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Offical OW rule

tneva82 wrote:

Aash wrote:
According to the feed there are other ways to Overwatch, not just the Strategem. some units will have it for a special rule and the day one FAQ/errata will amend existing rules and strategems that interact with overwatch so that they still work.

Yeah. Expect tau for example get hefty amount of ways.

Plus the oddball units like aggressors still has that 1cp with more cp to pay.

Not huge help overall though elite assault units like it

Yeah, they made passing references to tau and to Ultramarines regarding other ways to overwatch besides the new strat.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

I flat out posted it on tactics three weeks ago.

Aash wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Aash wrote:
According to the feed there are other ways to Overwatch, not just the Strategem. some units will have it for a special rule and the day one FAQ/errata will amend existing rules and strategems that interact with overwatch so that they still work.

Yeah. Expect tau for example get hefty amount of ways.

Plus the oddball units like aggressors still has that 1cp with more cp to pay.

Not huge help overall though elite assault units like it

Yeah, they made passing references to tau and to Ultramarines regarding other ways to overwatch besides the new strat.

Spitballing a little, but given the terrain rules they previewed today, it would be really cool for "anti-terrain" armies like the IF and IW if instead of having bonuses to "destroying" terrain, they negated the rule benefits a given terrain pieces' keyword gives an inhabiting unit.

Make those kinds of armies a little more useful if say, you can negate an OW bonus or melee bonus from "Defensible" terrain for a phase or something. A LOT more engaging and interesting than just being able to damage ruins like they did in 8th.

 Therion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

I flat out posted it on tactics three weeks ago.

I said Overwatch could be a strat back when they announced the Cut Them Down strat.

Glad to see I wasn't the only who thought it could happen.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fall Back will be a Stratagem as well, right?

Fall back through models is a stratagem. So one unit will not be held hostage/tri pointed/wrapped except with special rules that deny fall back or denying them sufficient movement to place the models. The special rule fly is vastly less important in 9th than in 8th.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Therion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

I flat out posted it on tactics three weeks ago.

I said Overwatch could be a strat back when they announced the Cut Them Down strat.

Glad to see I wasn't the only who thought it could happen.

I didn’t think that I knew that. There’s a difference to guessing and actually knowing.

Yeah you keep saying stuff like that, but we've yet to see any evidence of it.

 Therion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fall Back will be a Stratagem as well, right?

Fall back through models is a stratagem. So one unit will not be held hostage/tri pointed/wrapped except with special rules that deny fall back or denying them sufficient movement to place the models.

Is that confirmed or a theory?

nevermind

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Offical OW rule

Was that even written in English?

tneva82 wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Cool tactical decisions to make when holding terrain, defending units *can* get bonuses against charging enemies it seems if they're in the right terrain and made the right tactical decision. I like it!

Some reason to take fortifications that generally sucked and quite possibly costs cp to get det so were about to take a nerfbat

note that Ruins had the defensible trait.

They had soft cover, hard cover, defensible.

 bullyboy wrote:
errr, Look Out Sir rule? Character targeting changed too

I noticed that too, I'm very interested to see what that entails.

Would be annoying if they reduced rolling through changes to OW only to add to rolling by making Characters targetable but with universal LOS saves.

 jabbakahut wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Offical OW rule

Was that even written in English?

Worse, it's written in legalese..

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 jabbakahut wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Offical OW rule

Was that even written in English?

Worse, it's written in legalese..

And without periods.

Here's hoping that's not from the final print

Also, I'll take excessive legalese over vague generalizations any day.

Yeah is that fall back stratagem theory or confirmed? First i heard. Kick to assault armies if true as 3 point is about only thing that has sustained assault.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 jabbakahut wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Offical OW rule

Was that even written in English?

Worse, it's written in legalese..

For whatever reason, it's lacking full stops.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
errr, Look Out Sir rule? Character targeting changed too

I noticed that too, I'm very interested to see what that entails.

Would be annoying if they reduced rolling through changes to OW only to add to rolling by making Characters targetable but with universal LOS saves.

No it was always the case that you could overwatch a charging Character

 Tyran wrote:
As long as tri-pointing is still a thing, falling back is a Fly only thing.

Which is, unfortunately, a gamey solution to the problem. If Fall Back was more restricted, players wouldn't have to resort to tri-pointing.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
errr, Look Out Sir rule? Character targeting changed too

I noticed that too, I'm very interested to see what that entails.

Would be annoying if they reduced rolling through changes to OW only to add to rolling by making Characters targetable but with universal LOS saves.

No it was always the case that you could overwatch a charging Character

I just meant if they reinvented Character interactions so they were targetable in the general shooting phase, but could benefit from a LOS save if any friendly unit is within x inches.

Completely spitballing based off nothing, carry on!

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
errr, Look Out Sir rule? Character targeting changed too

I noticed that too, I'm very interested to see what that entails.

Would be annoying if they reduced rolling through changes to OW only to add to rolling by making Characters targetable but with universal LOS saves.

No it was always the case that you could overwatch a charging Character

I think the point is the "look out sir" didn't prevent you shooting at something that wasn't the closest target before and the implication is that now it does. Unless I'm mistaken.

For look out somebody here(therion?) Mentioned before in 9th not only some unit needs to be closer to enemy than character but would need to be within x" of character. Would prevent rhino in opposite direction preventing shooting at character

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah is that fall back stratagem theory or confirmed? First i heard. Kick to assault armies if true as 3 point is about only thing that has sustained assault.

With rumors like these and anonimity you’ll get ’confirmation’ when the rules are teased or released by GW. Until then you can choose to speculate or ignore it. Check back later.

 Therion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

I flat out posted it on tactics three weeks ago.

Looks like you said your source told you it was gone entirely.... https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/788961.page#10820032

Then you said "Maybe" it's a strat https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/788961.page#10820054

Doesn't sound like you "Knew" at all.

ClockworkZion wrote:Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

Yes, this is an excellent change. A big thumbs up to gw on this one.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Fall Back will be a Stratagem as well, right?

We can only hope.

Yeah I was guessing

 jabbakahut wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Offical OW rule

Was that even written in English?

yes, but for some reason it lacks punctuation. With the Random capitalizations Dotting the page, the combination is really hard to parse.

From the Community article:

Be careful, though – a savvy enemy might be able to catch you off-guard if you’re in their deployment zone. The Strategic Reserves rule allows a unit to deploy on their own table edge, even if it’s within Engagement Range (1”) of an enemy, and proceed to make attacks as though they charged! This is such a situational rarity that it probably won’t come up very often, but a stunt like that completely bypasses Overwatch to surprise unwary or careless opponents.

Interesting tidbit I thought.

Who knows, maybe they'll give you an Artificer Marking Pen for inserting your own custom punctuation with for the low price of only $20USD!

Is this new art? I don't recognize it offhand.

The "Look Out, Sir!" mention has me worried.

I don't want to go into a world of Rhino-sniping characters.

Nice that units can just walk onto the table in your own DZ.