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 Tokhuah wrote:
It is no surprise that the GW faithful does not know about Mantic. GW has done a Kimmy Schmidt on them so they have no idea what is going on outside the bomb shelter.

My time is limited, playing one miniature game is difficult enough. So typically I don't go out looking for others. In my area, the only thing played is 40K with some bits of AoS in the corners.

Also, God those Mantic models look awful.

 Jidmah wrote:
How does that change the fact that I don't want a single thing Mantic offers? Their models are ugly and I don't care about their games.

Mantic is a singular example. Narrow minding yourselves to 1 example is as bad as narrow minding to 1 company.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mantic exists because metachasers want cheaper stuff and the metachasers don't care about quality.

Their whole schtick is and always will be "generic stuff that can be repped in GW--but cheaper!". Don't try to spin this as "gamers became more savvy". People still try to spin Infinity as a super cheap game because it has free rules--while ignoring that their consumer friendliness in products is basically nonexistent.

You want to talk about a fandom that's effectively blind to the company & pricing? Look no further than Corvus Belli.

Although I usually disagree with your persistent GW white knighting, it is usually quite well written. Some of it even makes vague sense to GWophiles. This post however is such a horrendous lie. All the gamers I know accept that a lot of Mantic figures aren't as good as GW, but the games are far better. They're also not trapped in that GW-spread belief that you have to buy minis from the rules writer. I bet there's a far bigger percentage of Mantic gamers playing with GW models than the other way round.
The metachasers are most likely tournament players who have to use GW figures for 'official' style tournies anyway.

If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

Far better is an exceedingly subjective statement. Personally, I find their games boring, flavorless, and I really can't stand the way their unit footprint wound mechanic works.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mantic exists because metachasers want cheaper stuff and the metachasers don't care about quality.

Their whole schtick is and always will be "generic stuff that can be repped in GW--but cheaper!".

Typical example of Mantic's generic, low-quality proxies for GW models according to Kan, apparently loved by metachasers, so presumably they can pass for official models at GW events at a cursory glance

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

Ah... that common misconception that a high price equates to the best.



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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mantic exists because metachasers want cheaper stuff and the metachasers don't care about quality.

Their whole schtick is and always will be "generic stuff that can be repped in GW--but cheaper!".

Typical example of Mantic's generic, low-quality proxies for GW models according to Kan, apparently loved by metachasers as they can pass for official models at GW events at a cursory glance

Poor quality dispelled.

Awaits;
a) But I just don't like them
b) No one plays that round here
c) It's too generic (prior to complaining about GW special rules)
d) and so on...

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

Ah... that common misconception that a high price equates to the best.

Except you are the one advertising that the lowest price equates to the best, I merely stated that I like what GW offers.

So do you agree that you are the one with misconception, or do you prefer being a hypocrite?


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 Gimgamgoo wrote:

a) But I just don't like them
b) No one plays that round here
c) It's too generic (prior to complaining about GW special rules)
d) and so on...

Sorry, but those are all fething ugly. If GW offered those as an army, I would not play it. If those were new releases for an army I already played, I would replace them with third party models.

Meanwhile i kind of like those models, because i often have an issue with parts of GW's Aesthetics. they don't fit because they aren't fitting for what im going for.

People buy for different things, and i tend towards a menality of cheaper, because i don't get the same sense of quality others do out of GW. maybes its because im less visual.

Hey all, lets tone it down, I really don't want to have to go through here cleaning up the thread, issuing warnings, etc. play nice please, thanks!

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

What if those restaurants are synonymous?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

What if those restaurants are synonymous?

The really beautiful part of this analogy is that he implies that GW is expensive junk food but he still prefers it

Damn I missed out on the fun overnight.

"Metachasers". Amazing stuff.

I'm still waiting for the day this community comes up with a more creative way to dismiss dissenting opinions than to claim "white knighting".

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm still waiting for the day this community comes up with a more creative way to dismiss dissenting opinions than to claim "white knighting".

Well, I've seen plenty of criticism of what could be termed "white knight" behaviour ITT, but a quick search shows that the term has actually been used once by one user, and then quoted by one other.

So congratulations, your wait is over

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

Ah... that common misconception that a high price equates to the best.



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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mantic exists because metachasers want cheaper stuff and the metachasers don't care about quality.

Their whole schtick is and always will be "generic stuff that can be repped in GW--but cheaper!".

Typical example of Mantic's generic, low-quality proxies for GW models according to Kan, apparently loved by metachasers as they can pass for official models at GW events at a cursory glance

Poor quality dispelled.

Awaits;
a) But I just don't like them
b) No one plays that round here
c) It's too generic (prior to complaining about GW special rules)
d) and so on...

I think the top right is a much cooler genestealer but all the others look garbage.

Anyway... as always I have the same one word: Ebay

That is all.

I'd accept "don't like" as of course you're entitled to like and dislike whatever.

But "garbage?" Seems needlessly hyperbolic, inciteful even.

Inciting what?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm still waiting for the day this community comes up with a more creative way to dismiss dissenting opinions than to claim "white knighting".

Well, I've seen plenty of criticism of what could be termed "white knight" behaviour ITT, but a quick search shows that the term has actually been used once by one user, and then quoted by one other.

So congratulations, your wait is over

This is good news indeed!

We have (mostly) become the change we wanted to see!

And I'm not even kidding!

So not to distract from the people defending their chosen game miniature companies and attacking the chosen company of the other, but did anybody else notice that some stuff they said was going to go up in price actually didn't?

Typical GW, they can't even get right which of their products they're going to start gouging you more for.

edit: Oh yeah, apparently some people did, it was just buried in the flood that came afterward.

it did but not in all countries it seems

and yes, people can buy whatever they like for whatever price they are willing to pay
if someone is fine with a 100$ BigMac because it is the Burger he likes most, no problem with it.

just don't call on other people who say you can get something better for the price and/or much more to eat than just a single burger
(specially if you talk about dinner, more expensive often just means that you pay for the location and the look on the table, not for quality and taste)

I for myself rather get a 25€ flyer from Mantic instead of a 80€ flyer from GW (no matter if AdMech, Marines, Guard or 35€ instead of 50/80€ for a tank), specially if I need more than one to play.
And as the new Steampunk/lowGothic/RedBrick style of GW is not really my taste regarding SciFi (in my opinion the new AdMech would fit much better to AoS) and I am much happier with my Dwarfs in Space from Mantic

But also not only about Minis, if they are about collecting and not just to play personal taste is more important than price up to a point, but also about game boxes
Going with a Deadzone 2 player Set, I get more models than I need to start playing and even have enough for bigger sized team later (if I build the pre-made teams for intruduction games)
for Kill Team, Box is more than twice times more expensive and I still need to buy regular Boxes to get enough Minis for a standard sized game

If I pay a premium price for a game, I expect also a Premium Product and not a base that does not work without expensions and/or detailed knowledge of the game before you buy into it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

What if those restaurants are synonymous?

The really beautiful part of this analogy is that he implies that GW is expensive junk food but he still prefers it

This is exactly what I wanted to say.

When I'm wasting my expandable income, I'll do it in the way I enjoy most, not in the most economic way.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

Ah... that common misconception that a high price equates to the best.

Except you are the one advertising that the lowest price equates to the best, I merely stated that I like what GW offers.

So do you agree that you are the one with misconception, or do you prefer being a hypocrite?

I stated that highest cost does not always equate to the best. I didn't advertise anywhere that lowest price was the best.
I'm not sure what misconception I have?

 Jidmah wrote:

Sorry, but those are all fething ugly. If GW offered those as an army, I would not play it. If those were new releases for an army I already played, I would replace them with third party models.

There is a difference between someone's preference (and definition of ugly) and a well made/painted model.

I haven't checked but did the price increases (adjustment) go live as of 1st June?

 Huron black heart wrote:
I haven't checked but did the price increases (adjustment) go live as of 1st June?

They most certainly did:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I stated that highest cost does not always equate to the best. I didn't advertise anywhere that lowest price was the best.
I'm not sure what misconception I have?

In the context of my quote, you did imply that the going to a cheaper restaurant is the superior choice.

 Jidmah wrote:

Sorry, but those are all fething ugly. If GW offered those as an army, I would not play it. If those were new releases for an army I already played, I would replace them with third party models.

There is a difference between someone's preference (and definition of ugly) and a well made/painted model.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Poor quality dispelled.

Awaits;
a) But I just don't like them
b) No one plays that round here
c) It's too generic (prior to complaining about GW special rules)
d) and so on...

Mantic stuff looks good in promotional pictures, but what you actually receives bares little resemblance.

I'd love it if the casting quality of my Dungeon Saga miniatures matched the quality in the pictures used to promote the Kickstarter.

I can only speak for the HIPS stuff, personally. I've heard they botched a coupls of those (basilean infantry and goblins IIRC), but the ones I've had were of pretty good quality (unarmored and armored skeletons, not-marines, not-squats and not-protoss), and all of those were very good quality. The Deadzone scenery is also pretty great.

But honestly, lately there's been a resurgence in decent plastic sprues from a fair amount of companies.

Dungeon Saga is first of all a Boardgame with Boardgame Minis

there is a reason why those models are available in Resin for the those who want Wargame Miniatures

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you take your wive out for dinner, do you go to the restaurant you like, or to the cheap one with the 100% organic food?

Ah... that common misconception that a high price equates to the best.

Except you are the one advertising that the lowest price equates to the best, I merely stated that I like what GW offers.

So do you agree that you are the one with misconception, or do you prefer being a hypocrite?

I stated that highest cost does not always equate to the best. I didn't advertise anywhere that lowest price was the best.
I'm not sure what misconception I have?

 Jidmah wrote:

Sorry, but those are all fething ugly. If GW offered those as an army, I would not play it. If those were new releases for an army I already played, I would replace them with third party models.

There is a difference between someone's preference (and definition of ugly) and a well made/painted model.

There is indeed a difference between technical quality and artistic style.

Technical quality is in the sharpness of the details, the lack of production errors, and other very dry, objective fact.