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yukishiro1 wrote:
I don't buy numarines so I dunno what the situation is there.

The harlequin troupe kits I've been building recently are extremely flexible; the only thing that is fixed is the leg posing, which is pretty much always fixed for miniatures.

If they're making bad multipart numarines that can't be posed it seems like the solution to that is to make better ones, not to give up and move them all to pushfit.


You can easily shave the nubbin from the harlequin legs to make each individual leg poseable and make some very good poses like "both legs tucked up in a jump" and "both legs wide and prancing" that are distinct from the original. As well, the leg join to the rock is extremely easy to clip if you want a model posed upside-down.

The harlequin kit in terms of flexibility and posing is the single best kit GW has ever and possibly will ever design, because it is no longer a design goal of theirs to make every miniature appear unique. I have built the harlequin kit probably 6 times and have never made the same mini twice.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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I stopped worrying about duplicates about the 50th orc into my fantasy army, I very seldom add the 'bling', partly because I prefer a cleaner look but mostly because who cares if model #453 has a pouch in a slightly different place.

my only problem with monopose push fits is how few they make - make at least ten of the basic line infantry, perhaps with heads the way they did DI, perhaps a few arms the same so limited posing where its easy to do - then have a multi-part fame for the unit leader, special weapons guys etc.

bulk of the unit is easy to build and easy to build quickly, then you have the specialists able to be customised
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I dunno man. The posability of new minis, and whether they will have further options seems pretty on topic. I mean, the new Necron warriors seem to be fairly static, much like the existing ones, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that their heads aren't connected to the sprues at the cheekbones ( ), and that the connection between the torso/spine and the hips is FAR more robust than the current generation Warriors. Yet at the same time they, paradoxically, have more options.

 Hellebore wrote:
They have clearly decided that the sculpt comes first and whatever is required to transfer that sculpt into plastic is done to facilitate that. It's a very art-led approach which is good for technical outcomes and resumes, but as a consumer product it's less practical (at least GW have eased up on the swirling kibble on models).
The change in design philosophy comes from the Chapterhouse case and the fear of third party bits makers, not something more "art driven".



The poseability of kits is something that I would honestly be amazed is in any way connected to chapterhouse. If it requires, I don't know, a very specific nubbin or something to connect a Reaper Chaincannon to a CSMs shoulder, it takes a recaster/resculptor exactly 1 bit to look at to replicate that exact nubbin. That just seems silly to me.

To me it seems clear they decided that the greater variety of poses you can achieve with more fixed posing (Actual kneeling, some running some walking, reloading, grenade throwing, etc) was more important than bits being easily swappable out of the box without cutting.

And on many kits, that's not even the case. I just built the new admech horse guys, and the horses were fully monopose but the models riding them were fully swappable. Balljoint head, swappable arms, fixed legs and torsos but you can put any model on any horse (and the legs were entirely identical anyway, so it doesn't matter if they're fixed).

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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It's only the units on the mixed sprues that might not see individual release, but then they'll likely get sold in a smaller boxes elsewhere as intro products.

Yes, agreed. Looking at the number of places the the Dark Imperium sprues ended up – everything from starter boxes to magazines – it's a near-certainty that the Indomitus figures will appear elsewhere shortly. There's some interesting things to speculate upon there, though.

Most of the characters are in doubled-up sprues. The Necron 'lieutenant' and Space Marines lieutenant, for example, are in a pair:

Does that presage the two being released together (for example, in a smaller 'Know No Fear/First Strike'-style starter box as the leaders)? Is it a temporary manufacturing thing for efficiency? Will the two halves be split and reboxed into blisters, or will the tool be redesigned to begun pumping them out as individuals, rather than paired? I don't have any answers, but find the theory interesting.

The Assault Intercessors and Necron Warriors are both single self-contained sprues, so they're basically box-ready.


That makes them amongst the most versatile bits – and plum jobs for appearing almost anywhere. GW are very experimental, so I don't want to make any hard predictions, but they'll presumably be hotly followed up by the non easy-build kits. As a result, I can't see GW boxing these separately – though I wouldn't rule it out.

Compare that with the remaining space marines bits – characters, Bladeguard, Eradicators etc:

This is a large sprue – and such an odd mix, perhaps these'll just end up as exclusive to the box in the short to medium term at least. I would guess not, however. I'd imagine these are likely to turn up in a Know No Fear/First Strike starter box equivalent if they do get re-used.

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keep in mind that currently there are a few multi-frame kits that will be a single press of the tool that end up being folded or split for packaging anyway
   
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leopard wrote:
keep in mind that currently there are a few multi-frame kits that will be a single press of the tool that end up being folded or split for packaging anyway


Yes, do you think the bikes are a good example of that? I find the whole thing really interesting. Is it as simple as hands-on factory workers bending the sprue at the predesigned weak spot, and putting them in a box; or more automated?

It's the apparent lack of the thinner weak spot in the lieutenant/henchman frame that caught my eye. It'd be really interesting to have some insight into the particulars of the sprue manufacturing process... though slightly off-topic.

Back on topic, the Skorpekh Destroyers are also on a standard box-sized sprue, while the leaders are another combo-sprue, but in differing sizes. I'd anticipate the Necron Overlord appearing in a blister, and the Primaris Captain in a small box at some point.

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not sue how they actually pack the frames or how automated it is, the boxes I've opened have been a mix of actually split frames and just bent. then you have the same frames in larger boxes not folded.

I'm wondering if some of these characters have been done with a future magazine series in mind

also given GW does their own tooling in house if these are aluminium moulds its entirely possibly they would be recut later anyway - or the join filled in
   
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 Apologist wrote:
leopard wrote:
keep in mind that currently there are a few multi-frame kits that will be a single press of the tool that end up being folded or split for packaging anyway


Yes, do you think the bikes are a good example of that? I find the whole thing really interesting. Is it as simple as hands-on factory workers bending the sprue at the predesigned weak spot, and putting them in a box; or more automated?

It's the apparent lack of the thinner weak spot in the lieutenant/henchman frame that caught my eye. It'd be really interesting to have some insight into the particulars of the sprue manufacturing process... though slightly off-topic.

Back on topic, the Skorpekh Destroyers are also on a standard box-sized sprue, while the leaders are another combo-sprue, but in differing sizes. I'd anticipate the Necron Overlord appearing in a blister, and the Primaris Captain in a small box at some point.



Nearly every frame is split. You'll be able to see where they were chopped. Often, units are 1 or 3 sprues rather than an even number, and then you need to figure out how you're planning on making them cost effective.

The obvious solution for 1 sprue is to make 2 copies, split it, and package both. In this case, they're betting sales for the prim lieutenant and the cron lieutenant will be similar, and I'm guessing you're right in that they'll be packaged in a quickstart box together to make them cleave even closer to each other in terms of unit volume.

For 3 sprues you have a tricker problem that GW has solved in several different ways over the years.

1) Make the kit SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive for that bonus sprue. See knight preceptor, repulsor executioner, ravager, etc.

2) sell the sprue separately and force another purchase to get it. See Battlewagon.

3) Try and find some kit you know will be simnilar in terms of sales, and dupe up the sprues so that you must always make 1 3rd sprue for every 1 other kit sprue.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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I could see them releasing the necron warriors separately. They have head options, weapon options, 3 swarms of scarabs etc.

And there's precedent for it. Soulwars saw them release the easy build chainrasps separately, for an insane markup. $50 for 10 easy build models without any options, save for maybe the leader's weapon.
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
I could see them releasing the necron warriors separately. They have head options, weapon options, 3 swarms of scarabs etc.

And there's precedent for it. Soulwars saw them release the easy build chainrasps separately, for an insane markup. $50 for 10 easy build models without any options, save for maybe the leader's weapon.

They're $40 which is bad enough, not $50

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 GaroRobe wrote:
I could see them releasing the necron warriors separately. They have head options, weapon options, 3 swarms of scarabs etc.

And there's precedent for it. Soulwars saw them release the easy build chainrasps separately, for an insane markup. $50 for 10 easy build models without any options, save for maybe the leader's weapon.



I am fairly certain this is correct, and they are just going to release the warrior sprues as a regular kit later. They include all the options, and it's not like these are CSM with a ton of options.

Chainrasps are an awful deal at 40 for 10. They should be twenty...

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Only 14 more minutes for us to find out what we're complaining about today!

From Facebook:

Join us for today's #New40K show where we'll be taking a closer look at the models inside the forthcoming Indomitus boxed set.

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 Apologist wrote:

Most of the characters are in doubled-up sprues. The Necron 'lieutenant' and Space Marines lieutenant, for example, are in a pair:
Spoiler:

Does that presage the two being released together (for example, in a smaller 'Know No Fear/First Strike'-style starter box as the leaders)? Is it a temporary manufacturing thing for efficiency? Will the two halves be split and reboxed into blisters, or will the tool be redesigned to begun pumping them out as individuals, rather than paired? I don't have any answers, but find the theory interesting.


This sprue (i.e. the gap between the two parts) is rather unusual. Looks like there're two seperate (and propably exchangable) moulds inside the master die. IF that's the case, they COULD produce only one of them or swap the other with another fitting mould.

   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Only 14 more minutes for us to find out what we're complaining about today!

Yes, exciting isn't it? Any guesses on today's topic?
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Only 14 more minutes for us to find out what we're complaining about today!

From Facebook:

Join us for today's #New40K show where we'll be taking a closer look at the models inside the forthcoming Indomitus boxed set.


So a repeat of the livestream from Saturday then? Seems like there's a new GW tradition: Monday's 9th ed info will not be rules related.
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
From Facebook:

Join us for today's #New40K show where we'll be taking a closer look at the models inside the forthcoming Indomitus boxed set.

Really?
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
From Facebook:

Join us for today's #New40K show where we'll be taking a closer look at the models inside the forthcoming Indomitus boxed set.

Really?

Yes, really.

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Huh. Guess the complaint today is that they're late:
Spoiler:
   
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Today's guest is Max Faleij.

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Today's topic is how they painted them in a nut shell.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
Today's topic is how they painted them in a nut shell.

I'm almost positive they touched on this during the reveal.
   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Today's topic is how they painted them in a nut shell.

I'm almost positive they touched on this during the reveal.
They did. They are covering the same stuff all over again. Pointless stream is pointless.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Today's topic is how they painted them in a nut shell.

I'm almost positive they touched on this during the reveal.

They did mention a Runelord Brass spray and new washes.

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I'm super excited for a Runelord Brass spray, not gonna lie.
   
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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Today's topic is how they painted them in a nut shell.

I'm almost positive they touched on this during the reveal.
They did. They are covering the same stuff all over again. Pointless stream is pointless.


Yup. Might as well have just edited and replayed the stream from Saturday. I get the desire to prolong the teasing of info but the 40k Daily stuff seems to be getting gradually worse in both topic and content.
   
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Maybe the article will give some datasheets or extracts from datasheets. I doubt they'll just show another set of pics in the WHC article honestly.

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Ironically we're learning more about the rules in this video than all of the other #Nu40k videos combined.

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Dudeface wrote:
They mentioned "the new monolith" so we know it's not changed name at least.


Surely you mean the Lokhust Monolyth... Or the Skorpekh Monolyth.
   
 
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