm glad the Harlequins are a faction. Model wise they are very cost effective and for £50 the Troupe and Starweaver kits are not too far off a Start Collecting set, and are a good start for a patrol detachment. Then the Codex is a bit cheaper than the other ones in the range, and you only need a WD for the PA rules. Also, the Troupe kit alone provides a full 100 pt Kill Team...happy days!
I've mentioned this a few times before, and its to expand the Harlequin Codex to include the Ynnari rules. A Harlequin player can expand into larger games, while Ynnari players would only need a single codex book to get started.
Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.
2020/05/13 23:04:31
Subject: Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I mean at least Maugan is slightly usable, with slightly being his KEYWORD
I think the old Skull-with-a-side-of-skulls chap is actualy a decent character. Synergies very well with a dark reapers and I have run him with MSU so that I dont have to take an autarch in the same detachment etc.. Its only a re-roll 1s aura, but its as good as we get and unlike autarchs it doesnt care about craftworld trait... (guide only applies to one unit and you gotta roll for it and can be denied). Hes just far toooo expensive at the moment. He needs to be about 100 pts to be a reasonable chocie and even then... However as things stand hes great fun to use.
Overall yes.. sadly the PL's, aspects and exarchs are in a very sorry state.
The Quins rules look really good. Certainly bit envious there but at least its units I could potentially use. Been meaning to run a cheeky supreme command to get a solitaire in. Now finally might be the time
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
sorry to reopen this now dying thread, but have to laugh at this last statement with all we currently know!
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
sorry to reopen this now dying thread, but have to laugh at this last statement with all we currently know!
It's also funny, we've seen that some of the hints we've gotten take on a new meaning as well. The "Who now will stand against Chaos? Be careful what you wish for..." for instance.
sorry to reopen this now dying thread, but have to laugh at this last statement with all we currently know!
Bah, a lucky fluke! This will go to your head so much you'll all be predicting that Engine War and a Start Collecting AdMech will be up for preorder next saturday...
sorry to reopen this now dying thread, but have to laugh at this last statement with all we currently know!
Bah, a lucky fluke! This will go to your head so much you'll all be predicting that Engine War and a Start Collecting AdMech will be up for preorder next saturday...
nah, Engine War and War of the Spider have zero interest for me.
2020/05/25 14:42:31
Subject: Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
Dude was able to dissect a Hrud. Pretty impressive, given that a dead Hrud usually ages/liquifies pretty quick. I guess the guy in that Xenology was able to dissect one too, but still nice that the bendy bois get a shout out
2020/05/25 15:53:07
Subject: Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
Tastyfish wrote: Picture there has one of the new Skorptek Destroyers with a bit of Blackstone on them.
I wonder if Pariah will have the full set of Necron datasheets, an update alternative to the new codex in the way Viligus burns was for Chaos?
I'm guessing Necrons will be the first new codex for 9E. It looks like they're adding way too much stuff, and the comments GW has made thus far suggest to me that it's not coming down with Pariah.
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Dude was able to dissect a Hrud. Pretty impressive, given that a dead Hrud usually ages/liquifies pretty quick. I guess the guy in that Xenology was able to dissect one too, but still nice that the bendy bois get a shout out
Well now it seems we now know what Szeras and his patron (Silent King?) are up to and also that not all agree with the accelerated version of the plan. GW is basically going with the Great Work plan from previous Necron background, where the Necrons expand their network of warp dampening pylons to seal off the galaxy from the warp, which in the process also seems to dampen the psychic potential and maybe will to resist from races with warp potential. Only it seems Szeras has sped up the plan and now the Imperium has noticed.
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yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
sorry to reopen this now dying thread, but have to laugh at this last statement with all we currently know!
Necrons have a role to play, but I don't think it's the role of "the big bad" for 9th edition. Every psychic awakening book makes someone sound like the antagonistic focus against the imperium. Necrons will be in the box set, it makes sense from a marketing standpoint because of all the new models, but I don't think the focus will follow them much further than that. I hope I'm severely mistaken though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: From everything I've seen, I'm a little worried necrons are going to wind up with half measures to fix the problems in the codex instead of creative rule writing/re-writing.
Not enough anti-tank & anti-monster weapons? Here's a quadruped walker with a tame version of the doomsday cannon.
Too slow on the battlefield? Warriors get a shorter range assault weapon.
You aren't able to create a decent close combat force? Skorpek destroyers.
Monolith is too expensive and underwhelming? Let's slap deathrays on it.
Like I said, I'm only a little worried. I'm hopeful we'll get a reworked version of tombworld deployment, reanimation protocols, and dynastic codes. I just can't shake the nagging feeling that GW are banking on new plastic to sell instead of well tested, interesting, and fully thought out rules.
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yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
sorry to reopen this now dying thread, but have to laugh at this last statement with all we currently know!
Necrons have a role to play, but I don't think it's the role of "the big bad" for 9th edition. Every psychic awakening book makes someone sound like the antagonistic focus against the imperium. Necrons will be in the box set, it makes sense from a marketing standpoint because of all the new models, but I don't think the focus will follow them much further than that. I hope I'm severely mistaken though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: From everything I've seen, I'm a little worried necrons are going to wind up with half measures to fix the problems in the codex instead of creative rule writing/re-writing.
Not enough anti-tank & anti-monster weapons? Here's a quadruped walker with a tame version of the doomsday cannon.
Too slow on the battlefield? Warriors get a shorter range assault weapon.
You aren't able to create a decent close combat force? Skorpek destroyers.
Monolith is too expensive and underwhelming? Let's slap deathrays on it.
Like I said, I'm only a little worried. I'm hopeful we'll get a reworked version of tombworld deployment, reanimation protocols, and dynastic codes. I just can't shake the nagging feeling that GW are banking on new plastic to sell instead of well tested, interesting, and fully thought out rules.
Everything so far really points to Necrons being the Antagonist of this edition. The most recent Short Story pretty painted that the Szeras has been behind almost all of the problems associated with the psychic awakening, at the behest of his Patron. With the Introduction of the Silent King, and what appears to be his Dynasty, they are really setting the stage for Necrons to be the villians now. This is similar to how Chaos took the stage for 8th, and I would not be surprised if toward the end of the edition they start setting the stage for the Nids.
As for half measures, no one can really say at this point. I don't think they are creating these models as half measures to fix the Army. The reality is the Army has really only been at the bottom of the barrel with it's 8th edition Codex and it's 3rd edition through part of 5th. Throught the rest of the Lifespan it's been anywhere from Dominant, to in really good shape.
There seems to have been a lot of effort and thought put into this release, so I am optimistic that the Developers put a little extra time into the development Codex. They have surely been aware of the issues plaguing the most recent dex.
Necrons being 'the big bad' started with "The Fall of Cadia", when Trazyn abducted Creed.
It then continued on with "Forgebane", which revealed that Belisarius Cawl and the Necrons have basically been engaged in a war the whole dang time of the Indomitus Crusade for the material known as "Blackstone".
Vigilus played a part in that, where the AdMech found blackstone that wasn't under Necron control.
2020/06/21 19:08:49
Subject: Re:Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
So, it's finally coming out but looks very thin for rules. Inquisitors, Stern/Kyganil and Szeras being the only actual rules in the book with the rest filled with new mission content. However, if these missions don't have 9th in mind, they will be pretty much DOA. Hopefully we'll get more info this week.
2020/06/21 22:02:59
Subject: Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
bullyboy wrote: So, it's finally coming out but looks very thin for rules. Inquisitors, Stern/Kyganil and Szeras being the only actual rules in the book with the rest filled with new mission content. However, if these missions don't have 9th in mind, they will be pretty much DOA. Hopefully we'll get more info this week.
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Its going to be like every other PA book with strats, traits and etc.
So yes, it'll be thin, but that's true for every single PA book
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2020/06/21 22:20:25
Subject: Re:Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
Not really one to go along with hyperbole, but Bullyboy might be right.
Pariah includes the details of Humanity’s horrific battles within the Pariah Nexus, along with new missions to let you recreate the key battles of the war. There are rules for using the Inquisition in Warhammer 40,000 including datasheets, Stratagems, Warlord Traits, the Telethesia psychic discipline, and now it’s easier than ever for them to join Imperium forces. You’ll also get access to new Theatres of War rules. These recreate conflicts from the Psychic Awakening series that let you fight everywhere from perilous jungles to devoured worlds.
Pariah features datasheets for four heroes and villains of the 41st Millennium. First up is Illuminor Szeras, the genius/maniac (delete as applicable) behind Necron biotransference. Now he stalks the galaxy seeking the secrets of life and new ways to augment Necron technology. He’s been working on his own body since we last saw him – it’s now larger, features some mysterious blackstone, and grants him the ability to manipulate energy at the atomic level.
Compare to War of the Spider:
Spoiler:
Fabius is the titular character in War of the Spider, the next book in the galaxy-spanning Psychic Awakening storyline. He returns to the ruins of Cadia,*** hunted by the Death Guard and Imperial agents. This would be too much for many people, but they don’t call him the Spider for nothing, so we’ll see who’s actually falling into who’s trap. The book has rules for the Death Guard, Adeptus Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Imperial Assassins and Creations of Bile, a new way of playing Chaos Space Marines. Keep your eyes on the Warhammer Community website as we’ll be revealing some of these rules throughout the week. War of the Spider is available as in hardback and ePub formats as well as a deluxe collector’s edition, which includes short stories and a soft touch cover.
Engine War:
Spoiler:
The latest entry in the ongoing Psychic Awakening series updates no fewer than four factions with new rules, background material, and missions to play out the events. The focus has been on the Adeptus Mechanicus, because they have a slew of new models, but this book also covers Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights, and Chaos Daemons – including the latest units for Slaanesh!
This is a must-have tome for collectors of Adeptus Mechanicus, Knights of all kinds, and Chaos armies. Speaking of which, the sumptuously appointed collector’s edition is the best way to show your loyalty. It includes the same stunning black-on-black presentation we’ve seen with the rest of the Psychic Awakening books, plus the four short stories that were first published here printed inside!
I hope it isn't just Inquisition, but this might be a bit of another pointer for a new Necron book sooner rather than later.
2020/06/21 23:10:24
Subject: Re:Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
I have to agree. The conspicuous absent of a statement saying there will be rules for Necrons means there will not be rules for Necrons. That will make Necrons the only army to not get any Psychic Awakening content. The best deduction from that is that a new Codex Necrons is imminent.
My guess, Codex Necrons by the end of August.
2020/06/21 23:28:54
Subject: Re:Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
yeah, I was just going by the article. Didn't mention sisters content, other factions etc. Might be wrong, I was just going by what i saw. I'm still getting it because I'm intrigued with the ending of PA and want Stern/Kyganil and Inquisitor, but I hope the missions will carry over with new edition.
2020/06/21 23:44:07
Subject: Psychic Awakening: Pariah & DW/Harlis in White Dwarf.
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