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Is it really that much? I guess it does leave less area to hide from units (close combat or low weapon range) and make it easier to zone out parts of the board from deep strikers.

Wait! Are those bugs or features of a smaller board?

 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

There was/is a leaked image of the necron codex cover doing the rounds which i think we can assume is genuine based on the fact everything else leaked so far has been bang on the money. I think we can safely assume they will be very soon after the starter box lands but if i recall correctly neither the death guard codex or marine codex dropped day one when dark imperium was released?

I mean we know nothing about the psychic phase, how deep strikers will work. We already know there are multiple changes to how reinforcements will arrive. Heck we have no idea how the nuances of combat will work, I can see them getting rid of wrapping/model locking as a possibility(I hope, it just felt gamey doing it).

We don’t know how targeting rules will work, hopefully they make characters less obnoxious going forward.

Too many unknowns to say anything definitive about anything in regards to how it will impact things overall can just look at it in the context of what we know. I personally like the smaller length because if people keep using the same tables they have then playing/deploying the army will be easier. I have broken a lot of models as a result of having no place to put em.

I don’t see anyone having a real problem with maintain the 48 width because everything is measured from the middle anyway.

The board is 75% of the size it was before. That is a very significant difference in size.

There are plenty of argument as to why this is a good change (at least once threat ranges are rebalanced), but "you won't notice the difference anyway, going from 24 square feet to 18 is not a significant difference" is not one of them.

 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

Not likely to be Day One, but GW's said that a new Marine codex would be out Soon. Pretty much everyone assumes that Necrons will be right behind it to take advantage of the new players it brings in.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Or how Deep they deploy, but it will fix melee i heared, completely ignoring the fact that it will just be the extreme range outliers that will Profit even more from that.

Much Fun to be had getting a t1 dp with wings in your Face , much interaction aswell....

Oh wait

Watched Reese talk about everything that had released by Wens (it's in my post above) and he flat out said to forget what we know about 8th, just get it out of our mind. Basically the game has some big shifts I guess.

It's not balance related, so he might know what he's talking about in regards to the game changing.

You're really willing to believe "Stompas are good and Grey Knights don't care if Smite is nerfed for them" Reese?

That's why i said it wasn't involving claims of balance so it had some plausibility.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

Nope. They'll have Shadowspear booklets in the box for the each faction.

 alextroy wrote:
Is it really that much? I guess it does leave less area to hide from units (close combat or low weapon range) and make it easier to zone out parts of the board from deep strikers.

Wait! Are those bugs or features of a smaller board?

No, it simply makes it easier for the person with the first turn get all weapons in range to hit the opponent. Yeah that's a pretty big bug.

Wakshaani wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

Not likely to be Day One, but GW's said that a new Marine codex would be out Soon. Pretty much everyone assumes that Necrons will be right behind it to take advantage of the new players it brings in.

Yeah, we know they are the first two dexes, but we don't know when they are supposed to be out.

We've already been "Leaked" the huge Necron release that follows, so I imagine that's going to at least be a bit after 9th drops.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Or how Deep they deploy, but it will fix melee i heared, completely ignoring the fact that it will just be the extreme range outliers that will Profit even more from that.

Much Fun to be had getting a t1 dp with wings in your Face , much interaction aswell....

Oh wait

Watched Reese talk about everything that had released by Wens (it's in my post above) and he flat out said to forget what we know about 8th, just get it out of our mind. Basically the game has some big shifts I guess.

It's not balance related, so he might know what he's talking about in regards to the game changing.

You're really willing to believe "Stompas are good and Grey Knights don't care if Smite is nerfed for them" Reese?

That's why i said it wasn't involving claims of balance so it had some plausibility.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

Nope. They'll have Shadowspear booklets in the box for the each faction.

You're going off the notion of a broken clock being right twice a day, except it's most likely one of the other times right now.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Is it really that much? I guess it does leave less area to hide from units (close combat or low weapon range) and make it easier to zone out parts of the board from deep strikers.

Wait! Are those bugs or features of a smaller board?

No, it simply makes it easier for the person with the first turn get all weapons in range to hit the opponent. Yeah that's a pretty big bug.

Terrain and smaller army sizes means this is unlikely to be a big deal for ranged weaponry that requires LOS.

What I am more worried about is the interactions with units with either (1) huge melee threat ranges, particularly since these tend to have the fly keyword and are therefore mostly immune to terrain, and (2) indirect fire. Indirect fire is already borderline overpowered in 8th, and reducing the size of the board and adding more terrain only makes it even more powerful.

The uber-cheese Eldar EC/MS indirect fire list that takes 3 spinners and 9 weaver platforms is already an abomination in 8th; I think it is likely to be the first overpowered list in 9th, unless they really increase the points values by a huge amount with the 9th edition release.

 Sasori wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

Not likely to be Day One, but GW's said that a new Marine codex would be out Soon. Pretty much everyone assumes that Necrons will be right behind it to take advantage of the new players it brings in.

Yeah, we know they are the first two dexes, but we don't know when they are supposed to be out.

We've already been "Leaked" the huge Necron release that follows, so I imagine that's going to at least be a bit after 9th drops.

GW has said FW books and Deathwatch where high on the list for releases.

Chances are that cover we saw is for the Necrons minidex from the starter.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Or how Deep they deploy, but it will fix melee i heared, completely ignoring the fact that it will just be the extreme range outliers that will Profit even more from that.

Much Fun to be had getting a t1 dp with wings in your Face , much interaction aswell....

Oh wait

Watched Reese talk about everything that had released by Wens (it's in my post above) and he flat out said to forget what we know about 8th, just get it out of our mind. Basically the game has some big shifts I guess.

It's not balance related, so he might know what he's talking about in regards to the game changing.

You're really willing to believe "Stompas are good and Grey Knights don't care if Smite is nerfed for them" Reese?

That's why i said it wasn't involving claims of balance so it had some plausibility.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

Nope. They'll have Shadowspear booklets in the box for the each faction.

You're going off the notion of a broken clock being right twice a day, except it's most likely one of the other times right now.

I'm going off the notion that he's done his job and actually played some 9th ed games and has more insight into the new game than I do.

I wouldn't go off that notion, ever. He wants clicks.

 Sasori wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:


Not likely to be Day One, but GW's said that a new Marine codex would be out Soon. Pretty much everyone assumes that Necrons will be right behind it to take advantage of the new players it brings in.

Yeah, we know they are the first two dexes, but we don't know when they are supposed to be out.

We've already been "Leaked" the huge Necron release that follows, so I imagine that's going to at least be a bit after 9th drops.

Where was the new marine codex announced? All I've seen is talk of Deathwatch.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't go off that notion, ever. He wants clicks.

"Chillout and don't use your ideas of 8th to judge what you're hearing" is at least a sensible take.

I've never understood the Reece hate. He isn't always right, but I don't understand the contempt. He's pretty clearly a good guy who is trying to create a better game, even if he doesn't always succeed and his hot takes aren't always accurate. And him and the other folks at ITC have also clearly helped to improve 40k compared to what it would have been like without the ITC.

 xttz wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:


Not likely to be Day One, but GW's said that a new Marine codex would be out Soon. Pretty much everyone assumes that Necrons will be right behind it to take advantage of the new players it brings in.

Yeah, we know they are the first two dexes, but we don't know when they are supposed to be out.

We've already been "Leaked" the huge Necron release that follows, so I imagine that's going to at least be a bit after 9th drops.

Where was the new marine codex announced? All I've seen is talk of Deathwatch.

They mentioned a new marine book on one of the daily streams somewhere, although that might well be a crusade supplement which contains the new units perhaps.

Wait, why is everyone freaking out over the “new table size”? It’s a minimum size to play games on, and isn’t a must. I imagine most people will continue to play on the normal board size because that’s how big all the mats are. It hasn’t changed anything at all, other than making it slightly easier for people who don’t have a dedicated gaming table and use their dining table or whatever.

I don't think anybody will lose money betting on Marines being one of the first two codexes. 9th edition 40k is still 40k, folks.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wait, why is everyone freaking out over the “new table size”? It’s a minimum size to play games on, and isn’t a must. I imagine most people will continue to play on the normal board size because that’s how big all the mats are. It hasn’t changed anything at all, other than making it slightly easier for people who don’t have a dedicated gaming table and use their dining table or whatever.

Because ITC events are on the new minimum size and will no doubt make mats that size, but with people being people, that means ofc they have to do the same or they won't be as... cool...

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wait, why is everyone freaking out over the “new table size”? It’s a minimum size to play games on, and isn’t a must. I imagine most people will continue to play on the normal board size because that’s how big all the mats are. It hasn’t changed anything at all, other than making it slightly easier for people who don’t have a dedicated gaming table and use their dining table or whatever.

The competitive format will all change over to the smaller size, at least in America; even though the ITC isn't mandating it, almost all the big events have already announced they're switching, and that means the smaller events basically have to follow as well.

Whether we like it or not, this is happening - unless when people try it it turns out to be such a complete disaster that people go back to the old sizes because they have to for a decently balanced game.

Smaller table means less terrain. I am inherently against this.

yukishiro1 wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wait, why is everyone freaking out over the “new table size”? It’s a minimum size to play games on, and isn’t a must. I imagine most people will continue to play on the normal board size because that’s how big all the mats are. It hasn’t changed anything at all, other than making it slightly easier for people who don’t have a dedicated gaming table and use their dining table or whatever.

The competitive format will all change over to the smaller size, at least in America; even though the ITC isn't mandating it, almost all the big events have already announced they're switching, and that means the smaller events basically have to follow as well.

Whether we like it or not, this is happening - unless when people try it it turns out to be such a complete disaster that people go back to the old sizes because they have to for a decently balanced game.

I don’t understand why events are changing though. It clearly states in the article that it’s a minimum size and not a standard. I don’t go near tournaments luckily, but I can see why that would get some heckles up now.

As a semi related note, I feel like ranges across most weapons should get reduced. Would prevent alpha strike a little better and help melee, and make movement and positioning more engaging. Don’t know why tournament events would want to reduce the play area, perhaps to make room for more tables, meaning more people and more money?

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:


Not likely to be Day One, but GW's said that a new Marine codex would be out Soon. Pretty much everyone assumes that Necrons will be right behind it to take advantage of the new players it brings in.

Yeah, we know they are the first two dexes, but we don't know when they are supposed to be out.

We've already been "Leaked" the huge Necron release that follows, so I imagine that's going to at least be a bit after 9th drops.

Where was the new marine codex announced? All I've seen is talk of Deathwatch.

They mentioned a new marine book on one of the daily streams somewhere, although that might well be a crusade supplement which contains the new units perhaps.

That was a "rules in box" discussion in stream. All the rules for models in the starter will be in the starter.


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yukishiro1 wrote:
I don't think anybody will lose money betting on Marines being one of the first two codexes. 9th edition 40k is still 40k, folks.

Deathwatch are Marines so you are not wrong.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I don’t understand why events are changing though. It clearly states in the article that it’s a minimum size and not a standard. I don’t go near tournaments luckily, but I can see why that would get some heckles up now.

Mostly because it's easier to get multiple tables for that size and when 25% table space saved adds up when you need to provide space for 50+ players to play.

It's not just that. It's also that there's been a massive push with 9th to unify competitive 40k as a format. For the first time, GW bent over backwards to solicit input from all the major tournament formats and to entice them all to get on board with GW's official missions. For the time in god knows how long, we're likely to have the vast majority of competitive 40k events all running the same mission packs (at least initially - if turns out to be a disaster I'm sure there'll some pressure to ditch them; the same goes for the table sizes). There's a ton of effort being expended by everyone right now to create a unified format, and that extends to stuff like board sizes as well. For better or for worse, they seem to have got all the major players on board the official train for 9th.

I have heard that the tourney organizers were involved in the table size discussion and were aware of this particular change; they were just waiting for GW to announce it so they could in turn announce going to the new size. That changes the dynamic of the situation considerably, if true.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't go off that notion, ever. He wants clicks.

"Chillout and don't use your ideas of 8th to judge what you're hearing" is at least a sensible take.

When it goes directly against GW's repeated sentiment of the opposite...

I checked Necrons on the GW US webstore today, most were unavailable. Has that been consistent for a while, or is it new?

Probably reboxing a bunch of them with up to date artwork/new logos.

Have we gotten the same gung-ho commitment from the ETC guys?

Necronmaniac05 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Apologize if this has already been brought up, but this is a fast-moving thread…

With the new Space Marine and Necron miniatures shown, has there been any word of new army books for both as day one releases alongside 40K 9th?

There was/is a leaked image of the necron codex cover doing the rounds which i think we can assume is genuine based on the fact everything else leaked so far has been bang on the money. I think we can safely assume they will be very soon after the starter box lands but if i recall correctly neither the death guard codex or marine codex dropped day one when dark imperium was released?

Not the full version, but there were mini-codexes for the two factions in the box to cover the new units IIRC. Could be the same thing.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Smaller table means less terrain. I am inherently against this.

Or potentially denser terrain if we are lucky.