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I am really liking the look of those SnB marines. Mortal wounds were a huge weakness of SM HQs in 8th so it nice to see that rule on the captain. I think the new stormshield rules are a nice improvement.

Yeah, marines had a weakness, so it got shored up.

Now that it's been introduced as a rules mechanic, Orks should get ignore MW on a 6+.

Full rule book is out:
https://imgur.com/a/J4Bygoq

Is quite funny the guy leaking it all on 4chan said he was going home no where near a gw and found the new box in a bin lol

Surprised this hasnt been shared yet

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCHFC8pn7FF/?igshid=iop648i31025

 Malika2 wrote:
Surprised this hasnt been shared yet

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCHFC8pn7FF/?igshid=iop648i31025

It was. Like two pages ago.


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Okay, so melee has a nice deal: everyone in 1/2" of an enemy or 1/2" of a friendly model in engagement range can attack. That helps hordes and makes the coherency rules easier to work with.

nokranok wrote:
Full rule book is out:
https://imgur.com/a/J4Bygoq

Dang. That was lots of "save image as" but got em all just in case that post gets taken down.

Lots of reading to do tonight.

nokranok wrote:
Full rule book is out:
https://imgur.com/a/J4Bygoq

Some interesting stuff thanks

The Fortification Network especially - Sisters Statue gives 1Cp

jivardi wrote:
Dang. That was lots of "save image as" but got em all just in case that post gets taken down.

Lots of reading to do tonight.

If you scroll to the bottom and hit the three dots there is an option to download the whole thing as a zip.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

jivardi wrote:
Dang. That was lots of "save image as" but got em all just in case that post gets taken down.

Lots of reading to do tonight.

If you scroll to the bottom and hit the three dots there is an option to download the whole thing as a zip.

This.

Looks like Reinforcements have all game to come in, not just to T3.

jivardi wrote:
Dang. That was lots of "save image as" but got em all just in case that post gets taken down.

Lots of reading to do tonight.

Not that I would advocate that sort of thing, but Imgur does have a "download all images in this post as a zip file" button at the bottom of the post, hidden behind the three dot menu.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Surprised this hasnt been shared yet

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCHFC8pn7FF/?igshid=iop648i31025

It was. Like two pages ago.


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Okay, so melee has a nice deal: everyone in 1/2" of an enemy or 1/2" of a friendly model in engagement range can attack. That helps hordes and makes the coherency rules easier to work with.

Is this not what we have now but halved?

 Eldarain wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Surprised this hasnt been shared yet

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCHFC8pn7FF/?igshid=iop648i31025

It was. Like two pages ago.


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Okay, so melee has a nice deal: everyone in 1/2" of an enemy or 1/2" of a friendly model in engagement range can attack. That helps hordes and makes the coherency rules easier to work with.

Is this not what we have now but halved?

I thought it was just a 1" of the enemy can swing. Allowing 1/2" of models who are engaged to swing allows Orks on 32mm bases to get more attacks in.

Wow, melee got utterly screwed with engagement range - now you can only fight if you're within 1" or within 1/2" of another model in your unit that is itself within 1/2" of the enemy.

What on earth prompted that? Seems like just another logic-free nerf to larger units.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Wow, melee got utterly screwed with engagement range - now you can only fight if you're within 1" or within 1/2" of another model in your unit that is itself within 1/2" of the enemy.

And you have to remain in coherency after Pile-In.

Edit: After re-reading that, isn't that redundant? A model within 1/2" of a model that is within 1/2" of a unit is within 1" no? So, it's just anyone in Engagement range?

nokranok wrote:
Full rule book is out:
https://imgur.com/a/J4Bygoq

sequence is:

Hit Roll
Wound Roll
Allocate Wounds
Saves
Inflict Damage

it is important for Coherency Checks that the wounds are allocated before you know how many models you need to remove

I can already see most of the people ignoring these and moving the Allocate Wounds part to the end to speed up the game and removing models to their favour to avoid additional losses

Some of these changes feel so pro marines it has to be intentional but did it have to be so blatant.

Right now a lot of stuff is going to nerd points drops not rising to be competitive in 9th

Looks like in melee it is now alternating activation and you star with the player whos turn is NOT taking place, that is a very interesting change.

 kodos wrote:

nokranok wrote:
Full rule book is out:
https://imgur.com/a/J4Bygoq

sequence is:

Hit Roll
Wound Roll
Allocate Wounds
Saves
Inflict Damage

it is important for Coherency Checks that the wounds are allocated before you know how many models you need to remove

I can already see most of the people ignoring these and moving the Allocate Wounds part to the end to speed up the game and removing models to their favour to avoid additional losses

Whilest understandable to make the coherency rules needed and work that screws with melee so Hard it ain't even funny.....

 ClockworkZion wrote:

jivardi wrote:
Dang. That was lots of "save image as" but got em all just in case that post gets taken down.

Lots of reading to do tonight.

If you scroll to the bottom and hit the three dots there is an option to download the whole thing as a zip.

lol, never used imgr before.

Attack allocation order change is significant.

Not only are "to hit" rolls capped at +1/-1 but so are "to wound" rolls.

 Mr Morden wrote:

nokranok wrote:
Full rule book is out:
https://imgur.com/a/J4Bygoq

Some interesting stuff thanks

The Fortification Network especially - Sisters Statue gives 1Cp

Could you make out cp cost?

Did i miss it or did chargers start go away so enemy gets first dip in melee? Poor repentia

Huh. It never says the Reanimators ray can only be benefited by once, for a unit, as it says for the crypteks we have seen.

Could reanimate stuff no 2+.

I can certainly see stiff breezes coming their way.

On the plus side, a charging unit can target anything that heroically intervened that turn, in addition to targets they declared a charge against. So you can't exploit the multi-charge rules by keeping a character slightly back so they can't charge it, then heroically intervening in and being able to fight the unit without the unit being able to fight back.

But the engagement range change is just such a massive nerf to melee, for no reason that I can see. Did anyone seriously think too many models were able to fight in combat in 8th edition?

They fixed Assault Weapons!

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They fixed Assault Weapons!

Only certain people thought they were broken in the first place.

TheAvengingKnee wrote:
Looks like in melee it is now alternating activation and you star with the player whos turn is NOT taking place, that is a very interesting change.

After chargers