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Not Online!!! wrote:
So, how Long until people state that the Explosion in Beirut was an Inside job?

They're already calling it an Israeli nuke.

 Laughing Man wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
So, how Long until people state that the Explosion in Beirut was an Inside job?

They're already calling it an Israeli nuke.

Who ?

I mean that Israel gets brought up is clear Cut what with the history of the Region but a nuke

Why would Israel use a nuke? They could have just launched a rocket or used artillery and no one would say boo about it.

Not Online!!! wrote:
So, how Long until people state that the Explosion in Beirut was an Inside job?

I've already seen people do it, mostly by saying "that stuff doesn't explode on its own". I have no idea if that is true, or if its holds true when talking about thousands of tons of the stuff.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Why would Israel use a nuke? They could have just launched a rocket or used artillery and no one would say boo about it.

I would have thought the most immediately stupid part of that idea was that a nuke would already have left detectable and descernable radiation and would have been a much MUCH bigger blast. You can't secretly nuke things. It doesn't work. Russia and the US both tried and failed to hide nuclear test/disasters and it never works because the aftermath is too detectable.

Propperly stored, maintained by Trained personel, Stuff shouldn't explode, thing is shouldn't...
Human error can allways happen, think Off munitionsfactories etc.
And neither Off the above was a given.

Yeah, incredibly unlikely to have been a Nuclear weapon. One suspects the very first thing, following an explosion on that scale, would be to whip out the old Geiger Counter to establish it wasn’t, as the ongoing health risk of fallout would require different actions entirely.

So, like all “good” Conspiracy Theories, it falls at the first jump. There’s also the question of “even if it was, what advantage is to be had by the target country covering it up?”.

Especially given who the nutters claim to be behind it. There are agendas in that region which would be all over the merest shred of evidence that Israel had lobbed a Nuke at any target, let alone a civilian target.

So confident we can rule out a nuke.

Further thoughts on the Epstein Debacle. It’s also important to remember that that sort of organised thing is proven, through successful prosecutions, to occur at all levels of society. Rich, Poor, every level.

The U.K. equivalent, which lead to Operation Yewtree etc demonstrated not a conspiracy among the rich and powerful, but a wider society prepared, at the time, to turn a blind eye to it. Talking about it, even (possibly especially) as a victim was seen as taboo. Law enforcement was lackadaisical, and rarely took reports all that seriousness.

This lead more or less directly to Metoo. A movement to highlight just how widespread such things, regardless of the age of a given victim, are in our society.

There were two explosions, it was most likely not a weapon, and almost certainly not a nuclear weapon. The explosion looks similar to a MOAB I'll add, but that is easily explained as it was a pressurised explosion.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There were two explosions, it was most likely not a weapon, and almost certainly not a nuclear weapon. The explosion looks similar to a MOAB I'll add, but that is easily explained as it was a pressurised explosion.

Deflagration initially as the fuel for the bigger one.
i mean it is not unlikely

To be honest, considering the reports coming out, and the fact it was at a port with a lot going on, I'd imagine if it was terrorism/an attack the most likely outcome is that it was sabotage of the ammonium nitrate store... Also, and this is important, the colour of the smoke/vapour after the explosion indicates it most certainly was an ammonium nitrate explosion, not a weapon, it's a fairly unique side effect of the chemical exploding.

Interesting factoid endless.

There's also not the kind of thermal flash a nuclear weapon would produce. Really the only checkbox the explosion ticks is "big boom".

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There's also not the kind of thermal flash a nuclear weapon would produce. Really the only checkbox the explosion ticks is "big boom".

That might be part of why people jump to 'nuke'. Even people who've seen explosions have probably never seen one that freaking massive and it might be hard to rationalize that simple chemicals can produce such a huge blast.

Here's a before and after in this article from Guardian by the way, and damn is the after insane.

It is an odd thing. But then, most explosions people are likely to see either involve very, very small amounts of explosives (individual terror attacks on TV, fireworks etc), or ridiculously well planned (demolitions, pyrotechnics in films).

Given the staggering amount of AN involved here, it’s really difficult to get a handle on.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Not to mention that what has been dubbed the "pence-effect" will probably longterm damage efforts to equalize.

Dare I ask what the Pence Effect is meant to be?

 Dysartes wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Not to mention that what has been dubbed the "pence-effect" will probably longterm damage efforts to equalize.

Dare I ask what the Pence Effect is meant to be?

Pence refuses to have any sort of meeting- even business meetings- alone with a woman, even in public.
https://www.investmentnews.com/pence-effect-in-metoo-era-men-go-to-extremes-and-women-pay-the-price-77247

Basically it quickly became a form of exclusion and discrimination to avoid the possibility of sexual harassment lawsuits.

 Dysartes wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Not to mention that what has been dubbed the "pence-effect" will probably longterm damage efforts to equalize.

Dare I ask what the Pence Effect is meant to be?

basically , goes back , oh wonder, to pence.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/a-wall-street-rule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost

Basically, leading personel is not willing to mentor upstarts of the other gender in order to not get accused of something later on.

is that effect felt, i don't know, atleast nationaly over here not really, but then again over here metoo wasn't really a thing.
There's a complete difference with multinational companies though, which indeed show sometimes such avoidance behaviour..

Well hey, I do believe that’s a political hot potato. So, uhh, let’s just drop that particular convo?

Next Conspiracy Theory for discussion? It’s a classic, and a doozy....

Chem Trails. Or, as they actually are, vapour trails of jet aircraft.

Right, off you go!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well hey, I do believe that’s a political hot potato. So, uhh, let’s just drop that particular convo?

Next Conspiracy Theory for discussion? It’s a classic, and a doozy....

Chem Trails. Or, as they actually are, vapour trails of jet aircraft.

Right, off you go!

Well, how else are you meant to make clouds?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well hey, I do believe that’s a political hot potato. So, uhh, let’s just drop that particular convo?

Next Conspiracy Theory for discussion? It’s a classic, and a doozy....

Chem Trails. Or, as they actually are, vapour trails of jet aircraft.

Right, off you go!

Well, how else are you meant to make clouds?

Well, going by your avatar, obviously the Weather Factory.

Voss wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well hey, I do believe that’s a political hot potato. So, uhh, let’s just drop that particular convo?

Next Conspiracy Theory for discussion? It’s a classic, and a doozy....

Chem Trails. Or, as they actually are, vapour trails of jet aircraft.

Right, off you go!

Well, how else are you meant to make clouds?

Well, going by your avatar, obviously the Weather Factory.

Haha, well played!

Though unfortunately the pegasi seem to have vanished (no doubt due to machinations by Big-Aero) and we are forced to resort to technological means.

Bad joke incoming!


He has tainted me, as soon as chemical conspiracies show up all i hear is his voice claiming somewhere chemicals = making something wrong...

He’s always on about those frogs.


I wonder if seeing The Muppets Take Manhattan awoke something in him as a young man.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
He’s always on about those frogs.


I wonder if seeing The Muppets Take Manhattan awoke something in him as a young man.

Maybee they put chemicals in him to Turn him autistic?
Like ya know the anti vaxers might be onto something there

Obvious joke is obvious.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Why would Israel use a nuke? They could have just launched a rocket or used artillery and no one would say boo about it.

Coworker of mine has a set up at his stall where he and the other used car tech both just live stream politics and/or baseball. . . All. Day. Long.

Anyhow, within about 15-20 minutes of the explosion story breaking in the first place, he comes up and tells us (while getting a part) that apparently on Twitter, Israel's PM, Netanyahu had tweeted out claiming that it was indeed a tactical strike by Israel. . . But weirdly, according to my co-worker, the tweet claimed that Israel had launched the attack in order to destroy a nuclear device illegally obtained by other forces in the area (ie, Hezbollah)

Which begs the question. . . Does Israel's PM have a twitter and know how to use it, or is this an account similar to a "DonaldJTrump" style deep-fake parody account, or was the genuine account hacked?

I’m pretty sure that, if Israel or Mossad knew about a terrorist group with a nuclear device, they would have struck a lot harder, struck multiple targets whether they needed to or not, and made sure the whole world knew that they had stopped some terrorists from nuking your city, and here’s how they knew, and here’s how you can repay them, and you’re welcome.

So, for something fairly more light hearted.

Tupac Shakur...

Is he living in Cuba with his aunt after faking his own death? Did Suge Knight pay off corrupt police officers to kill off his record labels biggest star after Tupac threatened leaving due to a bad record deal? Was it the Notorious B.I.G. who orchestrated the killing?

One of the, if not the biggest pop culture conspiracy theories in recent times.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I’m pretty sure that, if Israel or Mossad knew about a terrorist group with a nuclear device, they would have struck a lot harder, struck multiple targets whether they needed to or not, and made sure the whole world knew that they had stopped some terrorists from nuking your city, and here’s how they knew, and here’s how you can repay them, and you’re welcome.

It's also incredibly difficult to steal/obtain a nuke. There are unaccounted for nuclear weapons in the world but not many and all are old...

The fact non hardened cell phones and cameras kept recording during the explosion with no EMP is enough evidence it isn't a nuke.

ANFO makes an excellent explosive. AN is terrible stuff to store. Industrial accidents happen.

There isn't any space for a conspiracy theory.

Kayback wrote:
The fact non hardened cell phones and cameras kept recording during the explosion with no EMP is enough evidence it isn't a nuke.

ANFO makes an excellent explosive. AN is terrible stuff to store. Industrial accidents happen.

There isn't any space for a conspiracy theory.

That hasn0t deterred people , like, ever for a conspiracy theory

Dropped and smashed my iPad last night.

Clearly the doing of Chem Trails and Big Pharma.

Definitely not the surfeit of fine ale.

Not Online!!! wrote:


That hasn0t deterred people , like, ever for a conspiracy theory

Oh I'll happily admit that, was just saying.