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**Sasori**

ClockworkZion wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.
Given the length of time it takes to get a book to print, that Necron Codex has been finished for a while. PA won't be a beta test.

I disagree. I'm saying there is no Necron codex ready to go, if they've startes it at all.

I'm really curious to hear your reasoning for this.

**ClockworkZion**

Sasori wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.
Given the length of time it takes to get a book to print, that Necron Codex has been finished for a while. PA won't be a beta test.

I disagree. I'm saying there is no Necron codex ready to go, if they've startes it at all.

I'm really curious to hear your reasoning for this.

GW these days has a better finger on the pulse of the community and it'd be counter to their current focus to release something like Pariah followed immediately by an updated codex. They may have mistepped in 8th in places but it was usually in response to community response (buffing the previously crap Marines for example).

Besides, they'd make more money from people if they sold the new units in Pariah now, and again later in a codex instead of getting people to not buy Pariah.

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On a different note this weeks WHC preview mentions:

"It’s going to be another full week here on the Warhammer Community website as we continue to look ahead to the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. We’ll be taking a closer look at Vehicles, monstrous creatures, blast weapons and terrain, as well as previewing rules from War of the Spider."

**yukishiro1**

Yes, their excellent pulse on the community definitely explains why they put off plans to increase prices during a global...

Oh, bother.

They're pushing out Pariah now because they don't want to reveal the Necron codex until they're sold people Pariah.

They're already hyping up the rationale for this by saying that codexes this time around aren't so much about gameplay (sound familiar?) and instead are about crusade and fluff and "being a greatest hits of past releases."

At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if Pariah has necron content you can use in 9th edition that will not be replaced by the Codex and will not be in the Codex, with the explanation that you can buy both to get the full experience, because the Codex is just a greatest hit reel.

**protonhunter**

New model mean a new codex for necrons, GW just doesn’t release new models without the rules written somewhere. Pariah would have been out for months if not for the pandemic. Necrons will likely be the first new codex of the new edition followed by SM. Then they’ll have an accelerated release schedule just like last edition so we’ll likely see everything updated with 2 years.

Sadly with necrons getting a huge release that means for us chaos players waiting on EC and WE we’ll just have to wait.

**Marshal Loss**

There isn't a chance in hell that the Necron codex hasn't been started yet.It will be done and ready to go at this stage, without a doubt.

**GaroRobe**

I feel like the Necron Codex has to be done at this point. We've seen new units and I can't imagine ALL of them are exclusive to Pariah. Illuminor Szeras getting new rules via the PA book makes sense. But the Silent King, a half a starter set which has at least 4-5 new units, and all the other new goodies coming out would be too much for one book that also has rules for othe factions, as well as lore.

Although, I suppose you could argue the new skitarii units were introduced in their PA book. But that's only 7 units. Three boxes with 2-3 different builds.

**ClockworkZion**

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yes, their excellent pulse on the community definitely explains why they put off plans to increase prices during a global...

Oh, bother.

They're pushing out Pariah now because they don't want to reveal the Necron codex until they're sold people Pariah.

They're already hyping up the rationale for this by saying that codexes this time around aren't so much about gameplay (sound familiar?) and instead are about crusade and fluff and "being a greatest hits of past releases."

At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if Pariah has necron content you can use in 9th edition that will not be replaced by the Codex and will not be in the Codex, with the explanation that you can buy both to get the full experience, because the Codex is just a greatest hit reel.

Prices aren't set by the game devs, but go on and cry about something set by the the bean counters and suits while blaming the wrong people.

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protonhunter wrote:
New model mean a new codex for necrons, GW just doesn’t release new models without the rules written somewhere. Pariah would have been out for months if not for the pandemic. Necrons will likely be the first new codex of the new edition followed by SM. Then they’ll have an accelerated release schedule just like last edition so we’ll likely see everything updated with 2 years.

Sadly with necrons getting a huge release that means for us chaos players waiting on EC and WE we’ll just have to wait.

Ah yes, because new models meant a new codex for Ad Mech...

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GaroRobe wrote:
I feel like the Necron Codex has to be done at this point. We've seen new units and I can't imagine ALL of them are exclusive to Pariah. Illuminor Szeras getting new rules via the PA book makes sense. But the Silent King, a half a starter set which has at least 4-5 new units, and all the other new goodies coming out would be too much for one book that also has rules for othe factions, as well as lore.

Although, I suppose you could argue the new skitarii units were introduced in their PA book. But that's only 7 units. Three boxes with 2-3 different builds.

Starter box models will be in their box. Pariah could cover the rest.

**yukishiro1**

And you think release schedules are set by the game devs and not the bean counters and suits?

Nobody's crying, mate. No need to get upset.

**ClockworkZion**

yukishiro1 wrote:
And you think release schedules are set by the game devs and not the bean counters and suits?

Nobody's crying, mate. No need to get upset.

GW has shown that they still follow a dev cycle where the studio works on their own pace on things. There is clearly some level of executive involvement, but considering the lead times on books that seems to be more of which window they slot releases into over pushing hard deadlines or mandating specific armies be updated.

And you clearly don't know what my "upset" sounds like so stop projecting your personal chaffed backside onto others.

**yukishiro1**

I wasn't aware that anyone was teasing me about my backside. Perhaps you meant "chafed?" In any case, I'm sure you're correct that I'm the one losing my cool here.

If you want to think the release schedule and strategy for the new edition of GW's flagship property has been set by developers and not by senior management in the company, you're welcome to do so - and I might have a bridge you're interested in, as well?

**ClockworkZion**

yukishiro1 wrote:
I wasn't aware that anyone was teasing me about my backside. Perhaps you meant "chafed?" In any case, I'm sure you're correct that I'm the one losing my cool here.

If you want to think the release schedule and strategy for the new edition of GW's flagship property has been set by developers and not by senior management in the company, you're welcome to do so - and I might have a bridge you're interested in, as well?

Regardless of what you believe there has been no counter-claims that disprove my own.

We'll know on the 11th when they do the ongoing since I firmly believs the leaked cover we saw goes to the Necron mini dex in the box.

**JNAProductions**

ClockworkZion wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
I wasn't aware that anyone was teasing me about my backside. Perhaps you meant "chafed?" In any case, I'm sure you're correct that I'm the one losing my cool here.

If you want to think the release schedule and strategy for the new edition of GW's flagship property has been set by developers and not by senior management in the company, you're welcome to do so - and I might have a bridge you're interested in, as well?

Regardless of what you believe there has been no counter-claims that disprove my own.

We'll know on the 11th when they do the ongoing since I firmly believs the leaked cover we saw goes to the Necron mini dex in the box.

You've not provided any proof for your claims. You just stated them first.

**ClockworkZion**

Marshal Loss wrote:
There isn't a chance in hell that the Necron codex hasn't been started yet.It will be done and ready to go at this stage, without a doubt.

Started was definitely too strong of a statement, but regardless, I don't think it's coming out following the release of 9th. I think what we're going to see is just what they said was coming: Forge World updates and Deathwatch.

**BrianDavion**

IanVanCheese wrote:
Dubious about this. It looks like a list of educated guesses and the stats for the Hyperphase reap-blade don't line up with the one they revealed (they showed the statline and it made no mention of a -1 to hit).

If these are true, then a few things:
Gauss reapers are wayyyyy better than flayers. Hell, they're better than Gauss blasters.

Skorptekh destroyers look decent, their viability depends on strats and dynasty traits. Rerolling RP after killing a unit is cool.

Canoptek Stalker (presumably the smaller of the war of the worlds walkers) - not great. Gives an inv save and spreads auras, but without character rule it'll just die super quickly.

Immortal Overseer - poop. Moral isn't a huge issue for necrons. Might see some limited use as a filler HQ, since assuming he'd be dirt cheap with those stats.

remember morale is getting changed for 9th, it's possiable that Units that help mitigate moral are gonna be important for everyone.

**ClockworkZion**

JNAProductions wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
I wasn't aware that anyone was teasing me about my backside. Perhaps you meant "chafed?" In any case, I'm sure you're correct that I'm the one losing my cool here.

If you want to think the release schedule and strategy for the new edition of GW's flagship property has been set by developers and not by senior management in the company, you're welcome to do so - and I might have a bridge you're interested in, as well?

Regardless of what you believe there has been no counter-claims that disprove my own.

We'll know on the 11th when they do the ongoing since I firmly believs the leaked cover we saw goes to the Necron mini dex in the box.
You've not provided any proof for your claims. You just stated them first.

Point stands, we'll know when they do the unboxing since I've made fairly clear predictions about that cover and what I think is going to happen with Necrons if only because double dipping fits their modus operandi over pissing everyone off by releasing the codex right after they drop Pariah.

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BrianDavion wrote:
IanVanCheese wrote:
Dubious about this. It looks like a list of educated guesses and the stats for the Hyperphase reap-blade don't line up with the one they revealed (they showed the statline and it made no mention of a -1 to hit).

If these are true, then a few things:
Gauss reapers are wayyyyy better than flayers. Hell, they're better than Gauss blasters.

Skorptekh destroyers look decent, their viability depends on strats and dynasty traits. Rerolling RP after killing a unit is cool.

Canoptek Stalker (presumably the smaller of the war of the worlds walkers) - not great. Gives an inv save and spreads auras, but without character rule it'll just die super quickly.

Immortal Overseer - poop. Moral isn't a huge issue for necrons. Might see some limited use as a filler HQ, since assuming he'd be dirt cheap with those stats.

remember morale is getting changed for 9th, it's possiable that Units that help mitigate moral are gonna be important for everyone.

Generally speaking I'd take "leaks" from /tg/ with salt since they've been known to make stuff up to troll the community.

**Sasori**

ClockworkZion wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
I wasn't aware that anyone was teasing me about my backside. Perhaps you meant "chafed?" In any case, I'm sure you're correct that I'm the one losing my cool here.

If you want to think the release schedule and strategy for the new edition of GW's flagship property has been set by developers and not by senior management in the company, you're welcome to do so - and I might have a bridge you're interested in, as well?

Regardless of what you believe there has been no counter-claims that disprove my own.

We'll know on the 11th when they do the ongoing since I firmly believs the leaked cover we saw goes to the Necron mini dex in the box.
You've not provided any proof for your claims. You just stated them first.

Point stands, we'll know when they do the unboxing since I've made fairly clear predictions about that cover and what I think is going to happen with Necrons if only because double dipping fits their modus operandi over pissing everyone off by releasing the codex right after they drop Pariah.

That being the cover of the mini rules does not exclude there being a finished codex. I honestly don't feel like that picture looked like a Codex cover.

We've already seen the pictures for the huge release that the Necrons are getting, and while this may be a month or two after 9th there is no way I could see that the codex is not done by now to go with that release.

**ClockworkZion**

Sasori wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
I wasn't aware that anyone was teasing me about my backside. Perhaps you meant "chafed?" In any case, I'm sure you're correct that I'm the one losing my cool here.

If you want to think the release schedule and strategy for the new edition of GW's flagship property has been set by developers and not by senior management in the company, you're welcome to do so - and I might have a bridge you're interested in, as well?

Regardless of what you believe there has been no counter-claims that disprove my own.

We'll know on the 11th when they do the ongoing since I firmly believs the leaked cover we saw goes to the Necron mini dex in the box.
You've not provided any proof for your claims. You just stated them first.

Point stands, we'll know when they do the unboxing since I've made fairly clear predictions about that cover and what I think is going to happen with Necrons if only because double dipping fits their modus operandi over pissing everyone off by releasing the codex right after they drop Pariah.

That being the cover of the mini rules does not exclude there being a finished codex. I honestly don't feel like that picture looked like a Codex cover.

We've already seen the pictures for the huge release that the Necrons are getting, and while this may be a month or two after 9th there is no way I could see that the codex is not done by now to go with that release.

Fair, but I still doubt we'll be seeing it in the same quarter as the edition release at least. Maybe at the end of the year, but I'm thinking 2021 at the soonest for it and Space Marines.

**tneva82**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
IanVanCheese wrote:

Immortal Overseer - poop. Moral isn't a huge issue for necrons. Might see some limited use as a filler HQ, since assuming he'd be dirt cheap with those stats.

It is if you are playing warrior hordes.
I can see taking the Overseer so you don't have to take Immortal Pride to stop warriors from retreating.

Well the warriors would first need huge buff to be worth it to field :t for the unusual case of them not simply deleted in one go

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ClockworkZion wrote:
Sasori wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Pariah dropping right before 9th is why I doubt we're going to see Necrons in codex form right away. Easier to use Psychci Awakening as an open beta and finalize things in the codex proper later.
Given the length of time it takes to get a book to print, that Necron Codex has been finished for a while. PA won't be a beta test.

I disagree. I'm saying there is no Necron codex ready to go, if they've startes it at all.

I'm really curious to hear your reasoning for this.

GW these days has a better finger on the pulse of the community and it'd be counter to their current focus to release something like Pariah followed immediately by an updated codex. They may have mistepped in 8th in places but it was usually in response to community response (buffing the previously crap Marines for example).

Besides, they'd make more money from people if they sold the new units in Pariah now, and again later in a codex instead of getting people to not buy Pariah.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
On a different note this weeks WHC preview mentions:

"It’s going to be another full week here on the Warhammer Community website as we continue to look ahead to the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. We’ll be taking a closer look at Vehicles, monstrous creatures, blast weapons and terrain, as well as previewing rules from War of the Spider."

Lol no they don't. And releasing new codex is just print money. Pariah? Leave that stuff out of codex and players need to buy both

**Dudeface**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Sasori wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
I wasn't aware that anyone was teasing me about my backside. Perhaps you meant "chafed?" In any case, I'm sure you're correct that I'm the one losing my cool here.

If you want to think the release schedule and strategy for the new edition of GW's flagship property has been set by developers and not by senior management in the company, you're welcome to do so - and I might have a bridge you're interested in, as well?

Regardless of what you believe there has been no counter-claims that disprove my own.

We'll know on the 11th when they do the ongoing since I firmly believs the leaked cover we saw goes to the Necron mini dex in the box.
You've not provided any proof for your claims. You just stated them first.

Point stands, we'll know when they do the unboxing since I've made fairly clear predictions about that cover and what I think is going to happen with Necrons if only because double dipping fits their modus operandi over pissing everyone off by releasing the codex right after they drop Pariah.

That being the cover of the mini rules does not exclude there being a finished codex. I honestly don't feel like that picture looked like a Codex cover.

We've already seen the pictures for the huge release that the Necrons are getting, and while this may be a month or two after 9th there is no way I could see that the codex is not done by now to go with that release.

Fair, but I still doubt we'll be seeing it in the same quarter as the edition release at least. Maybe at the end of the year, but I'm thinking 2021 at the soonest for it and Space Marines.

Theyve shown what 12+ new kits/units, which if they intend to release them soon (I'd guess they do bearing in mind they've shown us them), they aren't packing all that in a mini codex nor in a supplemental release that was supposed to be released before 9th was presumably revealed.

**H.B.M.C.**

There's no way the book isn't already done.

**Matt.Kingsley**

We've already seen the codex cover, haven't we? Wasn't that leaked at the same time as all the model renders?

**Eldarain**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
We've already seen the codex cover, haven't we? Wasn't that leaked at the same time as all the model renders?

Possibility that is just a minidex cover in the starter. Shadowspear had proper codex looking mini versions for it's contents.

I'm on team early Necron codex as there's far too many kits combined with the big sales push of featuring in the starter.

**kodos**

We don't know if this was a Codex Cover a just a booklet that is in the Starter Box

We also don't know yet if there is only one starter box or if single faction release is a thing (so it could be a Box-Art too)

A prediction on the information we have:

Release/Pre-Order is beginn of July (as always) with the 2 Player Box

I guess army boxes with the core models are a thing and released in August
coming either together with the Codex or as a mid release shortly before a Codex

One faction in August, the other one in September

a new CA the same time around (September/October) with updates beyond day 1 Errata

PS: GW prints their books 6 months in advance, so everything that is released until sommer was already done in 2019

**Tiberius501**

Can we stop arguing about whether the codex is finished or not? Literally no one knows haha so this is a really pointless argument. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
We can predict though that it’ll be released a little bit after the starter box, as they’ll want to sell the starter box for a bit first, like they did with Dark Imperium and the DG/C:SM.

**BlaxicanX**

Tiberius501 wrote:
Can we stop arguing about whether the codex is finished or not? Literally no one knows haha so this is a really pointless argument. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
We can predict though that it’ll be released a little bit after the starter box, as they’ll want to sell the starter box for a bit first, like they did with Dark Imperium and the DG/C:SM.

What would you like to argue about instead?

**Tiberius501**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
Can we stop arguing about whether the codex is finished or not? Literally no one knows haha so this is a really pointless argument. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
We can predict though that it’ll be released a little bit after the starter box, as they’ll want to sell the starter box for a bit first, like they did with Dark Imperium and the DG/C:SM.
What would you like to argue about instead?

I mean... we could always leave this thread for news haha.

**BrianDavion**

Tiberius501 wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
Can we stop arguing about whether the codex is finished or not? Literally no one knows haha so this is a really pointless argument. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
We can predict though that it’ll be released a little bit after the starter box, as they’ll want to sell the starter box for a bit first, like they did with Dark Imperium and the DG/C:SM.
What would you like to argue about instead?

I mean... we could always leave this thread for news haha.

HERESY!

**ingtaer**

Tiberius501 wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
Can we stop arguing about whether the codex is finished or not? Literally no one knows haha so this is a really pointless argument. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
We can predict though that it’ll be released a little bit after the starter box, as they’ll want to sell the starter box for a bit first, like they did with Dark Imperium and the DG/C:SM.
What would you like to argue about instead?

I mean... we could always leave this thread for news haha.

Delightful idea, lets do that.
Lets remember rule 1 as well everyone, 40k is serious business but that is no excuse to be rude to people.

**Kdash**

So, as it stands -

Pre-Orders for War of the Spider are this coming weekend. 2 weeks after the pre-orders for Engine War.

Based on that, we can expect Pariah to be up for pre-order on the 27th/28th, and then 9th to be 2 weeks after that, on the 11th/12th of July.

Whether or not the new release will have a 2 week pre-order or not remains to be seen.

**Gadzilla666**

Tiberius501 wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
Can we stop arguing about whether the codex is finished or not? Literally no one knows haha so this is a really pointless argument. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
We can predict though that it’ll be released a little bit after the starter box, as they’ll want to sell the starter box for a bit first, like they did with Dark Imperium and the DG/C:SM.
What would you like to argue about instead?

I mean... we could always leave this thread for news haha.

No worries, as soon as the new rules video is up we'll all have something else to type angrily about. So, a little over six hours now. Wonder what today's Knockdown Dakanaut Drag Out will be about.