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 Sasori wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel paint colors determine the toyetic factor for a lot of GW's products. I mean look at anything in studio Ultramarine paint schemes. Toyetic as he'll. But once the community gets ahold of it they tend to add that darker feel to the models through less clean and bright schemes.

The Black Templar paint scheme makes the Primaris models look 1000x better in my opinion.

I would go further and say almost any other chapter looks better. I have always hated Ultramarines being the poster boy chapter as their color scheme is just so... lame. It's just blue. Plain blue. Everything is blue.

Still better than their fluff though. 'Jack of all trades, masters of tactics, also masters of everything else.'

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel paint colors determine the toyetic factor for a lot of GW's products. I mean look at anything in studio Ultramarine paint schemes. Toyetic as he'll. But once the community gets ahold of it they tend to add that darker feel to the models through less clean and bright schemes.

The Black Templar paint scheme makes the Primaris models look 1000x better in my opinion.

I would go further and say almost any other chapter looks better. I have always hated Ultramarines being the poster boy chapter as their color scheme is just so... lame. It's just blue. Plain blue. Everything is blue.

Still better than their fluff though. 'Jack of all trades, masters of tactics, also masters of everything else.'

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if they one day transition. Look at the new Necron. I imagine most of the range will be repainted with the bronze look. Mainly because it looks good and not very Terminatory. The real question will be if we'll see a bronze Trazyn or Imotekh

Another example would be the Tau. They were always shown off with the orange color scheme before the white color scheme replaced them. And some of the Eldar stuff is getting Ynnari-ed. The question would be what would replace Ultramarines? Crimson Fist are blue, but were also poster boys once. Shame Guiliman is the Ultramarines primarch, so that'll be keeping them in the limelight for the next few years.

I vote Templars. Well loved, good high contrast color scheme and they were the poster Marines of 3rd.

StarFyre wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
On topic, the only models that are catching my eye are the bikers. Not perfect but they are good to have as an option.

As to aggressors, they are T5 with same save and more firepower. Maybe 9th will reveal a more comparable unit

oh sorry. for some reason i thought they dont get invul saves... and had 3+ armour saves. (termies were 2/5 i think)

Sanjay

You thought right, they dont get invulns and do have 3+ armor saves. They do get T5 and 3 Wounds.

Scrolling through the Instagram showed someone doing a Photoshop of the current Primaris Chaplain's head on our Loyalist Executioner and that looked pretty darn good in case you needed some inspiration.

So something I noticed is that "judicate" means "to judge" and with the Judicator carrying an Executioner's sword I guess GW is saying he is Judge, Jury and Executioner in one.

 Mr Morden wrote:


What else does the Marine range need?

Techmarines of all sorts, characters on bikes, jump pack characters mainly.

Plastic Thunderfire cannon would be nice...

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


What else does the Marine range need?

Techmarines of all sorts, characters on bikes, jump pack characters mainly.

We have Jump Pack characters already outside the Techmarine.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

I'm fairly convinced they'll be retconned to normal marines at some point, or they'll just drop the primaris word at some point and let the fluff reconcile itself as time goes on.

Tactical marines will be used in an interchangeable fashion with intercessors, bolt rifles will be interchangeable as bolters.

Maybe next edition it will start.

As an interim, I could see them potentially start to combine entries - tactical/assault/devastator/Bike squads could all be combined with their Primaris equivalents, with the Primaris upgrade a bought option for the unit. It would take some minor tweaking here and there, but the larger the Primaris range grows, the more impractical it becomes to keep both old and new marines in the one book as separate units. They either need to combine them, drop some old units, or split them out into a Primaris-specific codex.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So something I noticed is that "judicate" means "to judge" and with the Judicator carrying an Executioner's sword I guess GW is saying he is Judge, Jury and Executioner in one.

So forever named Judge Judy

Wrong judge.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would go further and say almost any other chapter looks better. I have always hated Ultramarines being the poster boy chapter as their color scheme is just so... lame. It's just blue. Plain blue. Everything is blue.

Still better than their fluff though. 'Jack of all trades, masters of tactics, also masters of everything else.'

I gotta agree with you here.

It's a blue color that reminds me of Duplo blocks, or some kinda preschool kids' toy. It's just that generic 'meh' blue. It kills me.

Well... I'll be. I hate being mostly right when making toungue in cheek ironic prediction.

However, the necrons seem to be getting a BUCKLOAD of stuff. At least some xenos are getting models and a lot of models at that!

A lot to unpack....

I didint manage to watch the whole thing live, but, I was immediately concerned as the very first thing said was something along the lines of "Well we wont beat a round the bush. We have a new edition. We were able to implement all the crazy ideas we had. It seems we gate a crazy idea every 60 seconds" - Having to bring 4 mostly uselesss book to a game makes sense plus having FAQ to FAQs makes perfect sense now... I mean can they really not see a problem with this approach... ugh...

But at least some sort of battle scribe type app is on the horizon. Maybe even some sort of living ruleset/Digital codex that will get FAQ within 2 weeks to go with the physical codex which is essentially incorrect after 2 week because of the "we have a wacky idea every 60 seconds" approach..

On the aesthetic front:

1. Logo - hate it. I'm in half a mind to try and get a petition going to bring it back. It was timeless. I really dislike the new logo... I thought it would grow on me but its just so bland and lame... YMMV.

3. Gothic'ed up Primarines - Really like those guys! Not sure abotu the chaplain chaosy looking dudes.. But at least it seems like 40k again. (Too bad about the logo..)

4. Non symetrical tripod Necron.. Ohh boy... For the love.. Thats gotta be the worse model ive seen GW make since I started back up in the hobby. Yieks...!

I certainly wont be starting a new army or buying any new books now. Was considering get the harlequin and DE books but might as well wait for the new Codexes.. Its going to be an expensive year it seems.

To all those who dug their heels in and said 9th edition is happening I guess I owe an apology for thinking you're bonkers. GW really are that dumb.. Good luck selling those PA /WD PA books lol.

Sheesh... things painted blue. Amirite?

I don't mind Ultramarines, especially HH era.

The problem is GW doesn't break up the solid blue colour scheme enough. It would look a lot nicer if they had the pauldrons white with gold trim, gold knee pads. More bling.

They also don't do enough to make the blue pop. It's very flat.

That being said, Black Templars all the way. Best scheme, best chapter.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I don't mind Ultramarines, especially HH era.

The problem is GW doesn't break up the solid blue colour scheme enough. It would look a lot nicer if they had the pauldrons white with gold trim, gold knee pads. More bling.

They also don't do enough to make the blue pop. It's very flat.

That being said, Black Templars all the way. Best scheme, best chapter.

Personally much prefer Black Templar look but each to their own.
The chaos looking chaplain dudes im not sold on. Seems like some sort of heretical stuff going on

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I don't mind Ultramarines, especially HH era.

The problem is GW doesn't break up the solid blue colour scheme enough. It would look a lot nicer if they had the pauldrons white with gold trim, gold knee pads. More bling.

They also don't do enough to make the blue pop. It's very flat.

That being said, Black Templars all the way. Best scheme, best chapter.

Ultramarines with more bling ???
Let's agree to disagree on this one
I am not certain either that's the necrons were the one in a dire need of so many new kits but... it's always nice to have ! I'm super happy for the new warriors, they really feel the same but better

 insaniak wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

I'm fairly convinced they'll be retconned to normal marines at some point, or they'll just drop the primaris word at some point and let the fluff reconcile itself as time goes on.

Tactical marines will be used in an interchangeable fashion with intercessors, bolt rifles will be interchangeable as bolters.

Maybe next edition it will start.

As an interim, I could see them potentially start to combine entries - tactical/assault/devastator/Bike squads could all be combined with their Primaris equivalents, with the Primaris upgrade a bought option for the unit. It would take some minor tweaking here and there, but the larger the Primaris range grows, the more impractical it becomes to keep both old and new marines in the one book as separate units. They either need to combine them, drop some old units, or split them out into a Primaris-specific codex.

Again, this feels like the natural progression of the marine line.

Canonically most(?) chapters should be using the Primaris method when creating new space marines, right? That means the current breed of marine would eventually peter out as their like are not being replenished, not to mention the ones that are crossing the Rubicon Primaris.

Eventually there wont be a need for qualifying Space Marines as specifically being primaris or not as they will all be primaris.

So too with the GW product lines. Though to be clear, I feel that's still many years off.

My best case scenario is a revamp of pre-primaris marine kits to be in line with the Space Marine Heroes series of miniatures.

maybe we just need an optional 41k and 42k variant

Personally much prefer Black Templar look

Me too.

Ultramarines with more bling ???
Let's agree to disagree on this one

Their basic guys barely have anything on them. Very boring IMO.

In a perfect world, all their armour would be as ornamented as Guilliman.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
[ I'm fairly convinced they'll be retconned to normal marines at some point, or they'll just drop the primaris word at some point and let the fluff reconcile itself as time goes on.

Tactical marines will be used in an interchangeable fashion with intercessors, bolt rifles will be interchangeable as bolters.

Maybe next edition it will start.

I do not think we will see a retcon because of the Horus Heresy. The firstborns are so entrenched in that lore. My gut is telling me that 9th will be the final edition of 1W marines. The final campaign GW will kill off all the remaining firstborns and characters who did not cross the rubicon.

GW will eventually redo their normal marine units as primaris scale.

You'll be using primaris tacticals.

But because everything will be primaris, any marine model you deploy will be primaris.

The evidence is in the upcoming releases - the assault marines and bikers look like updates of existing normal units , but because they've created this primaris narrative they've had to release them that way.

We'll get primaris tactical squads and devestator squads eventually and the replacement will be complete.

Huh. Dark Imperium starter is already last chance to buy.
Didn't think that would happen quite that fast, given the release backlog that needs to be worked through

 Hellebore wrote:
GW will eventually redo their normal marine units as primaris scale.

You'll be using primaris tacticals.

But because everything will be primaris, any marine model you deploy will be primaris.

The evidence is in the upcoming releases - the assault marines and bikers look like updates of existing normal units , but because they've created this primaris narrative they've had to release them that way.

We'll get primaris tactical squads and devestator squads eventually and the replacement will be complete.

Maybe they will just side step the issue and we'll all move on as if the Primaris thing never happened and they were just normal marines all along. Once they all the same size.. They will just be marines am I right.

Voss wrote:
Huh. Dark Imperium starter is already last chance to buy.
Didn't think that would happen quite that fast, given the release backlog that needs to be worked through

Being a starter box, they probably have a massive stockpile still. LCTB means they won't make any more, but also helps them shift what they already have.

And shift it to start collecting Death Guard and possibly Primaris.

 Eldarain wrote:
And shift it to start collecting Death Guard and possibly Primaris.

Honestly I really wish they'd do that with more box sets. It'd make it easier to get exclusive models and the sets could be sold cheaper than a full multi-part set would be.

Here's the million dollar question:

Right now, one of the most popular games is Kill-Team.

I'm wondering if we'll see it revamped. I mean, it's fine the way it is- it's completely independent of 40k proper. But since they mentioned that the game would be re-balanced for every scale... I wonder if that'll mean we'll see some kind of Kill-Team option in the core rulebook for that.

Likely not, but wishful thinking. A Kill-Team game with some of the Crusade rules could be a decent enough start to making a pretty fun campaign game.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
And shift it to start collecting Death Guard and possibly Primaris.

Honestly I really wish they'd do that with more box sets. It'd make it easier to get exclusive models and the sets could be sold cheaper than a full multi-part set would be.

It makes sense to me for them to get some more life out of the investment.

Some precedence as well between the original AoS starter set and more recently Shadowspear. They even brought back Black Reach in a way with the Vedros sets.