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 Togusa wrote:

 spaceelf wrote:
Look, we all know what is in the darkness of space...Squats.

This is clearly the Squats Vs. Tyranid starter set that everyone has been waiting for since 2nd ed.

Didn't GW buy the Squat tradmark or something recently and produced a couple of FW models of squats? Jesus, if they bring squats back, I'll be in heaven!

Just don't.

I'm triggered and having flashbacks to the fun I had with Toughness 8 Ancestor Lords casting Force Dome on speeding Eldar jetbikes.

That and heavily armed Easter eggs...on trikes.

Squats as the BIG news!
Its so bad it could be true, just so the community guys get to do a few puns.

Fingers crossed for Primaris Black Templars with dedicated melee units + Champion of the Emperor.

Given what we’ve seen GW do of late in terms of plundering RT era stuff? I really wouldn’t rule out the Squats returning.

Something thematically similar to Kharadron, largely mechanised, but ideally land based, tracked vehicles.

 bullyboy wrote:
well, this is interesting timing

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/21/the-imperiums-endgw-homepage-post-4/

and all but the last one has already been put in motion......so a new civil war is the next Chapter?

I want this to be true if only so I can see the fallout here from Space Marines vs Space Marines box set

 Shooter wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
well, this is interesting timing

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/21/the-imperiums-endgw-homepage-post-4/

and all but the last one has already been put in motion......so a new civil war is the next Chapter?

I want this to be true if only so I can see the fallout here from Space Marines vs Space Marines box set

It would not be anything new though

 Shooter wrote:
I want this to be true if only so I can see the fallout here from Space Marines vs Space Marines box set

There will be blood.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
What? Space Marines have never treated the emperor as a God... I mean... thats what all the fuss with Word Bearers in the horus heresy was about. Space Marine chapters are all about their own cultures, thats what their Chaplains are for.

Well except for the Marines that do believe the Emperor is a god.

I thought it was commonly accepted they saw him as a divine father, if not a god then close enough.

 Shooter wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
well, this is interesting timing

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/21/the-imperiums-endgw-homepage-post-4/

and all but the last one has already been put in motion......so a new civil war is the next Chapter?

I want this to be true if only so I can see the fallout here from Space Marines vs Space Marines box set

I know it would torque of the Xenos players, but honestly, only one of them could be in the starter set anyway.

Considering how well received Betrayal at Calth was, I suspect a pure SM v. SM box would fly off the shelves.

Maybe Primaris Squats?

Think of it...Squats the size of the older marines. Those who don’t want to use Primaris marines just have to use Clan and Hearthguard rules instead. And add runes everywhere.

It could work.

Last time I checked squats aren't 7 feet tall.

tneva82 wrote:
Last time I checked squats aren't 7 feet tall.

last time I checked the size of the models had nothing to do with scale or the original template
getting Squats or Imperial Guard at the same model size as Primaris is not unlikley (not more than getting Squats or new Guard models at all)

Curveball! We're getting a Plastic Avatar of Khaine that rivals the new plastic Greater Daemons in size and with different weapon options!

...and then i woke up...

 DivineVisitor wrote:
Curveball! We're getting a Plastic Avatar of Khaine that rivals the new plastic Greater Daemons in size and with different weapon options!

...and then i woke up...

Does it have the ability to not be throttled by Space Marine heroes.

That GW article may be setting up for 9th edition, which may have some very big advancement to the lore. I remember a rumour back when 8th came out that the design studio wanted to really shake things up... but seeing the initial reaction to what happened when the WFB world was destroyed, they choose to do small changes. 8th could have just been the start of the storyline advancing in small steps.

9th could really shake things up. Either way from a lore point of view it is getting hard to imagine the IoM can hold out for much longer.

I doubt GW would leap straight into Squats tbh, but I could see them doing a Squat unit or a few characters the next time they visit the Guard to test the ground.

I would expect that if we see new factions they might be something like what's been done with AOS, which are factions that are a bit light for a "full army" but can be souped up or expanded if they prove popular. So more Tau auxillaries/expanded Kroot, Chaos Guard, Dark Mechanicus, aforementioned Squat auxiliaries for Guard, maybe even Eldar Corsairs/Exodites.

I don't expect a bigger fluff shakeup than 8th tbh. We might have another Primarch show up with some conflict with Guilliman, but that won't be to the level of outright civil war. It's actually really hard to write around the fact that the Imperium requires the Astronomican to keep functioning or human civilisation collapses.

 The Phazer wrote:
I doubt GW would leap straight into Squats tbh, but I could see them doing a Squat unit or a few characters the next time they visit the Guard to test the ground.

I would expect that if we see new factions they might be something like what's been done with AOS, which are factions that are a bit light for a "full army" but can be souped up or expanded if they prove popular. So more Tau auxillaries/expanded Kroot, Chaos Guard, Dark Mechanicus, aforementioned Squat auxiliaries for Guard, maybe even Eldar Corsairs/Exodites.

I don't expect a bigger fluff shakeup than 8th tbh. We might have another Primarch show up with some conflict with Guilliman, but that won't be to the level of outright civil war. It's actually really hard to write around the fact that the Imperium requires the Astronomican to keep functioning or human civilisation collapses.

That’s one rumour currently going around: during 9th ed the main armies to receive new stuff will be ones that do not exist yet, like GSC until a few years ago. Those rumoured to arrive are Eldar Exodites, the Lost and the Damned, Dark Mechanicus, Renegade Guard.
Who knows if it’s baseless speculation or not...

Ok, maybe we get 9th edition, maybe we don't. But we know we're getting new forge world books, so will gw preview them tomorrow? And if so, what will they change? (If anything)

alphaecho wrote:

 DivineVisitor wrote:
Curveball! We're getting a Plastic Avatar of Khaine that rivals the new plastic Greater Daemons in size and with different weapon options!

...and then i woke up...

Does it have the ability to not be throttled by Space Marine heroes.

"Brother Sergeant Guillinor, Ive read in your battle honors report that you've vanquished that crude effigy, the Avatar of Khaine in single combat?"

"Aye, Senior Captain. I had extinguished it with the superior power of my Centurian Armor Warsuit, punishing it with Emperor Blessed hurricane bolter shells in righteous honor, and then smashing it clean through the face with my siege hammer drills, embasing myself in its hot magma blood, unharmed."

"Well... we'd normally give a bonus point to throttling in the neck with bare hands, but... Oh... well... a Kill is a Kill, I guess. You checked off all 3 boxes. Congratulations Soldier, you're a Captain now!"

 kodos wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Chaplains, despite their name, were never a sign of religious zealotry. Their original purpose in Marine Legions was merely to keep an eye on the Librarians.

Where's this fluff from?

in detail from the Horus Heresy books, but it was already there in the older Codex books, that Chaplains were copied over from the WB to make sure that all Marines walk the line of the imperial way (which includes of not having active psykers during the HH)

So their purpose as a watch over the Librarius was just added in the HH series then.

It would be cool if the Silent king showed up and made the same deep impact on 9th edition as Ynnari did on 8th edition with a whooping 3 related models and full white dwarf update of the rules and everything.

 Fayric wrote:
It would be cool if the Silent king showed up and made the same deep impact on 9th edition as Ynnari did on 8th edition with a whooping 3 related models and full white dwarf update of the rules and everything.

I think GW like the fan base have forgot about Ynnari.

 stonehorse wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
It would be cool if the Silent king showed up and made the same deep impact on 9th edition as Ynnari did on 8th edition with a whooping 3 related models and full white dwarf update of the rules and everything.

I think GW like the fan base have forgot about Ynnari.

That's because they tried to turn them into their own army, which they should not have been.

The problem with Ynnari is that its a fluffy concept to pull together two armies into a 3rd army. Like Primaris it smacks of a CEO level choice to increase the army range without actually increasing anything (just like how Primaris are clearly the next Mark models of space marines, but instead of replacing they were released alongside to double the marine range somewhat).

Ynnari simply hits a wall because the best and most fluffy things you want to put into those lists from Craftworld are - drum roll - all those finecast aspect warrior troops. Ynnari would have been great after having a massive update to the Craftworld to give them exciting new models; some update to DArk Eldar too and then let you combine the two. Doing Ynnari before simply made it a mess because you've got existing fans who don't really want a 3rd wheel on the eldar army list and they aren't really picking up Ynnari as a duel army because they are still waiting on the update to their core army first.


It's a neat concept, but just released at the wrong time. Update Craftworld core; update Dark Eldar finecast and then release your merger army.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

That's because they tried to turn them into their own army, which they should not have been.

Ehhh...they tried to turn them into an Inquisition styled faction, not "their own army".

There's a new quote up ’in battle he offers us redemption' now I may be biased but that sounds like Khorne! Or I might just be wishful thinking. Daemon angron.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Or I might just be wishful thinking.

You are. It's not a new phenomenon for the Imperium to have a mentality of "in battle, sins are forgiven".

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

That's because they tried to turn them into their own army, which they should not have been.

Ehhh...they tried to turn them into an Inquisition styled faction, not "their own army".

They REALLY failed at that then. If they had a generic HQ and stuff that could be slotted in with little issue like current Inquisition it'd be fine. If they conferred some generic benefits to work with all Eldar armies like Inquisition do with Imperium, it would be fine. Instead you give up a bunch of good stuff for a bad benefit overall and get stuck with only named Characters.

Literally every quote has been an excerpt from the Imperial Creed.

I wonder if the Legion of the Damned is getting it's own Dex (and maybe some Plastics)

that would be fun

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

That's because they tried to turn them into their own army, which they should not have been.

Ehhh...they tried to turn them into an Inquisition styled faction, not "their own army".

They REALLY failed at that then. If they had a generic HQ and stuff that could be slotted in with little issue like current Inquisition it'd be fine. If they conferred some generic benefits to work with all Eldar armies like Inquisition do with Imperium, it would be fine. Instead you give up a bunch of good stuff for a bad benefit overall and get stuck with only named Characters.

The only difference they had, realistically, is that they turned the army into what everyone says they want the Inquisition to do when taken in Guard("make it so they get the inquisition keyword!!1!!").

I also never stated that it was a success.