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Matt Swain wrote: I wish i'd known to make my DDA pilotless, that driver could have made a good figure for a cryptek or lord.
Speaking of the silent king, some thought on his big video:
Everyone talks about how huge TSK is but he wasn't so huge compared to the mechanical necrons to his left when they showed the biotransferance scene. He looked huge compared to the figures in his boat has he sailed off into the void.
But those figures looked like the living necrontyr we'd seen earlier, not the hulking mechanical ones.
Could TSK have taken some living necrontyr who escaped biotransfer somehow with him when he left the galaxy?
I wonder what they would mean. Hmm, TSK takes living necrontyr out of this galaxy for some reason. About 60 million years later tyranids start coming to this galaxy. Connections...?
I think it's pretty well established that all necrontyr were forcibly turned into Necrons, as the Silent King didn't realize what they had lost in the process long after everyone had been sent to be converted. It also seems counterintuitive that the Silent King would leave in exile with living Necrontyr, when his main goal was to eventually transfer the Necron race back into suitable living bodies. If they had Necrontyr bodies still available, given their advanced science which would likely include mass cloning capabilities, why wouldn't they just transfer back into their original Necrontyr bodies?
The problem is that the fluff saying why the Silent King left is similar to that in 40K about the Heresy:written from a 3rd person perspective and/or based on what that universe “knows”. Not a truth as such. Whereas the first person Heresy novels present a truth.
We’ve got snippets of SK fluff in White Dwarf along with Psychic Awakening stuff, all of which is first person but vague.
My thinking is that we know the last time there was a big psychic event in the galaxy - Pharos going bang - it drew a new race to the galaxy - probably the Tyranids. Maybe PA brings a new wave. Maybe there’s something in the “Tyranids being chased and fleeing something” theory and that’s the SK and whatever he has. I don’t think that’s Pariahs tbh because ultimately if you stick one of those in front of 100 guardsmen they kill it. GW is still pushing the idea of Necrons abducting humans en masse again. Food ? The Imperium can vat grow a human so presumably they need those people for something more.
Maybe the SK has gone mad having been largely alone for millennia ?
My feeling is this is all leading to 9th.
2020/05/14 07:46:26
Subject: Re:The Return of the Silent King - May 23rd
I truly hope any new vehicles remove the inspid cockpits.
I also hope for better flayed ones - great concept with bad models - and for, finally, warriors that do not have the heads attached to the sprue by the cheeks.
Lovely. This is the reason I haven't build my doomscythe in the 5 years since I bought it. I NEED that part. Unfortunately I don't have a 3D printer.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: There are also technological warfare reasons not to bother with a canopy.
First? What is a canopy? What is it’s main purpose?
In a high speed or high altitude fighter, it’s to maintain a stable environment for the pilot.
Yeah, Necrons don’t exactly care for that. Indeed, the fluff for the Night and Doom Scythe explain that the mechanical body renders them immune to G-LOC etc, enabling the fighter capable of manoeuvres (why is that word so hard to spell!) that’d kill a mortal pilot.
So a decent chunk of a canopy’s purpose just isn’t required
Next? Oh cool. You’ve made your canopy out of bullet proof glass, or it’s 40k equivalent. No small consideration for sure.
Except......War in Heaven. Races with incomprehensible technological or psychic ability, knocking seven bells out of each other. Can.....can anyone design a canopy to deal with that? I mean, when you can snuff out or create Suns on a whim? Would any kind of canopy actually serve a purpose against even small arms of such calibre?
So why not remove it. Lower that weight just a fraction. Gain that fraction as speed and manoeuvrability in trade?
It’s very, very unlikely that the Necrontyr, let alone Necrons, faced anything so mundane as ballistic or even las weapons in their heyday.
I don’t mind the model as is with the exposed pilot, but the biggest reason technologically I can see to put a cockpit canopy on there is aerodynamics. The open cockpit area would cause a lot of air resistance as it would like trap the air in as it flies.
The Night Shroud isn't boring. If you don't want your canopy / armor plating to not be boring just add detail to it. Better than a gaping hole for all the world to shoot into.
I also hope for better flayed ones - great concept with bad models - and for, finally, warriors that do not have the heads attached to the sprue by the cheeks.
The flayed ones are indeed a disaster. Warriors are fine though. The only problems are the transparent tubes, which were interesting to look at at first, but are actually a bit of a bother assembly wise. If you don't have the muzzle perfectly aligned, or if it ever comes loose, you are going to lose that tube. Which will result in that warrior looking like crap, because now there's an obvious missing part. Gauss Cannons handled it better, as the tubes sit in their nice little compartments and aren't going to get knocked loose anytime soon.
Warriors could also use some sort of connection point between their spine and the torso indentation, as right now they have a tendency to slump over too much. I get that its so you can pose it how you want, but I personally found it irritating to fiddle with, as it never turns out right in the end.
Except......War in Heaven. Races with incomprehensible technological or psychic ability, knocking seven bells out of each other. Can.....can anyone design a canopy to deal with that? I mean, when you can snuff out or create Suns on a whim? Would any kind of canopy actually serve a purpose against even small arms of such calibre?
Yes? You know that necron vehicles are also made out of living metal, right? If that material is durable enough to be used on literally everything just fine, then its durable enough to cover up the interior of your craft, thereby preventing enemies from shooting into it.
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Peace through power!
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Yeah, its unlikely wraiths are going to be redone. Flayed Ones might be redone though as they are finecast and GW is trying to slowly redo the finecast range.
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
I think new warriors, for posing, could take some inspiration from the old metal necron raiders. They had some more upright, less decrepit looking poses. Then redo the gun to look like a single barrel gauss blaster.
The biggest question is can they, after 4 codexes, finally make flayed ones actually worth considering taking in a game?
Most ugent updates are probably Destroyers, Flayed Ones and Warriors. The Monolith has not aged well, but the Obelisk makes for an easy proxy. That said, I'd love for GW to provide a proper new Monolith with gate and all.
Imagine that your body was failing you, so your consciousness was transferred into an android body.
Now imagine you need to pop down the shops. Would you refuse to get in the car because it's silly for a machine to pilot a machine?
An AI created by Necrons to control a machine would not be the same thing as the mind that is controlling their bodies. The former would be a computer program like any race can make, the latter is the consciousness of a once-living creature. If you ask why necron vehicles aren't controlled by AI, you should ask the same for all the other races.
You could argue that a Necron should have their consciousness transferred into a vehicle rather than climb into the drivers seat, but it has been long established in their fluff that repeated transference into new bodies degrades the mind.
The "Necrons shouldn't pilot vehicles" nonsense is based on the assumption that there is no difference between a Necron, and a machine created by a Necron. That's not true, AFAIK they can't make new Necrons- only replacement bodies.
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Moscha wrote: For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?
2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???
June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed
8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.
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BertBert wrote: Most ugent updates are probably Destroyers, Flayed Ones and Warriors. The Monolith has not aged well, but the Obelisk makes for an easy proxy. That said, I'd love for GW to provide a proper new Monolith with gate and all.
Honestly, the finecast all needs to go before we look at the plastics. Flayed Ones, the C'Tan, the rest of the characters.
I'd love to see a monolith refresh, not because the model needs it, but because that's the only way it'll ever get some half-decent rules.
Matt Swain wrote: I wish i'd known to make my DDA pilotless, that driver could have made a good figure for a cryptek or lord.
Speaking of the silent king, some thought on his big video:
Everyone talks about how huge TSK is but he wasn't so huge compared to the mechanical necrons to his left when they showed the biotransferance scene. He looked huge compared to the figures in his boat has he sailed off into the void.
But those figures looked like the living necrontyr we'd seen earlier, not the hulking mechanical ones.
Could TSK have taken some living necrontyr who escaped biotransfer somehow with him when he left the galaxy?
I wonder what they would mean. Hmm, TSK takes living necrontyr out of this galaxy for some reason. About 60 million years later tyranids start coming to this galaxy. Connections...?
I think it's pretty well established that all necrontyr were forcibly turned into Necrons, as the Silent King didn't realize what they had lost in the process long after everyone had been sent to be converted. It also seems counterintuitive that the Silent King would leave in exile with living Necrontyr, when his main goal was to eventually transfer the Necron race back into suitable living bodies. If they had Necrontyr bodies still available, given their advanced science which would likely include mass cloning capabilities, why wouldn't they just transfer back into their original Necrontyr bodies?
Or given you have millennia you could, you know, just do it the old fashioned way. I mean, they got nothing but time
I actually the warrior models, in terms of looks. I wish they were reposed because they don't sit very well on their original base sizes, and they they have such limited poses they look a big samey.
I like the green tubes, although I know I am in a distinct minority on that. I can't imagine any new kits will have them. they haven't made a new production kit with them AFAIK since... pre 2011?
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Grimskul wrote: I think it's pretty well established that all necrontyr were forcibly turned into Necrons, as the Silent King didn't realize what they had lost in the process long after everyone had been sent to be converted. It also seems counterintuitive that the Silent King would leave in exile with living Necrontyr, when his main goal was to eventually transfer the Necron race back into suitable living bodies. If they had Necrontyr bodies still available, given their advanced science which would likely include mass cloning capabilities, why wouldn't they just transfer back into their original Necrontyr bodies?
Or given you have millennia you could, you know, just do it the old fashioned way. I mean, they got nothing but time
Well, I think that whole plot point is so contrived, to the point of nonsense. "Suitable bodies?" Why would they not be able to devise whatever a suitable body is? Especially given so much time.
This is all part of why most of the ret-con is not well done to me. I really dislike that whole contrived notion of it being the Deceiver who hoodwinks the Silent King. Of course, the Deceiver does hoodwink the Necrontyr, but only in the sense of a Monkey's Paw, where he gives them exactly what they asked for. That aside, I think it is silly to consider Living Metal and Bio-Transference to be anything but C'Tan "magic." That is, reversing the Bio-Transference is not possible, not because they lost the technology, but because it was never technically possible in the first place. It was simply C'Tan magic that did it, in the guise of a technological process. Same reason why they can't just "make" more Necrons. It's not something do-able, technologically. So, I think it is silly for there to be this plot point of "suitable bodies." No, you sold yourself into Undeath in pursuit of victory, now you get to deal with the consequences. The Silent King can lament the choice. Can pine for a reverse Bio-Transference. But it has nothing to do with a lack of "suitable bodies."
Frankly, I'd be perfectly happy if there is no Silent King model at all and no new/redone kits, aside getting all the resin stuff out of the line once and for all. The rest is all serviceable, frankly.
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Matt Swain wrote: I wish i'd known to make my DDA pilotless, that driver could have made a good figure for a cryptek or lord.
Speaking of the silent king, some thought on his big video:
Everyone talks about how huge TSK is but he wasn't so huge compared to the mechanical necrons to his left when they showed the biotransferance scene. He looked huge compared to the figures in his boat has he sailed off into the void.
But those figures looked like the living necrontyr we'd seen earlier, not the hulking mechanical ones.
Could TSK have taken some living necrontyr who escaped biotransfer somehow with him when he left the galaxy?
I wonder what they would mean. Hmm, TSK takes living necrontyr out of this galaxy for some reason. About 60 million years later tyranids start coming to this galaxy. Connections...?
I think it's pretty well established that all necrontyr were forcibly turned into Necrons, as the Silent King didn't realize what they had lost in the process long after everyone had been sent to be converted. It also seems counterintuitive that the Silent King would leave in exile with living Necrontyr, when his main goal was to eventually transfer the Necron race back into suitable living bodies. If they had Necrontyr bodies still available, given their advanced science which would likely include mass cloning capabilities, why wouldn't they just transfer back into their original Necrontyr bodies?
I'm commenting on what the video showed, the figures in the boat looked like the living necrontyr ones.
Or given you have millennia you could, you know, just do it the old fashioned way. I mean, they got nothing but time
Well, with only a few living Necrontyr to reproduce, that family tree would start looking like a ladder really quickly.
The necrontyr original bodies were horribly bad, that's why they were talked into biotransferannce. They don't want to go back to them. Maybe szerakh was looking for ways to fix the problems with their bodies in another galaxy.
I'm not going to argue fopr the figures being live necrontyr in the boat, I'msaying the video make it look like they were the same type figures seen as living necrontyr.
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Moscha wrote: For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?
2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???
June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed
8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.
Except they didn't...
Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.
6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.
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Um even the most pessimistic rumour mongers are saying this isn’t a Completely new edition. It’s just a cleanup edition. Think of it like a big faq.
Third edition had a similar refresh w multiple codexs and changes to core rules along the way.
8th mimicks 3rd in a lot of ways... a giant index of rules and multiple codexs and alternate rules with the introduction of sets like city fight etc. I don’t expect much to change
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Grimskul wrote: I think it's pretty well established that all necrontyr were forcibly turned into Necrons, as the Silent King didn't realize what they had lost in the process long after everyone had been sent to be converted. It also seems counterintuitive that the Silent King would leave in exile with living Necrontyr, when his main goal was to eventually transfer the Necron race back into suitable living bodies. If they had Necrontyr bodies still available, given their advanced science which would likely include mass cloning capabilities, why wouldn't they just transfer back into their original Necrontyr bodies?
Or given you have millennia you could, you know, just do it the old fashioned way. I mean, they got nothing but time
Well, I think that whole plot point is so contrived, to the point of nonsense. "Suitable bodies?" Why would they not be able to devise whatever a suitable body is? Especially given so much time.
This is all part of why most of the ret-con is not well done to me. I really dislike that whole contrived notion of it being the Deceiver who hoodwinks the Silent King. Of course, the Deceiver does hoodwink the Necrontyr, but only in the sense of a Monkey's Paw, where he gives them exactly what they asked for. That aside, I think it is silly to consider Living Metal and Bio-Transference to be anything but C'Tan "magic." That is, reversing the Bio-Transference is not possible, not because they lost the technology, but because it was never technically possible in the first place. It was simply C'Tan magic that did it, in the guise of a technological process. Same reason why they can't just "make" more Necrons. It's not something do-able, technologically. So, I think it is silly for there to be this plot point of "suitable bodies." No, you sold yourself into Undeath in pursuit of victory, now you get to deal with the consequences. The Silent King can lament the choice. Can pine for a reverse Bio-Transference. But it has nothing to do with a lack of "suitable bodies."
Frankly, I'd be perfectly happy if there is no Silent King model at all and no new/redone kits, aside getting all the resin stuff out of the line once and for all. The rest is all serviceable, frankly.
A major part of the fluff is that most Necrons do not care about getting new living bodies, for a multitude of reasons. And that it may not actually be possible, despite some Necrons believing it so. AND that any goal a given Necron works towards is liable to be crippled by insanity.
Moscha wrote: For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?
2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???
June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed
8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.
Except they didn't...
Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.
6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.
Nice math there friend, you somehow managed to squeeze 29 years from a 25 year span... Where were you when I was trying to meet any deadline ever
Moscha wrote: For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?
2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???
June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed
8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.
Except they didn't...
Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.
6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.
It makes little sense to compare older editions with newer ones, as the top management and most of the game designers changed over time.
Moscha wrote: For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?
2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???
June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed
8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.
Except they didn't...
Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.
6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.
Nice math there friend, you somehow managed to squeeze 29 years from a 25 year span... Where were you when I was trying to meet any deadline ever
Yeah... I don't have the exact dates to hand, so they are approximate, eg. 3rd ed only existed for 3 months of 1998, but hey the figures there are 99% correct and far more accurate than the "40k editions have only existed for 3 years max" statement.
Needless pedantry and Dakka. Name a more iconic duo.
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Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
2020/05/14 20:20:48
Subject: Re:The Return of the Silent King - May 23rd
Ouze wrote: I actually the warrior models, in terms of looks. I wish they were reposed because they don't sit very well on their original base sizes, and they they have such limited poses they look a big samey.
I like the green tubes, although I know I am in a distinct minority on that. I can't imagine any new kits will have them. they haven't made a new production kit with them AFAIK since... pre 2011?
I believe the plastic Warriors were released alongside the 3rd edition codex in 2002 (if not earlier).
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Moscha wrote: For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?
2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???
June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed
8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.
Except they didn't...
Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.
6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.
Nice math there friend, you somehow managed to squeeze 29 years from a 25 year span... Where were you when I was trying to meet any deadline ever
Yeah... I don't have the exact dates to hand, so they are approximate, eg. 3rd ed only existed for 3 months of 1998, but hey the figures there are 99% correct and far more accurate than the "40k editions have only existed for 3 years max" statement.
Needless pedantry and Dakka. Name a more iconic duo.
So being off by 16% is pedantic? Forget it, I don't want you around when I'm on a deadline anymore.
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