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 Alpharius wrote:
Do you think the new Marine Codex will come out at the same time as the Necron Codex, or will they give one or the other time to breath and sell related releases before unleashing the next?

8th edition dropped in June 2017. The first codices were Space Marines (July 2017), Chaos Space Marines and Grey Knights (August 2017), Adeptus Mechanicus and Death Guard (September 2017) according to Wikipedia. With the amount of new kits being released for both armies, I would not expect both codices to be dropped simultaneously and to follow something similar to the early 8th edition release schedule.

Except SM got a codex not too long ago.

I doubt even GW would release a SM codex again so soon, it going to turn the 9th edition release into a shitshow, and they are smart enough to see it coming.

Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Except SM got a codex not too long ago.

I doubt even GW would release a SM codex again so soon, it going to turn the 9th edition release into a shitshow, and they are smart enough to see it coming.

They've already confirmed it one of the streams, and that it and the Necron dex will be among the first ones for the new edition.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.

I think we are past that point, the codex and Necron release is already likely done and sitting in a warehouse already.

 Sasori wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Except SM got a codex not too long ago.

I doubt even GW would release a SM codex again so soon, it going to turn the 9th edition release into a shitshow, and they are smart enough to see it coming.

They've already confirmed it one of the streams, and that it and the Necron dex will be among the first ones for the new edition.

The Deathwatch Codex was also mentioned are coming out very soon.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.

I doubt Pariah will have all (or any) of the new units we'll see released for 9th edition therefore a new codex does make sense.

Yeah, 9th would already be out by now - likely even the first Codex - without the pandemic closing their factory for a couple months and therefore preventing them from getting the new ad mech models ready, which delayed engine war hugely, and in turn pushed back the timeline on getting the new necron and space marine models churned out.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Do you think the new Marine Codex will come out at the same time as the Necron Codex, or will they give one or the other time to breath and sell related releases before unleashing the next?

8th edition dropped in June 2017. The first codices were Space Marines (July 2017), Chaos Space Marines and Grey Knights (August 2017), Adeptus Mechanicus and Death Guard (September 2017) according to Wikipedia. With the amount of new kits being released for both armies, I would not expect both codices to be dropped simultaneously and to follow something similar to the early 8th edition release schedule.

Actual information (and not unsubstantiated weird opinions) is always appreciated - thanks Ghaz!

So, probably a month for each new release out of the gate - I wonder which one will be first?

Odds are Space Marines, but I wouldn't be shocked if it is Necrons first.

 Sasori wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Except SM got a codex not too long ago.

I doubt even GW would release a SM codex again so soon, it going to turn the 9th edition release into a shitshow, and they are smart enough to see it coming.

They've already confirmed it one of the streams, and that it and the Necron dex will be among the first ones for the new edition.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.

I think we are past that point, the codex and Necron release is already likely done and sitting in a warehouse already.

FW and Deathwatch were the only confirmed rules I recall hearing in the streams.

They were on a pretty regular release schedule for the PA books. We would be getting Pariah right about now following a plague free trajectory. So I think 9th in Mid to late July was always the plan.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Except SM got a codex not too long ago.

I doubt even GW would release a SM codex again so soon, it going to turn the 9th edition release into a shitshow, and they are smart enough to see it coming.

As said, it's already been said.

Also, anything else would make absolutely no sense from a retail / sales perspective.


The starter box (Marines vs. Necrons) is gonna be the bread and butter of every GW store in the world, and literally every add-on sale to that box is going to be the Necrons and Marines Codex.

They're not gonna be having store managers explaining every new excited twelve year old that just split the box or got it for his birthday, that the add-on Codex to expand from that doesn't have the cool bikers and is partly outdated on points, doesn't have the newfangled Crusade stuff, etc.., etc..

Those Top 10, Top 20 sellers of the GW inventory that drive sales, especially with new customers, just sit on a different priority.

This is the way.


Hell, it's arguably the main reason there was a second Codex for Chaos Marines and Space Marines in 8th and not for other factions. Because Shadowspear existed and was kind of an 8.5 starter box as far as driving sales, thus the two factions in there needed an updated add-on book whereas the rest of the range did not.

I can see it now: "We listened to all the complaints about codex space marines and it's dominance, so in an attempt to address these concerns and bring you new crusade content here is the first codex of 9th edition - Codex Space Marines"

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Except SM got a codex not too long ago.

I doubt even GW would release a SM codex again so soon, it going to turn the 9th edition release into a shitshow, and they are smart enough to see it coming.

They've already confirmed it one of the streams, and that it and the Necron dex will be among the first ones for the new edition.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.

I think we are past that point, the codex and Necron release is already likely done and sitting in a warehouse already.

FW and Deathwatch were the only confirmed rules I recall hearing in the streams.

I don't remember exactly which stream it was, but the first confirmation was one of the first ones when they were talking about Crusade, and the new Crusade rules in the new SM dex.

One other stream mentioned that SM and Necrons would be among the first new codex's released that edition. I don't remember which one that was either.

Eldarain wrote:They were on a pretty regular release schedule for the PA books. We would be getting Pariah right about now following a plague free trajectory. So I think 9th in Mid to late July was always the plan.

Yeah, I think broadly this is correct. I think Pariah was likely supposed to come out sooner, since it's story was the bridge to 9th, but I am pretty certain that this summer release was always going to be 9th and some of the other releaes (Like AoS) have been pushed for this.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Except SM got a codex not too long ago.

I doubt even GW would release a SM codex again so soon, it going to turn the 9th edition release into a shitshow, and they are smart enough to see it coming.

As said, it's already been said.

Also, anything else would make absolutely no sense from a retail / sales perspective.


The starter box (Marines vs. Necrons) is gonna be the bread and butter of every GW store in the world, and literally every add-on sale to that box is going to be the Necrons and Marines Codex.

They're not gonna be having store managers explaining every new excited twelve year old that just split the box or got it for his birthday, that the add-on Codex to expand from that doesn't have the cool bikers and is partly outdated on points, doesn't have the newfangled Crusade stuff, etc.., etc..

Those Top 10, Top 20 sellers of the GW inventory that drive sales, especially with new customers, just sit on a different priority.

This is the way.


Hell, it's arguably the main reason there was a second Codex for Chaos Marines and Space Marines in 8th and not for other factions. Because Shadowspear existed and was kind of an 8.5 starter box as far as driving sales, thus the two factions in there needed an updated add-on book whereas the rest of the range did not.

GW said during the Q&A that all the models would have rules in box just like Shadowspear did.


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 Sasori wrote:

I don't remember exactly which stream it was, but the first confirmation was one of the first ones when they were talking about Crusade, and the new Crusade rules in the new SM dex.

One other stream mentioned that SM and Necrons would be among the first new codex's released that edition. I don't remember which one that was either.

I remember that SM codex comment and it was basically "for example when it gets updated it'll have rules for Crusade".

I’m thinking necrons first since they have more new kits. Followed by space marine. Remember there are still more primaris kits that were leaked that haven’t been shown yet or at least the landspeeder. They will probably show off the rest of this primaris wave before they release the next codex.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
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 Sasori wrote:

I don't remember exactly which stream it was, but the first confirmation was one of the first ones when they were talking about Crusade, and the new Crusade rules in the new SM dex.

One other stream mentioned that SM and Necrons would be among the first new codex's released that edition. I don't remember which one that was either.

I remember that SM codex comment and it was basically "for example when it gets updated it'll have rules for Crusade".

I recall the stream well. They in no way said there was a new Codex Space Marine coming up. They have used the "space marine character being interned in a dreadnought" a number of times as the sort of things you will see in Codex specific Crusade context, but not in a way to imply that a codex is due out soon. I will be roundly shocked to get a new Codex Space Marines less than 12 months after the last version. Players, both Space Marine and non-Space Marine, will be justifiably angry should they do that. Especially should such a codex lack the revised Doctrine rules that they only put out a few months ago.

 alextroy wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
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 Sasori wrote:

I don't remember exactly which stream it was, but the first confirmation was one of the first ones when they were talking about Crusade, and the new Crusade rules in the new SM dex.

One other stream mentioned that SM and Necrons would be among the first new codex's released that edition. I don't remember which one that was either.

I remember that SM codex comment and it was basically "for example when it gets updated it'll have rules for Crusade".

I recall the stream well. They in no way said there was a new Codex Space Marine coming up. They have used the "space marine character being interned in a dreadnought" a number of times as the sort of things you will see in Codex specific Crusade context, but not in a way to imply that a codex is due out soon. I will be roundly shocked to get a new Codex Space Marines less than 12 months after the last version. Players, both Space Marine and non-Space Marine, will be justifiably angry should they do that. Especially should such a codex lack the revised Doctrine rules that they only put out a few months ago.

I guess I just misremembered it then.

 alextroy wrote:
I recall the stream well. They in no way said there was a new Codex Space Marine coming up. They have used the "space marine character being interned in a dreadnought" a number of times as the sort of things you will see in Codex specific Crusade context, but not in a way to imply that a codex is due out soon. I will be roundly shocked to get a new Codex Space Marines less than 12 months after the last version. Players, both Space Marine and non-Space Marine, will be justifiably angry should they do that. Especially should such a codex lack the revised Doctrine rules that they only put out a few months ago.

they also said that the Crusade rules/option will come for each faction with their new Codex, so either the new Core Box factions are not able to play Crusade against each other for some time, Marines will get an extra Crusade Booklet while others will not, or there is a new Codex coming

either way, someone will be angry

and regarding the Doctrine rules, of those are still in, and there is a new Codex after launch, it won't be the changed one as the Codex must have been printed before the change was made

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yeah, 9th would already be out by now - likely even the first Codex - without the pandemic closing their factory for a couple months and therefore preventing them from getting the new ad mech models ready, which delayed engine war hugely, and in turn pushed back the timeline on getting the new necron and space marine models churned out.

I strongly doubt that, they were pretty consistently releasing one PA book per month before the shutdown and so Pariah would have been set for a June release regardless, that makes me think 9th was always set to release in July.

There were leaks of the Necron Codex cover. It is allready done. Buying PA as a necron player is a little... useless. Just like death guard and space marines it will be one of the two first codex of the edition.

BrianDavion wrote:
if 8th edition is any indication there will be a month or so between faction releases

I can see GW slowing down for 9th.
8th was a bit "reboot" session for GW, same as AoS 2.0 was. In terms of releases the core focus was getting all the armies codex'ed up and up to date in one big go. I can envision that with the codex for 8th edition working in 9th, GW might well slow things down so that updates are bigger. Shifting back a bit to the older pattern of a slower rate, but with bigger changes. Eg the Necron update is clearly going to be pretty huge with not just updates to old models, but big additions to the arm as well with several new units and leaders and perhaps new additions to existing units getting updated models (eg warriors appear to have a new weapon).

Slowing down and doing bigger updates in model terms makes the new codex far more viable to buy for gamers, esp considering some are not that old.

I envision the same for AoS 3.0 as well.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

They're not gonna be having store managers explaining every new excited twelve year old that just split the box or got it for his birthday, that the add-on Codex to expand from that doesn't have the cool bikers and is partly outdated on points

Completely outdated on points. Every codex will be as all point values are getting revised for 9th after the recent general revision for CA2019. No points in any Codex have any meaning for 9th- if they're the same its pure coincidence, as they will be at least two iterations out of date (some of the older codexes are...four or five iterations out of date?)

But I agree, SM will be relatively early in the 9th cycle, probably 2nd, maybe 3rd. They're getting a pile of brand new stuff, and there's only so long GW will sit on a shiny new codex with new stuff for Space Marines. Whether they can leave marines alone for a while after that is the real question. Besides which, they need to do the general book relatively early so they can revise the snowflake chapters without creating an even bigger mess (or leaving them in the dirt again when the main SM codex does get revised). They spent most of a year getting them on the same page with PA (except DW and GK), no need to muck it all back up the way they did in previous editions, where the DA codex came out as a sacrificial offering, then the main marine codex changed design directions and spit all over the poor schmucks.

 kodos wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

I remember that SM codex comment and it was basically "for example when it gets updated it'll have rules for Crusade".

I recall the stream well. They in no way said there was a new Codex Space Marine coming up. They have used the "space marine character being interned in a dreadnought" a number of times as the sort of things you will see in Codex specific Crusade context, but not in a way to imply that a codex is due out soon. I will be roundly shocked to get a new Codex Space Marines less than 12 months after the last version. Players, both Space Marine and non-Space Marine, will be justifiably angry should they do that. Especially should such a codex lack the revised Doctrine rules that they only put out a few months ago.

they also said that the Crusade rules/option will come for each faction with their new Codex, so either the new Core Box factions are not able to play Crusade against each other for some time, Marines will get an extra Crusade Booklet while others will not, or there is a new Codex coming

either way, someone will be angry

and regarding the Doctrine rules, of those are still in, and there is a new Codex after launch, it won't be the changed one as the Codex must have been printed before the change was made

New SM is coming out straight, the only thing that isn’t clear yet is what’s the fate of the supplements. Most likely everything will be invalid. I doubt this is a big problem for the player base that is already cutting their game mats and building entirely different style army lists.

Here's some 4chan rumors for the Necrons in the starter set. For the record, I don't beleive them. I think they just used some guess work to make some things that seem reasonable.

I would be pissed if all the supplements and codex is already invalid, the stuff only came out last year.

Dubious about this. It looks like a list of educated guesses and the stats for the Hyperphase reap-blade don't line up with the one they revealed (they showed the statline and it made no mention of a -1 to hit).

If these are true, then a few things:
Gauss reapers are wayyyyy better than flayers. Hell, they're better than Gauss blasters.

Skorptekh destroyers look decent, their viability depends on strats and dynasty traits. Rerolling RP after killing a unit is cool.

Canoptek Stalker (presumably the smaller of the war of the worlds walkers) - not great. Gives an inv save and spreads auras, but without character rule it'll just die super quickly.

Immortal Overseer - poop. Moral isn't a huge issue for necrons. Might see some limited use as a filler HQ, since assuming he'd be dirt cheap with those stats.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.

Given the length of time it takes to get a book to print, that Necron Codex has been finished for a while. PA won't be a beta test.

IanVanCheese wrote:


Immortal Overseer - poop. Moral isn't a huge issue for necrons. Might see some limited use as a filler HQ, since assuming he'd be dirt cheap with those stats.

It is if you are playing warrior hordes.
I can see taking the Overseer so you don't have to take Immortal Pride to stop warriors from retreating.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.

Given the length of time it takes to get a book to print, that Necron Codex has been finished for a while. PA won't be a beta test.

I disagree. I'm saying there is no Necron codex ready to go, if they've startes it at all.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

IanVanCheese wrote:


Immortal Overseer - poop. Moral isn't a huge issue for necrons. Might see some limited use as a filler HQ, since assuming he'd be dirt cheap with those stats.

It is if you are playing warrior hordes.
I can see taking the Overseer so you don't have to take Immortal Pride to stop warriors from retreating.

Eh, maybe. It's still niche. Like I said, depends how cheap he is and how good other HQ choices are. He might actually see more use if he's a cheap elite, to help us fill out a Brigade. the rest of our elites are expensive.