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Galas wrote: My problem with the Necron fortification it that it is boring. 40K team should learn from AoS theam how to make impactfull and usefull scenography. And here it has points so they can actually balance it.
"here's a big central pillar that feths your army with no counter play"
I really dislike a lot of AoS scenery for being just board covering nerfs for the enemy. Super annoying.
Besides the Bonetithe Nexus, I'd say that most faction terrain really isn't that bad. Bonetithe is probably the most powerful faction terrain in the game though.
Well obr is overall top level so not much. Flesh eaters meanwhi'e get short ranged ld buff/debuff i have yet to use and free summon for foot abhorrants so generally 1-2 cp saved. Nice but not earthshattering.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Not all for me. I'm only getting one. Two are for one friend, and three are for another. My store sold out in 5m flat. I completed my order 1m16s after they went up for pre-order.
As I said earlier, my store was SOLD OUT of pre-orders before Pre-Orders began. They had pre-ordered the pre-order and now they have zero allocated for tomorrow.
Well allocating stock before preorder date is breach of trade terms. Maybe gw punished your store for violating terms.
Galas wrote: My problem with the Necron fortification it that it is boring. 40K team should learn from AoS theam how to make impactfull and usefull scenography. And here it has points so they can actually balance it.
"here's a big central pillar that feths your army with no counter play"
I really dislike a lot of AoS scenery for being just board covering nerfs for the enemy. Super annoying.
Besides the Bonetithe Nexus, I'd say that most faction terrain really isn't that bad. Bonetithe is probably the most powerful faction terrain in the game though.
Well obr is overall top level so not much. Flesh eaters meanwhi'e get short ranged ld buff/debuff i have yet to use and free summon for foot abhorrants so generally 1-2 cp saved. Nice but not earthshattering.
And then there’s Wyldwoods where so many of the army’s rules are tied to them.
Yeah, I'll never understand how people can put the blame on the "community" like with loot boxes. "If you don't want those, don't buy it, is our falt they are popular!"
Like. Companies spend millions of dollars into marketing research to NOT allow people to have an informed and rational decision but an impulsive one about their products, like that logaritm Ubisoft patented to put free to play players vs P2W players in such a way to not make it intrusive but to incentivice the free players to buy the premium products on their F2P game.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
You say that like they needed to learn it from someone. This exact thing happened way back in 6th Ed with Dark Vengeance.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
I strongly suspect that this isn't the case. I've no special insight, obviously, but since the economic shutdown started I've been regulalry checking my retailers (half dozen of them) for specific stuff I want, but it's all been perpetually out of stock. Like, all of it, even little things like a Necromunda gang or a squad of Primaris, let alone the bigger things I was after. This continued long after the production started back up (couple of months ago now?). Only now is it gradually becoming available again. I kind of got the idea that GW have been plowing almost all of their efforts into this new 9th box, which is to say that I think that production of their other items has suffered in the mean time due to Covid, but that the resources they would have dedicated to this launch probably haven't.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
Yeah, it was planned. There's no reason to find excuses outside of GW. The only thing in the box that they can't readily make more of themselves is the rule book, and loathe as they are to restock many paper based items, that approach simply cannot apply to the core rule book of the current edition. If they wanted people to get more of the box, they'd just make more and tell people that even though there may be a wait involved, everyone can eventually get it. Instead we get "when it's gone, it's gone" marketing. That's pretty indicative of GW's release plan.
They're open about the box not being a starter set in the sense we had for every edition since 2nd ed. It's another variation of the battle boxes we know and love for their limited availability and FOMO marketing. GW certainly didn't need any pandemic to artificially limit those. And they just as certainly don't need one for this box, even if it happened to come along regardless.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
The blithe acceptance that "Well this is just the way things are" are why things will continue to get worse in our flaccid cyberpunk dystopia.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how in advance more or less the exact quantity it has to produce (something that reduce cost). But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
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Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Really? I couldn't tell you a company with more than 10 employees that hasn't done some "Available while stocks last" or "Available in limited quantities" or "Available for limited time only" at some point.
Even food joints and grocery markets and whatever. Hell, even purely digital stuff that is genuinely unlimited from a technical side use it, e.g. the first 1000 people to download this DLC or pre-order that steam game get "exclusive, limited, never-will-we-see-it-again-random-character-skin", etc.., etc.., etc..
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
The blithe acceptance that "Well this is just the way things are" are why things will continue to get worse in our flaccid cyberpunk dystopia.
Brother, the revolution will never start with “Join me in uprising! Our plastic men are too damned manipulatively expensive!”
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
You don't get to purchase the X nintendo software when it's out after pre-order ?
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Really? I couldn't tell you a company with more than 10 employees that hasn't done some "Available while stocks last" or "Available in limited quantities" or "Available for limited time only" at some point.
Even food joints and grocery markets and whatever. Hell, even purely digital stuff that is genuinely unlimited from a technical side use it, e.g. the first 1000 people to download this DLC or pre-order that steam game get "exclusive, limited, never-will-we-see-it-again-random-character-skin", etc.., etc.., etc..
Small firms are limited in production capacity, hence why they do that : they need to know the exact number of goods they produce, and they need to sell all the goods they produce or they loose too many. GW is no small firm, the logic is totally different.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
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I believe the 15 lead window for the pre-order is to leave time for GW to produce the second wave of indomitus for an August release. I have no evidence neither do I have doubt.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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Galas wrote: I believe the 15 lead window for the pre-order is to leave time for GW to produce the second wave of indomitus for an August release. I have no evidence neither do I have doubt.
Seeing they have been consistent in pointing out this is limited time set available only while stocks last optimistic.
Gw doesn"t want to sell discount boxes too much or they hurt sales of full price kits.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where stock is allocated based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up, it's more a pre-sale than an actual pre-order. It's a comparable situation.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
Yes so you agree with my original point : it is not a typical "pre-order" period, it is a marketing trick to create artificial shortage.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where GW allocates stock based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up. It's a comparable situation.
So you agree with me, it's no typical pre-order but a marketing trick.
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So 10gmt hit and...gw site down for maintanance doesn't bother me as i'll get if i get from flgs and even missing won't bother me but damn this is going to be circus
Oof that was rough, went through like 5 website is down screens but I managed to get my order through and the received the email confirmation. Hopefully you guys can get yours as well.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence. Yes so you agree with my original point : it is not a typical "pre-order" period, it is a marketing trick to create artificial shortage.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where GW allocates stock based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up. It's a comparable situation.
So you agree with me, it's no typical pre-order but a marketing trick.
Stratigo literally called what Nintendo and Sony do a marketing trick and that GW was just copying them.
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The Phazer wrote: The UK is up. My order is in (and I didn't buy Indomitus, so more for any of you who want it).
And half of the retailers I use are down PepeLaugh. I guess there really is going to be none of these available to buy, and I was hoping to get mine Monday. Oh well.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
Yes so you agree with my original point : it is not a typical "pre-order" period, it is a marketing trick to create artificial shortage.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where GW allocates stock based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up. It's a comparable situation.
So you agree with me, it's no typical pre-order but a marketing trick.
Technically, you're agreeing with me. Stratigo literally called what Nintendo and Sony do a marketing trick and that GW was just copying them.
Are you telling me you cannot pre-order a nintendo game during the pre-order period ? I've never seen that.
Shortage and shortage during pre-order a two totally different things.
Mixzremixzd wrote: Oof that was rough, went through like 5 website is down screens but I managed to get my order through and the received the email confirmation. Hopefully you guys can get yours as well.
The GW website was fine, and Indomitus was up by 9.55 so I was luckily able to get my order in, looks like their website has fallen over now. The likes of element and firestorm seem to be having the same issues.
doesn't bother me as i'll get if i get from 
