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Looks like Tau focus is today, not gone live yet

Well, that might as well tell us Tau won't get any kind of specialized melee in this edition. Overwatch IS the Tau 'melee'

 Latro_ wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Any news from the twitch stream for today? missed it

Just that when they said "some units will be able to Overwatch" they apparently meant "every unit in the Tau army with The Greater Good rule".

how much you wanna be Tau players will argue they can use the overwatch start AND normal orverwatch XD

The new overwatch rule has a restriction stating that a unit can only ever fire overwatch once per turn I believe.

Which makes a lot more sense now.

Also, there is a rumor floating about from someone who got the "Character protection will now only be active if you're within a certain distance of a friendly unit" before that was announced, that says that FLY will now only allow you to move thru terrain and models, and will not allow you to fall back and shoot by default.

I feel like if you asked me to choose between "Tau units with FLY cannot fall back and shoot normally" and "Tau units can only initially trigger Overwatch with a 1cp Stratagem and can then chain FTGG off that" I would choose the former every single time.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Well, that might as well tell us Tau won't get any kind of specialized melee in this unit. Overwatch IS the Tau 'melee'

I'm sincerely hoping that the next Tau codex opens up some more Auxilia support for the army. I'd buy Tau in a heartbeat if I could play a mix of different minor Xenos races on the table.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Any news from the twitch stream for today? missed it

Just that when they said "some units will be able to Overwatch" they apparently meant "every unit in the Tau army with The Greater Good rule".

It's to be expected though isn't it? Tau have good overwatch, it's what they do. When facing them you should expect to have to deal with it. The same strategies will still work, with possible new ones afforded by the new rules. I don't see anything stopping my warp talons from shredding them just as easily as they do now. Night Lords eat tau for breakfast, then turn what's left over into fashion accessories.

Tau overwatch just like in 8th. Oh well.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Any news from the twitch stream for today? missed it

Just that when they said "some units will be able to Overwatch" they apparently meant "every unit in the Tau army with The Greater Good rule".

how much you wanna be Tau players will argue they can use the overwatch start AND normal orverwatch XD

The new overwatch rule has a restriction stating that a unit can only ever fire overwatch once per turn I believe.

Which makes a lot more sense now.

Also, there is a rumor floating about from someone who got the "Character protection will now only be active if you're within a certain distance of a friendly unit" before that was announced, that says that FLY will now only allow you to move thru terrain and models, and will not allow you to fall back and shoot by default.

I feel like if you asked me to choose between "Tau units with FLY cannot fall back and shoot normally" and "Tau units can only initially trigger Overwatch with a 1cp Stratagem and can then chain FTGG off that" I would choose the former every single time.

Overwatch -doesn't- have a restrictions on how many times you can shoot it. The only restriction is via Stratagem limits.

Voss wrote:
First ever technical paint for glowy effects. Wasn't that what the ghost paints were supposed to do? That odd blue and the green?

They're more Contrast-eque for doing entire models, this will probably be a thin glaze for creating glows.

If it works and speeds up doing half decent glaze effects then I imagine it'll be fairly popular.

I wonder if this means that IH get to keep their overwatch as well...

 Jidmah wrote:
I wonder if this means that IH get to keep their overwatch as well...

Doubtful. Iron hands bonus is to hit on a 5+ on Overwatch, it has no reason to allow the entire army to fire it as well.

How are you getting information on the Tau? I don't see the article.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So a general rule that applies to everyone doesn't apply to Tau.

Wow... ?

How dare an army designed around shooting, overwatch, and a lack of close combat ability be able to shoot, overwatch, and be bad at close combat! These outrages never stop

 alextroy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So a general rule that applies to everyone doesn't apply to Tau.

Wow... ?

How dare an army designed around shooting, overwatch, and a lack of close combat ability be able to shoot, overwatch, and be bad at close combat! These outrages never stop

You mine sixteen tons and what do you get? Another day older and saltier as heck.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
How are you getting information on the Tau? I don't see the article.

It's from the Warhammer 40,000 Daily show on Twitch.

 alextroy wrote:
How dare an army designed around shooting, overwatch, and a lack of close combat ability be able to shoot, overwatch, and be bad at close combat! These outrages never stop

Not really the point I was making, but whatever...

So, back to Necrons for a sec...

..Apparently this big, shiny, central character for the Necrons is returning to the galaxy as the biggest baddest centrepieceiest miniature the Necrons have, and he's coming with a brand-new subfaction/subculture of necrons.

And the existing necrons are either joining up under his banner, or they're distrustful of the newly arrived necrons.

....Why does GW seem to have such a huge fetish for this kind of storyline recently? We've seen "Big dude come back, Reunifying Faction X, uh oh existing character Y maybe not trust...."

Seriously, they did this with Magnus, then Yvraine/Ynnead, then Guilliman/primaris, they're doing it with the Silent King, and they seem to be getting set up to do it with Vect.

Why? What reason do they have to pursue this story structure again and again? Couldn't it only possibly discourage people from buying the new miniature that GW presumably wants to sell? It certainly did that with the Ynnari, they seem to have been adopted about as popular with the eldar community and the 40k community as a whole as a wet fart in a crowded room. And we won't even get into the "Primaris Controversy".

the_scotsman wrote:
So, back to Necrons for a sec...

..Apparently this big, shiny, central character for the Necrons is returning to the galaxy as the biggest baddest centrepieceiest miniature the Necrons have, and he's coming with a brand-new subfaction/subculture of necrons.

And the existing necrons are either joining up under his banner, or they're distrustful of the newly arrived necrons.

....Why does GW seem to have such a huge fetish for this kind of storyline recently? We've seen "Big dude come back, Reunifying Faction X, uh oh existing character Y maybe not trust...."

Seriously, they did this with Magnus, then Yvraine/Ynnead, then Guilliman/primaris, they're doing it with the Silent King, and they seem to be getting set up to do it with Vect.

Why? What reason do they have to pursue this story structure again and again? Couldn't it only possibly discourage people from buying the new miniature that GW presumably wants to sell? It certainly did that with the Ynnari, they seem to have been adopted about as popular with the eldar community and the 40k community as a whole as a wet fart in a crowded room. And we won't even get into the "Primaris Controversy".

It gives a narrative reason for the faction to fight itself obviously.

There's even a little micro-trend of it as well. half the new special charcters' shticks seem to be "their faction doesn't like this guy AT ALL, he's a renegade!"

-Stern and Kyganil
-Sczeras
-Fabius Bile
-Inquisitor Dragonlady



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 ClockworkZion wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
So, back to Necrons for a sec...

..Apparently this big, shiny, central character for the Necrons is returning to the galaxy as the biggest baddest centrepieceiest miniature the Necrons have, and he's coming with a brand-new subfaction/subculture of necrons.

And the existing necrons are either joining up under his banner, or they're distrustful of the newly arrived necrons.

....Why does GW seem to have such a huge fetish for this kind of storyline recently? We've seen "Big dude come back, Reunifying Faction X, uh oh existing character Y maybe not trust...."

Seriously, they did this with Magnus, then Yvraine/Ynnead, then Guilliman/primaris, they're doing it with the Silent King, and they seem to be getting set up to do it with Vect.

Why? What reason do they have to pursue this story structure again and again? Couldn't it only possibly discourage people from buying the new miniature that GW presumably wants to sell? It certainly did that with the Ynnari, they seem to have been adopted about as popular with the eldar community and the 40k community as a whole as a wet fart in a crowded room. And we won't even get into the "Primaris Controversy".

It gives a narrative reason for the faction to fight itself obviously.

but they were already doing that. They've been doing that the whole time. Necron dynaties dun like each other, that's already a thing.

The Tau rule:

I mean, that's gotta be a new record for "let's introduce a rule that ignores a basic design principle of the edition because reasons."

the_scotsman wrote:
So, back to Necrons for a sec...

..Apparently this big, shiny, central character for the Necrons is returning to the galaxy as the biggest baddest centrepieceiest miniature the Necrons have, and he's coming with a brand-new subfaction/subculture of necrons.

And the existing necrons are either joining up under his banner, or they're distrustful of the newly arrived necrons.

....Why does GW seem to have such a huge fetish for this kind of storyline recently? We've seen "Big dude come back, Reunifying Faction X, uh oh existing character Y maybe not trust...."

Seriously, they did this with Magnus, then Yvraine/Ynnead, then Guilliman/primaris, they're doing it with the Silent King, and they seem to be getting set up to do it with Vect.

Why? What reason do they have to pursue this story structure again and again? Couldn't it only possibly discourage people from buying the new miniature that GW presumably wants to sell? It certainly did that with the Ynnari, they seem to have been adopted about as popular with the eldar community and the 40k community as a whole as a wet fart in a crowded room. And we won't even get into the "Primaris Controversy".

Probably because it is an easy narrative device to bring out a character as new faction leader but allows space for "your dudes" if you dont like the new leader character, you have space to use whatever fluff you want. The other options are "silent king comes back and no one joins him" which would be odd and wouldnt warrent adding the character as faction head or "he comes back and everyone joins him" which means no space for your dudes if they dont. 40ks narrative exists to allow your fluff to fit in somewhere vs a cohesive narrative.

the_scotsman wrote:
There's even a little micro-trend of it as well. half the new special charcters' shticks seem to be "their faction doesn't like this guy AT ALL, he's a renegade!"

-Stern and Kyganil
-Sczeras
-Fabius Bile
-Inquisitor Dragonlady

Inquisitor doesn't count. They hate everyone.

previously, central special characters' shticks have generally been

"they're their faction's head dude! Eveyrone will work with them because they're the big unifying honcho/they show up wherever their faction needs them to!"

Examples: Ghazghkull, Celestine, Vect, Eldrad, Yarrick, Abbadon, Swarmlord, Nightbringer/Deceiver, etc

the_scotsman wrote:
There's even a little micro-trend of it as well. half the new special charcters' shticks seem to be "their faction doesn't like this guy AT ALL, he's a renegade!"

-Stern and Kyganil
-Sczeras
-Fabius Bile
-Inquisitor Dragonlady

Daemonfuge originally came out in 2000, so it's not really a "new" shtick.

the_scotsman wrote:

Spoiler:

 Latro_ wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Any news from the twitch stream for today? missed it

Just that when they said "some units will be able to Overwatch" they apparently meant "every unit in the Tau army with The Greater Good rule".

how much you wanna be Tau players will argue they can use the overwatch start AND normal orverwatch XD

The new overwatch rule has a restriction stating that a unit can only ever fire overwatch once per turn I believe.

Which makes a lot more sense now.

Also, there is a rumor floating about from someone who got the "Character protection will now only be active if you're within a certain distance of a friendly unit" before that was announced, that says that FLY will now only allow you to move thru terrain and models, and will not allow you to fall back and shoot by default.

I feel like if you asked me to choose between "Tau units with FLY cannot fall back and shoot normally" and "Tau units can only initially trigger Overwatch with a 1cp Stratagem and can then chain FTGG off that" I would choose the former every single time.

That would be a welcome change, not just for tau, but especially for nerfing all those floating loyalist tanks.

One thing this proves is that the day one errata will be changing a lot more than points. It will be changing things like faction abilities. It looks like the errata will be more like an index for 9th.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
I mean, that's gotta be a new record for "let's introduce a rule that ignores a basic design principle of the edition because reasons."

Does ATSKNF in previous editions count? Ignoring like 90% of what morale does with most peoples' armies?

the_scotsman wrote:
previously, central special characters' shticks have generally been

"they're their faction's head dude! Eveyrone will work with them because they're the big unifying honcho/they show up wherever their faction needs them to!"

Examples: Ghazghkull, Celestine, Vect, Eldrad, Yarrick, Abbadon, Swarmlord, Nightbringer/Deceiver, etc

Creed was hated by all the Cadian High Command, who thought he was some lowly gutterboy.

Also, Yarrick is the biggest marv stu there is. He's somehow a Commissar that is as inspirational as Macaroth and ALSO a tactical genius and ALSO totally killed an Ork while being an old geezer. The sooner he's ditched, the better off Guard will be.

Yarrick embodies the idea that you should fear anyone who made it to old age in a career that kills you when you're young.

And he killed the Ork at the cost of his arm and then basically went into shock and passed out on his feet. I mean it's not like he Marneus Calgar'd an Avatar or the Swarmlord.

And now he's an old geezer running around with a power klaw chasing after a wacky Ork Warboss and his Waagh!...he's not really "embodying" anything other than an old guy trying to keep others from having fun.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And now he's an old geezer running around with a power klaw chasing after a wacky Ork Warboss and his Waagh!...he's not really "embodying" anything other than an old guy trying to keep others from having fun.

He's been Ghaz's tactical whetstone at least. I mean he can't fight Ghaz physically, but tactically he's pushed Ghaz and contributed to making the Beast of Armageddon even more dangerous for everyone else.