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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And aren't something you can purchase, so...

*shrug*

The best thing for the objectives is some sweet, sweet conversions anyway.

Its almost like there are real objects in the Indomitus box (including a book) and you don't get any of that paying a monthly fee.

So its no surprise that people feel like they're getting something out of one, but not the other.

And frankly $3 a model for about 60 models and ~$20 for a book that's probably worth about 40 (and they'll price it at...$60, $65?) that's actually a good value.

Take your subscription and pay it for the lifetime of the edition (I currently estimate it at 3.5 years or so, based on the last two) and you'll pay more than $200 and still have nothing.

That picture couldn't be more wrong if it tried...

Right? It’s not like most of us have a grey plastic wall of shame that has sat there for years doing nothing but take up space,

That is totally more valuable than an app we might use every day currently.

And no, I don’t consider illegal sources as viable alternatives. I am an adult and can make informed decisions about what I want to spend my money on instead of feeling entitled to other people’s work because I want it,

Other people want to steal intellectual property because they feel entitled to it? Fine, but at least own it instead of trying to act high and mighty. I have done it multiple times in the past, never made excuses for it other than wanting things I couldn’t afford.

 Leth wrote:
And no, I don’t consider illegal sources as viable alternatives. I am an adult and can make informed decisions about what I want to spend my money on instead of feeling entitled to other people’s work because I want it,

Other people want to steal intellectual property because they feel entitled to it? Fine, but at least own it instead of trying to act high and mighty. I have done it multiple times in the past, never made excuses for it other than wanting things I couldn’t afford.

Umm... ok. Wasn't really talking about that...

 puma713 wrote:

Good for a chuckle even if it isn't quite right.

 Leth wrote:
Right? It’s not like most of us have a grey plastic wall of shame that has sat there for years doing nothing but take up space,

That is totally more valuable than an app we might use every day currently.

And no, I don’t consider illegal sources as viable alternatives. I am an adult and can make informed decisions about what I want to spend my money on instead of feeling entitled to other people’s work because I want it,

Other people want to steal intellectual property because they feel entitled to it? Fine, but at least own it instead of trying to act high and mighty. I have done it multiple times in the past, never made excuses for it other than wanting things I couldn’t afford.

Who are you ranting at?

 Daedalus81 wrote:




Good for a chuckle even if it isn't quite right.

That's really all it was for. Wasn't trying to cause a ruckus.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Right? It’s not like most of us have a grey plastic wall of shame that has sat there for years doing nothing but take up space,

That is totally more valuable than an app we might use every day currently.

And no, I don’t consider illegal sources as viable alternatives. I am an adult and can make informed decisions about what I want to spend my money on instead of feeling entitled to other people’s work because I want it,

Other people want to steal intellectual property because they feel entitled to it? Fine, but at least own it instead of trying to act high and mighty. I have done it multiple times in the past, never made excuses for it other than wanting things I couldn’t afford.

Who are you ranting at?

Last I checked I didn’t have to be ranting against anyone in particular? Might have missed a forum rule.

Sometimes it’s fun to get ahead of the BS that you know is coming,

You don't have to do anything. It does make you look silly when you argue against arguments no one here has made, though.

Well, that happened.

No way.

Not all for me. I'm only getting one. Two are for one friend, and three are for another. My store sold out in 5m flat. I completed my order 1m16s after they went up for pre-order.

Cool, so I am allowed to vent about annoying people just like 1/2 this thread is venting about rules that don’t exist or don’t operate as they complain about.

Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not all for me. I'm only getting one. Two are for one friend, and three are for another. My store sold out in 5m flat. I completed my order 1m16s after they went up for pre-order.

As I said earlier, my store was SOLD OUT of pre-orders before Pre-Orders began. They had pre-ordered the pre-order and now they have zero allocated for tomorrow.

My store didn't put them up for sale until the exact minute they said they would.

Their facebook page is filled with a litany of "It was in my cart but sold out when I got to the checkout!" style posts.

GW Oz sold out

Took less than an hour.

Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

To be fair, this isn't the starter. Some form of the contents of this box will come later IMO.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.

Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.

It's all marketing baby.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be fair, this isn't the starter. Some form of the contents of this box will come later IMO.

No doubt. Thats what I understand to be the case. It's just the silence about what form that will take, and when it might happen that irks me right now. At least put something on the community page saying "fear not, once this sells you can buy XX instead".

Anyway, congrats to those lucky few who got one, and I'll go back to lurking in the cave waiting for round 2.

stratigo wrote:

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.

Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.

It's all marketing baby.

Exactly, I'm wondering when GW will announce how, out of the graciousness of their heart, they'll make more of the box set.

Probably Monday, no later than end of the week.

 Leth wrote:
Cool, so I am allowed to vent about annoying people just like 1/2 this thread is venting about rules that don’t exist or don’t operate as they complain about.

Hey man if you want to yell at clouds be my guest. I was just asking for clarification.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

I feel like Covid must have had something to do with it. It's the only logical conclusion I can draw, because lord knows they had to have been aware of the hype for a new edition+starter set.

stratigo wrote:

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.

Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.

It's all marketing baby.

You know who talked it up and stoked the FOMO? The god damn community.

This isn't a true starter, and there may still be some allocation issues as they sort out the stores that need to be dropped to the 45 boxes cap (if they don't lower that cap further).

I believe GW when they said they made more of this box than they did any past box set, the problem is that they may have undershot the demand by more than half with their run. Especially when they tease it for over two months.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.

Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.

It's all marketing baby.

You know who talked it up and stoked the FOMO? The god damn community.

You.. do know that Warhammer Community is run by GW, right? The folks that have been running daily articles about how awesome and best ever this boxed set will be? GW pushed this thing hard. They even played numbers games this very week with purchase limits. 'Oh, it'll be six, so everyone can get one. Our bad, we're making it three instead- there's just so much demand based on our in depth data of... a day. Better order up!'

That isn't 'the community.' I'm not even sure what 'community' you think you're referring to. There are a couple individuals here who certainly pushed for people to buy it, but that hardly constitutes a community.

stratigo wrote:

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.

Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.

It's all marketing baby.

I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.


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 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.


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 Leth wrote:
Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.

Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.

I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.

How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?

This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.

Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.

It's all marketing baby.

You know who talked it up and stoked the FOMO? The god damn community.

Yes, GW's gotten real good at managing the community. Like, none of this is strange. This is just companies taking advantage of basic marketing and psychology. The average consumer doesn't really have a chance to make informed decisions any more.