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**ClockworkZion**

bullyboy wrote:
JWBS wrote:
Looks to me from this image that they want a full body tabard, but the Primaris gorget makes it impractical / awkward-looking, so they just said "F it. Loin cloth isn't enough but we can't do full body either. Let's just add the torso component under the armour, defeating the purpose of aesthetics entirely, but showing that it's technically there".

So, the story goes...
Hold on, let me put down my shield so I can lift the flap of my holster to put away my Volkite....THEN I can pull my sword to duel. And people are worried more about bikes in space.....

The holster's flap isn't snapped or buckled, just push it open with the heel of your hand and then holster the pistol. I feel like people like to make everything more complicated than it actually is when this kind of thing comes up.

Like everyone who used to claim that Marines couldn't take off their helmets because they forgot your shoulders rotate and can let your hands reach your head without the pauldrons getting in the way.

**Jacob29**

Do you think GW will ever slow down on Space Marine releases?

They had more than 2x the next faction to get models... its ridiculous.

Granted they are boomed, perhaps because of it? But it feels like such a waste.

Imagine the much better boxes we can have with say..

Dark Elves vs Guard
Eldar vs Necrons
Orks vs Tau

Rather than

Dark Elves vs Marines
Orks vs Marines
Necrons vs Marines

**Slayer-Fan123**

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Ok time for a hot take, some will love it others will hate it and here it goes. We'll start with the positive.

Hearing in the laughably idiotic 9 things to love with a new edition video, new terrain rules. They can only really make terrain much better at this point, I look forward to this.

Our books aren't auto becoming worthless, I feel like they will be soon though so I'm not picking up anymore PA books for sure.

Finally an App for the game, could be good, could be money grubbing, I guess we will see I'm of mixed feelings.

Lastly, this could prove to be good if they actually change the game for the better. Having Sisters have such a key role, as they are hinting is also a good thing but feels more like a marketing push than any grand design.

Ok for the bad and this is larger.

That James Workshop 9 things to love video, was painfully terrible to watch. Why do they have to be so bad with this ? No one old enough to find that cool can afford to play this game, how bout we be treated like adults and not mindless hype hungry nub gubbins eh ?

The necrons skulls look like cartoon bad guys. We've gone from Terminators, to Ancient Egyptians in space to now Skeletor, by the power of Grey Skull.

I love that tanks will shoot out of combat and apparently not be bogged down anymore but this seems like an issue. As does focus on more flyer like flyers and Moar Command points ! It feels like idocricy the game where they doubled down on stupid over the top and each new box will come with some Brawndo.

The new Logo looks so bland and generic, it lost a lot of flavor and feels just as boring as a ham and american cheese sandwich with light mayo, so the perfect logo for the blandest of all, the Primaris Marines.

All the new books, and keep in mind they added new " crusade " content in them, I'm predicting the new codex drops will cost at minimum 50 USD, if not 60 as they use " crusade" stuff to bloat the books with crap few wanted in an attempt to tax you more. As if replacing the myriad of burn and churn hasn't already forced many to get hundreds of dollars in redundant books in short time frame. Can't wait to pay like 33% more per book, which isn't known but I have a guess it will be so.

Releasing a new edition now, after a price hike, when few will be able to even play seems as tone deaf and dumb as any company can be. I get they had this planned already but who is going to rush out to get these new books before they'll even be able to play any games and by the time they do the books will be invalidated most likely with pace of release ? Dumb dumb.

They are changing all the points around so even the current pace we kept up with if we did makes our books invalid for points, more dumb and annoying.

A promise of a year full of more Marines, forever Marines. With probably the same support for Necrons that Deathguard got when they shared the starter box which means at first, then a splash then the marine man train rolls ever forward.

They lied, again, on this last edition being a forever edition, with a living rules system, yeah it's no mystery at this point but some people do remember their half arsed promises and claims. At this point if they told me the sky was blue I'd need multiple reliable sources to be cited or I'd call them liar, and even then I'd still need to see it for myself.

All in all, I'm in fact not hyped, I'm just happy I got so few of these new books as they dropped and I feel bad for the people who did. This is a bad idea, full of lies and doubled down stupid promising nothing but a new age of more expensive burn and churn. All flash and no substance for a hyped reveal.

Pretty much sums up the new GW, a whole lot of promise and expectation but at the end of the day it's the same crap, at a faster pace, more expensive with less soul and more generic crap flavored with special new pointless James Workshop video cringe. The game itself is the fluffiest grim dark of cutesy we have even seen.

Literally nothing about the Necrons says Skeletor anymore than they did from their inception. That's just complaining yo complain quite frankly.

**alphaecho**

ClockworkZion wrote:
alphaecho wrote:
Norchack wrote:
Soulless wrote:
So....Bikers....The silliest thing in 40k still present...

I've always wondered why everything in 40K has a group of people who hate it and feel the need to tell the rest of us.

Once I got past ripping holes in space to take shortcuts through a daemonic realm, the presence of bikes and swords alongside 8ft genocidal xenophobic warrior monks in power armour just kind of slides by. Silly is relative.

Then again, I've seen a quad bike mounted Chaplain (the bike was nicknamed 'God's Quad', see what he did there?) in the modern military so I have quite a wide scope before I consider things 'silly'.

You can tell who hasn't been around for a while since Calvary charges with actual horses is rather common in the setting as well. Less so on the table due to some OOP models, but Rough Riders used to be a staple of the Guard.

Frankly when you start your setting by deciding the best method of FTL is to send city sized churches through hell all arguments about the impractical or unnecessary become invalid.

Preaching to the converted. I still have my Rogue Trader era Rough Riders in my army.

**Arachnofiend**

If anything the spider tank units are making the faction less Skeletor. I love... spider limbs... make everything a triarch stalker please GW

**ClockworkZion**

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Ok time for a hot take, some will love it others will hate it and here it goes. We'll start with the positive.

Hearing in the laughably idiotic 9 things to love with a new edition video, new terrain rules. They can only really make terrain much better at this point, I look forward to this.

Our books aren't auto becoming worthless, I feel like they will be soon though so I'm not picking up anymore PA books for sure.

Finally an App for the game, could be good, could be money grubbing, I guess we will see I'm of mixed feelings.

Lastly, this could prove to be good if they actually change the game for the better. Having Sisters have such a key role, as they are hinting is also a good thing but feels more like a marketing push than any grand design.

Ok for the bad and this is larger.

That James Workshop 9 things to love video, was painfully terrible to watch. Why do they have to be so bad with this ? No one old enough to find that cool can afford to play this game, how bout we be treated like adults and not mindless hype hungry nub gubbins eh ?

The necrons skulls look like cartoon bad guys. We've gone from Terminators, to Ancient Egyptians in space to now Skeletor, by the power of Grey Skull.

I love that tanks will shoot out of combat and apparently not be bogged down anymore but this seems like an issue. As does focus on more flyer like flyers and Moar Command points ! It feels like idocricy the game where they doubled down on stupid over the top and each new box will come with some Brawndo.

The new Logo looks so bland and generic, it lost a lot of flavor and feels just as boring as a ham and american cheese sandwich with light mayo, so the perfect logo for the blandest of all, the Primaris Marines.

All the new books, and keep in mind they added new " crusade " content in them, I'm predicting the new codex drops will cost at minimum 50 USD, if not 60 as they use " crusade" stuff to bloat the books with crap few wanted in an attempt to tax you more. As if replacing the myriad of burn and churn hasn't already forced many to get hundreds of dollars in redundant books in short time frame. Can't wait to pay like 33% more per book, which isn't known but I have a guess it will be so.

Releasing a new edition now, after a price hike, when few will be able to even play seems as tone deaf and dumb as any company can be. I get they had this planned already but who is going to rush out to get these new books before they'll even be able to play any games and by the time they do the books will be invalidated most likely with pace of release ? Dumb dumb.

They are changing all the points around so even the current pace we kept up with if we did makes our books invalid for points, more dumb and annoying.

A promise of a year full of more Marines, forever Marines. With probably the same support for Necrons that Deathguard got when they shared the starter box which means at first, then a splash then the marine man train rolls ever forward.

They lied, again, on this last edition being a forever edition, with a living rules system, yeah it's no mystery at this point but some people do remember their half arsed promises and claims. At this point if they told me the sky was blue I'd need multiple reliable sources to be cited or I'd call them liar, and even then I'd still need to see it for myself.

All in all, I'm in fact not hyped, I'm just happy I got so few of these new books as they dropped and I feel bad for the people who did. This is a bad idea, full of lies and doubled down stupid promising nothing but a new age of more expensive burn and churn. All flash and no substance for a hyped reveal.

Pretty much sums up the new GW, a whole lot of promise and expectation but at the end of the day it's the same crap, at a faster pace, more expensive with less soul and more generic crap flavored with special new pointless James Workshop video cringe. The game itself is the fluffiest grim dark of cutesy we have even seen.

Okay, now try it again with about half the salt.

PA rules are going to be around until you get them rolled into an eventual codex update. For some armies that could be soon, but for most it's going to be a while. That makes those books valid. Plus some people collect those books for the lore and even make painting contest entries based on stuff they read in the lore. Rules are only half of GW's product and will only ever be half.

And as much as I didn't expect this to be 9th ed, I don't recall GW ever officially announcing no more editions. There were rumors, but it was never officially stated (if I'm wrong please provide proof so I can correct myself).

Basically you're making assumptions and getting mad because you assumed things that have no basis in facts.

**Necronmaniac05**

Things I can see in that Necron Image:

Far right, in front of and between the large canoptek walker unit and the two scarab bases: Looks like possibly a new necron lord model? Or overlord?

Directly to the right of the scarab swarms but heavily obscured: No idea who/what this is but seems to be accompanied by two..canoptek looking units and looks to be carrying a staff of light/warscythe.

In amongst the three legged, sword weilding units at the back there is another of those small canoptek looking units. They seem to be similar to Tau drones so maybe they confer benefits on the unit they are with?

**ClockworkZion**

Jacob29 wrote:
Do you think GW will ever slow down on Space Marine releases?

They had more than 2x the next faction to get models... its ridiculous.

Granted they are boomed, perhaps because of it? But it feels like such a waste.

Imagine the much better boxes we can have with say..

Dark Elves vs Guard
Eldar vs Necrons
Orks vs Tau

Rather than

Dark Elves vs Marines
Orks vs Marines
Necrons vs Marines

Starter boxes will always have Marines because Marines make up like 60% of all army sales (rough spitball number, point is they are SUPER popular). And we saw Eldar vs Dark Eldar and two flavors of Daemons in boxes just last year and they were basically ignored by most of the player base. It just doesn't work as a sales model.

And they have slowed down with Marines (last big release was Shadowspear at the end of last year) but a new edition means a new starter and it looks like said new starter is melee Marine focused.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Jacob29 wrote:
Do you think GW will ever slow down on Space Marine releases?

It's interesting to me that GW is now confident enough in the Primaris that they are making ones that replace Secundus Marines.

One could argue that Primaris bolter only squads, plasma only squads, jump dudes and hover rhinos and whatever were new animals and not just an attempt to make us buy new stuff.

But now Chainsaw and pistol dudes and bikes look like a straight up replacement.

Which is fine by me but interesting.

**Bradeh**

Jacob29 wrote:
Do you think GW will ever slow down on Space Marine releases?

They had more than 2x the next faction to get models... its ridiculous.

Granted they are boomed, perhaps because of it? But it feels like such a waste.

Imagine the much better boxes we can have with say..

Dark Elves vs Guard
Eldar vs Necrons
Orks vs Tau

Rather than

Dark Elves vs Marines
Orks vs Marines
Necrons vs Marines

You have to remember that they are telling to replace the biggest model line they have and most popular, they have only now redone assault marines.

**gorgon**

Norchack wrote:
Soulless wrote:
So....Bikers....The silliest thing in 40k still present...

I've always wondered why everything in 40K has a group of people who hate it and feel the need to tell the rest of us.

Often it shows a desperate need for attention. Which gets exacerbated by pandemic lockdowns.

Looks cool to me. My kid and I are working on Necrons, so we’re digging the new stuff. And I could add some of those Primaris to the pile. I’ve been plotting a return of my original 40K SM army.

Regarding the rules...eh. I don’t play 40K for the gameplay anymore. It’s goofing around with miniatures. AT is my game of choice now for really good gameplay.

**Sasori**

Arachnofiend wrote:
Not sure how to feel about the new Warriors, need to see an unpainted version, but I love love LOVE the new spider tank dudes. Very excited to see where this goes

Sasori wrote:
GW doesn't let it's popular lines languish. The Most popular ones get updated, which is why we see new space marine lines all the time.

I think the huge success of the Sisters reboot is ample proof that GW wasn't doing good market research for most of its history.

Not necessarily. It could be that for a time GW was just unable to take the risk of rebooting an entire army due to their finance situation at the time. We had only really seen to the same extent twice before, with Dark Eldar and Necrons in 5th. (I'm not counting Primaris here) While these were both successful, they came before GW really started their slump, which included the very poor initial release of AoS.

Once GW started to turn itself around, it had more room to take the risk of rebooting SoB. It came on the heels of the successful Primaris release and a new edition, without a lot of hype beforehand. I honestly feel that if SoB were fully rebooted during the 6th-7th edition it would have likely fared much more poorly then they have now.

So to me, this means that GW has been doing their market research, and timed the release to maximize it's success.

**PenitentJake**

The biggest disappoint for me is that the development schedule on genuinely new material has been pushed back three years.

Dexes for Emperor's Children, Traitor Guard, World Eaters and Imperial Agents could have been right around the corner.

Instead, we now have to count the days/ months/ years to get the new Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Generic Space Marine Dexes to be updated before we can even begin to dream about any of those other things that felt so close yesterday.

And if the Eldar dex Reboot comes out early in the cycle, I get ANOTHER edition where I buy the dex but can't start an army because half of the models I want are STILL finecast, and at a special new higher price to boot.

But who knows, right? One Aspect got updated this editions, so maybe by 14th edition we'll have all our aspects in plastic right?

Looking forward to freakin Primaris with chainswords though, right?

**The Newman**

I'm honestly not sure if I like this model or not. I think it's the non-Intercessor style helmet that's putting me off.

**ClockworkZion**

The Newman wrote:

I'm honestly not sure if I like this model or not. I think it's the non-Intercessor style helmet that's putting me off.

I think that's a modified Crusader helm. That or a MKVIII helm.

**Sim-Life**

PenitentJake wrote:
The biggest disappoint for me is that the development schedule on genuinely new material has been pushed back three years.

Dexes for Emperor's Children, Traitor Guard, World Eaters and Imperial Agents could have been right around the corner.

Instead, we now have to count the days/ months/ years to get the new Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Generic Space Marine Dexes to be updated before we can even begin to dream about any of those other things that felt so close yesterday.

And if the Eldar dex Reboot comes out early in the cycle, I get ANOTHER edition where I buy the dex but can't start an army because half of the models I want are STILL finecast, and at a special new higher price to boot.

But who knows, right? One Aspect got updated this editions, so maybe by 14th edition we'll have all our aspects in plastic right?

Looking forward to freakin Primaris with chainswords though, right?

Eldar are very frequently one of the first xenos dexes in the cycle to get released. Obviously necrons will be the first thing time but likely Eldar after that.

**MalusCalibur**

With regards to the Necron spiderbot, I don't hate the idea of it - but the execution, as always with GW, is excessive and makes it look rather daft. There is a half-decent model buried under all that guff, though.
Here it is with a little surgery to 'de-GW' it:

The Warriors are rubbish - it never felt to me like a kit that needed redoing, I don't like the damaged parts making them seem even more 'space Undead', and I seem to be alone in really liking the green rods and being incredibly disappointed to see them get phased out (har har).

I couldn't care less about the endless supply of marines or the Necron shelf diorama.

**Arachnofiend**

Sasori wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
Not sure how to feel about the new Warriors, need to see an unpainted version, but I love love LOVE the new spider tank dudes. Very excited to see where this goes

Sasori wrote:
GW doesn't let it's popular lines languish. The Most popular ones get updated, which is why we see new space marine lines all the time.

I think the huge success of the Sisters reboot is ample proof that GW wasn't doing good market research for most of its history.

Not necessarily. It could be that for a time GW was just unable to take the risk of rebooting an entire army due to their finance situation at the time. We had only really seen to the same extent twice before, with Dark Eldar and Necrons in 5th. (I'm not counting Primaris here) While these were both successful, they came before GW really started their slump, which included the very poor initial release of AoS.

Once GW started to turn itself around, it had more room to take the risk of rebooting SoB. It came on the heels of the successful Primaris release and a new edition, without a lot of hype beforehand. I honestly feel that if SoB were fully rebooted during the 6th-7th edition it would have likely fared much more poorly then they have now.

So to me, this means that GW has been doing their market research, and timed the release to maximize it's success.

You are being awfully generous, especially given that their financial slump was caused in part due to a fixation on the best selling space marines, to the point where they had to take over Fantasy too. GW looks at the numbers, sees that space marines sell and Eldar don't, and assume that's because everyone likes Space Marines and hate Eldar and not because Space Marines have nice new models and Eldar don't.

I think in more recent years (GSC release onward) GW has done a better job of listening to fan sentiment as much as the raw numbers, which is why we're getting reboots of more niche factions that are proving far less niche than GW may have thought.

**AngryAngel80**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
AngryAngel80 wrote:
Ok time for a hot take, some will love it others will hate it and here it goes. We'll start with the positive.

Hearing in the laughably idiotic 9 things to love with a new edition video, new terrain rules. They can only really make terrain much better at this point, I look forward to this.

Our books aren't auto becoming worthless, I feel like they will be soon though so I'm not picking up anymore PA books for sure.

Finally an App for the game, could be good, could be money grubbing, I guess we will see I'm of mixed feelings.

Lastly, this could prove to be good if they actually change the game for the better. Having Sisters have such a key role, as they are hinting is also a good thing but feels more like a marketing push than any grand design.

Ok for the bad and this is larger.

That James Workshop 9 things to love video, was painfully terrible to watch. Why do they have to be so bad with this ? No one old enough to find that cool can afford to play this game, how bout we be treated like adults and not mindless hype hungry nub gubbins eh ?

The necrons skulls look like cartoon bad guys. We've gone from Terminators, to Ancient Egyptians in space to now Skeletor, by the power of Grey Skull.

I love that tanks will shoot out of combat and apparently not be bogged down anymore but this seems like an issue. As does focus on more flyer like flyers and Moar Command points ! It feels like idocricy the game where they doubled down on stupid over the top and each new box will come with some Brawndo.

The new Logo looks so bland and generic, it lost a lot of flavor and feels just as boring as a ham and american cheese sandwich with light mayo, so the perfect logo for the blandest of all, the Primaris Marines.

All the new books, and keep in mind they added new " crusade " content in them, I'm predicting the new codex drops will cost at minimum 50 USD, if not 60 as they use " crusade" stuff to bloat the books with crap few wanted in an attempt to tax you more. As if replacing the myriad of burn and churn hasn't already forced many to get hundreds of dollars in redundant books in short time frame. Can't wait to pay like 33% more per book, which isn't known but I have a guess it will be so.

Releasing a new edition now, after a price hike, when few will be able to even play seems as tone deaf and dumb as any company can be. I get they had this planned already but who is going to rush out to get these new books before they'll even be able to play any games and by the time they do the books will be invalidated most likely with pace of release ? Dumb dumb.

They are changing all the points around so even the current pace we kept up with if we did makes our books invalid for points, more dumb and annoying.

A promise of a year full of more Marines, forever Marines. With probably the same support for Necrons that Deathguard got when they shared the starter box which means at first, then a splash then the marine man train rolls ever forward.

They lied, again, on this last edition being a forever edition, with a living rules system, yeah it's no mystery at this point but some people do remember their half arsed promises and claims. At this point if they told me the sky was blue I'd need multiple reliable sources to be cited or I'd call them liar, and even then I'd still need to see it for myself.

All in all, I'm in fact not hyped, I'm just happy I got so few of these new books as they dropped and I feel bad for the people who did. This is a bad idea, full of lies and doubled down stupid promising nothing but a new age of more expensive burn and churn. All flash and no substance for a hyped reveal.

Pretty much sums up the new GW, a whole lot of promise and expectation but at the end of the day it's the same crap, at a faster pace, more expensive with less soul and more generic crap flavored with special new pointless James Workshop video cringe. The game itself is the fluffiest grim dark of cutesy we have even seen.

Literally nothing about the Necrons says Skeletor anymore than they did from their inception. That's just complaining yo complain quite frankly.

You can disagree all you want, they skulls are very rounded and cartoony looking to me. Obviously that is a flavor they went for, just like some loved the old more hideous nurgle stuff and dislike the more goofy look the line has now. As for complaining to complain, I mean you do complain because you want to complain yes ?

**H.B.M.C.**

If those really are the "starter" armies in the box, which I doubt as they're too extensive, then that's pretty cool.

Shield dudes are awesome though.

**vipoid**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Voss wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
vipoid wrote:
...incapable of killing even a single Sister of Battle.

Turns out, you can pray away molecular disintegration.

Yes? That 6++ save called Shield of Faith was always literally praying the wounds away. It wasn't a function of the armor, a non-existent forcefield or the woman's toughness. It's divine intervention, and has been since.. 2000? 1990s? (though obviously it was one of the Acts of Faith back then)

Yeah, I don't understand why people don't seem to grasp that it's an screen representation of Act of Faith proccing.
I mean, she's literally praying in a cathedral.
The only way they could have made it more obvious is if they had the Emperor himself materializing, throw a die, roll a 6 and say "Yeah, you're fine" and heal that wound.

My issue is not with what can feasibly happen in game.

My issue is with a new Necron model being introduced, only for it to immediately be shown as being completely ineffectual against even a single Sister of Battle.

Boy, I sure am hyped for this new Necron model. Maybe this towering, 3-limbed monster can defeat a whole guardsman.

**AngryAngel80**

ClockworkZion wrote:
AngryAngel80 wrote:
Ok time for a hot take, some will love it others will hate it and here it goes. We'll start with the positive.

Hearing in the laughably idiotic 9 things to love with a new edition video, new terrain rules. They can only really make terrain much better at this point, I look forward to this.

Our books aren't auto becoming worthless, I feel like they will be soon though so I'm not picking up anymore PA books for sure.

Finally an App for the game, could be good, could be money grubbing, I guess we will see I'm of mixed feelings.

Lastly, this could prove to be good if they actually change the game for the better. Having Sisters have such a key role, as they are hinting is also a good thing but feels more like a marketing push than any grand design.

Ok for the bad and this is larger.

That James Workshop 9 things to love video, was painfully terrible to watch. Why do they have to be so bad with this ? No one old enough to find that cool can afford to play this game, how bout we be treated like adults and not mindless hype hungry nub gubbins eh ?

The necrons skulls look like cartoon bad guys. We've gone from Terminators, to Ancient Egyptians in space to now Skeletor, by the power of Grey Skull.

I love that tanks will shoot out of combat and apparently not be bogged down anymore but this seems like an issue. As does focus on more flyer like flyers and Moar Command points ! It feels like idocricy the game where they doubled down on stupid over the top and each new box will come with some Brawndo.

The new Logo looks so bland and generic, it lost a lot of flavor and feels just as boring as a ham and american cheese sandwich with light mayo, so the perfect logo for the blandest of all, the Primaris Marines.

All the new books, and keep in mind they added new " crusade " content in them, I'm predicting the new codex drops will cost at minimum 50 USD, if not 60 as they use " crusade" stuff to bloat the books with crap few wanted in an attempt to tax you more. As if replacing the myriad of burn and churn hasn't already forced many to get hundreds of dollars in redundant books in short time frame. Can't wait to pay like 33% more per book, which isn't known but I have a guess it will be so.

Releasing a new edition now, after a price hike, when few will be able to even play seems as tone deaf and dumb as any company can be. I get they had this planned already but who is going to rush out to get these new books before they'll even be able to play any games and by the time they do the books will be invalidated most likely with pace of release ? Dumb dumb.

They are changing all the points around so even the current pace we kept up with if we did makes our books invalid for points, more dumb and annoying.

A promise of a year full of more Marines, forever Marines. With probably the same support for Necrons that Deathguard got when they shared the starter box which means at first, then a splash then the marine man train rolls ever forward.

They lied, again, on this last edition being a forever edition, with a living rules system, yeah it's no mystery at this point but some people do remember their half arsed promises and claims. At this point if they told me the sky was blue I'd need multiple reliable sources to be cited or I'd call them liar, and even then I'd still need to see it for myself.

All in all, I'm in fact not hyped, I'm just happy I got so few of these new books as they dropped and I feel bad for the people who did. This is a bad idea, full of lies and doubled down stupid promising nothing but a new age of more expensive burn and churn. All flash and no substance for a hyped reveal.

Pretty much sums up the new GW, a whole lot of promise and expectation but at the end of the day it's the same crap, at a faster pace, more expensive with less soul and more generic crap flavored with special new pointless James Workshop video cringe. The game itself is the fluffiest grim dark of cutesy we have even seen.

Okay, now try it again with about half the salt.

PA rules are going to be around until you get them rolled into an eventual codex update. For some armies that could be soon, but for most it's going to be a while. That makes those books valid. Plus some people collect those books for the lore and even make painting contest entries based on stuff they read in the lore. Rules are only half of GW's product and will only ever be half.

And as much as I didn't expect this to be 9th ed, I don't recall GW ever officially announcing no more editions. There were rumors, but it was never officially stated (if I'm wrong please provide proof so I can correct myself).

Basically you're making assumptions and getting mad because you assumed things that have no basis in facts.

I'm not going to go and dig around just to find the information for you, if you can't remember it that ain't my problem. They did say way way back at the start of 8th editions were a thing of the past and this was to be a living sustained and evolving ruleset. That was around the same time they said they realized bloat is what helped kill 7th and they went right ahead and bloated all up again. The only thing they say that is consistent is their lies which are every pushing forward. I'm sure there are others who remember when they said that, I remember because it was one of the things I held on to as I felt it was a good call.

**Agamemnon2**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Jacob29 wrote:
Do you think GW will ever slow down on Space Marine releases?

It's interesting to me that GW is now confident enough in the Primaris that they are making ones that replace Secundus Marines.

One could argue that Primaris bolter only squads, plasma only squads, jump dudes and hover rhinos and whatever were new animals and not just an attempt to make us buy new stuff.

But now Chainsaw and pistol dudes and bikes look like a straight up replacement.

Which is fine by me but interesting.

I really feel like this is going to be the edition where the Firstborn will be mothballed. GW has prepared a place for them already in Legends, as I doubt they would have set up that whole thing for the few meager variants and entries listed there at present. Within a year or two, I expect every Marine I own will be listed there, shiny and chrome. :-D

**Togusa**

The Iron Bishop wrote:
changemod wrote:
Bradeh wrote:

Necron side, if this is a starter box is looks crazy, probably best starter ever.

That one immortal off to the side is odd for a number of reasons. For one, if it is a starter set it wouldn’t have a single floating immortal, for another why would immortals be getting an update when they’re passably new and a multibuild?

I had the very same thought. I wonder if its possible that it is a "command leader" for the warriors, much like how almost every other troop choice has some sort of leader or champion rolled into it.

It would be strange if they also rolled out an entirely new box of immortals, since like you have said, they do still look fairly new, and look well next to the new warriors.

Where are these images coming from, they're not in the preview article?

**Overread**

A few moments messing in photoshop with the image which makes a few things clearer

Lower left looks certainly to be a chunkier new destroyer - you can clearly see the base and side vents. The large canoptek walker appears to have two forms on show.

**lord_blackfang**

Necron side looks overloaded with heroes

**ClockworkZion**

MalusCalibur wrote:
With regards to the Necron spiderbot, I don't hate the idea of it - but the execution, as always with GW, is excessive and makes it look rather daft. There is a half-decent model buried under all that guff, though.
Here it is with a little surgery to 'de-GW' it:

The Warriors are rubbish - it never felt to me like a kit that needed redoing, I don't like the damaged parts making them seem even more 'space Undead', and I seem to be alone in really liking the green rods and being incredibly disappointed to see them get phased out (har har).

I couldn't care less about the endless supply of marines or the Necron shelf diorama.

The Warriors were from 3rd ed and were fiddly messes that were easy to pose badly. Plus the molds wear down over time and the flash gets worse.

**Overread**

Togusa wrote:

Where are these images coming from, they're not in the preview article?

The GW LeaksDepartment - hence why they are tall taken with a blurry camera with the contrast shot to bits (probably loads of Vaseline rubbed all over the lens

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**Grimgold**

PenitentJake wrote:
The biggest disappoint for me is that the development schedule on genuinely new material has been pushed back three years.

Dexes for Emperor's Children, Traitor Guard, World Eaters and Imperial Agents could have been right around the corner.

Instead, we now have to count the days/ months/ years to get the new Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Generic Space Marine Dexes to be updated before we can even begin to dream about any of those other things that felt so close yesterday.

And if the Eldar dex Reboot comes out early in the cycle, I get ANOTHER edition where I buy the dex but can't start an army because half of the models I want are STILL finecast, and at a special new higher price to boot.

But who knows, right? One Aspect got updated this editions, so maybe by 14th edition we'll have all our aspects in plastic right?

Looking forward to freakin Primaris with chainswords though, right?

I suppose you could be happy that necrons are finally getting a model line update, after almost 8 years. Or that some glaring balance issues are being addressed with the edition change, or that GW is focusing the narrative on xenos after many many editions of chaos being the big bad. "But muh eldar..." I guess the eldar will just have to cry themselves to sleep on that giant pile of ITC tournament wins, and comfort themselves in the knowledge that they have been a top codex for several editions. It's tough being an eldar player, just ask them, or more likely you won't have to ask them they'll just tell you.

**CoreCommander**

ClockworkZion wrote:

The Warriors were from 3rd ed and were fiddly messes that were easy to pose badly. Plus the molds wear down over time and the flash gets worse.

I second that. Assembled a few of them recently and man how needlessly frustrating it was - ball joints were uneven and wouldn't stick to one another, the arm positioning was fiddly. I am super happy with the new warriors and the fact that they come in the starter.