40k 9th edition, : App released page 413

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**Kanluwen**

Galas wrote:
PurpleEcho wrote:
Are the Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers definitely getting multi-part kit releases? or will they remain of the ETB variety?

Necron warriors come with options for both weapons for all 20 models so I'm pretty sure necron warriors will be just those repackaged as a normal box. Skorpekh I'm not that sure.

The Necron side is remarkably well spread out on sprues. The Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers+Plasmacyte both have their own sprues.

Spoiler:

Then there's a sprue that has the Skorpekh Destroyer Lord, the murderbuckets, Plasmancer, and the Reanimator all on it.
The Royal Warden and Overlord are on their own separate sprues and could be released as blisters/boxes on their own but the rest of the character stuff? It's all one frame.

Bonus Round:
The Marines are in a similar situation. Two frames for the 'core' stuff(Bikers and Assault Intercessors), one frame jampacked with goodies(Eradicators, Bladeguard Veterans, Judiciar, Chaplain, and the Bladeguard Ancient), then two independent character blister/box frames in the form of the Captain and Lieutenant.

**JWBS**

Danny76 wrote:
Several third party sellers are already saying wave two ordering for August.
So I assume a new wave is for sure a thing.

Problem is (for those that missed it), is that a lot of them have already sold their August wave, that's why they've sold a bunch to be delivered July and more for delivery in August. What we don't know for certain yet is how many retailers will actually have stock in August, and if GW will produce more for any of them.

**Crimson**

ERJAK wrote:
Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!

**ERJAK**

Crimson wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!

Models are boring and frankly old news. Points are the only thing worth waking up for today.

**General Kroll**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
So, whilst looking for the picture of the potential/almost-probably new Start Collecting! Necrons contents, I was looking through the new 40K website and there's a section for how to play. It's still coming soon (bit hard to get Becca Scott in to film a small video series during COVID), but it does have this:

Firstly we know the pipes are new, but what about those ruins?

There is no current wall panel in the Sector Imperialis line (including the Manufactorum walls) that has the CogSkull design on it. The smaller ruin to the north of it, between the two new sets of pipe, has a circular pattern not found on any of the current ruins.

Even the flooring on the larger ruin towards the bottom of the picture appears new, as it doesn't match either side of the regular floor panels, and is more ruined than the Derelict Manufactorum's flooring. That and it has different details.

I think there's even more new terrain coming our way!

And in what is perhaps sadder news, both the Battlefield Accessory Set and the Ryza Pattern Ruins are listed as "No Longer Available Online".

That’s a real shame, the Ryza pattern stuff is great. Very easy to put together and paint quickly. Surprised it’s gone OOP so quickly.

**Crimson**

ERJAK wrote:
Crimson wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!

Models are boring and frankly old news. Points are the only thing worth waking up for today.

Eh. Points are randomly assigned numbers that keep changing every six months.

**ERJAK**

Crimson wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Crimson wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!

Models are boring and frankly old news. Points are the only thing worth waking up for today.

Eh. Points are randomly assigned numbers that keep changing every six months.

Models are hunks of gray plastic that mostly end up at the bottom of the closet, still shrink wrapped after six months.

**ClockworkZion**

ERJAK wrote:
Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Might be still waiting on that Embargo to lift. I think pre-orders for the Americas start last, and until this go live they're still embargoed.

**Gadzilla666**

ERJAK wrote:Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Seconded, I need to know the points for my Night Lords and their resin toys.

Crimson wrote:Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!

Only if you play Necrons or *spits on ground* loyalist scum.

**Trickstick**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
ERJAK wrote:Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Seconded, I need to know the points for my Night Lords and their resin toys.

Crimson wrote:Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!

Only if you play Necrons or *spits on ground* loyalist scum.

Every Loyalist release is just a Chaos release waiting a conversion.

**ERJAK**

ClockworkZion wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Might be still waiting on that Embargo to lift. I think pre-orders for the Americas start last, and until this go live they're still embargoed.

My mind knows that (1pm EST btw), but my heart just wants leaks...

**Trickstick**

ERJAK wrote:
My mind knows that (1pm EST btw), but my heart just wants leaks...

I think that I found a picture of some, if that helps. Hard to tell if it's that useful though:

Spoiler:

**Gadzilla666**

Trickstick wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
ERJAK wrote:Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Seconded, I need to know the points for my Night Lords and their resin toys.

Crimson wrote:Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!

Only if you play Necrons or *spits on ground* loyalist scum.

Every Loyalist release is just a Chaos release waiting a conversion.

Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.

**Kanluwen**

ClockworkZion wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!

Might be still waiting on that Embargo to lift. I think pre-orders for the Americas start last, and until this go live they're still embargoed.

Embargo lifts when the first preorders start.

Purportedly, there were no Chapter Approveds sent out after the leak of the core book.

**Trickstick**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.

Sounds like nonsense. Could easily have some Chaos in stolen Primaris armour, or renegade Imperials who didn't like this whole Primaris thing and so killed them to steal their equipment.

**JWBS**

Trickstick wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.

Sounds like nonsense. Could easily have some Chaos in stolen Primaris armour, or renegade Imperials who didn't like this whole Primaris thing and so killed them to steal their equipment.

Just trim the knee pads. The gorget is barely notable.

**H.B.M.C.**

We know that there are no traitor Primaris. The Custodes kill 'em all before that can happen.

And points'll be out in the wild for everyone to see by Sunday of release day, just every other recent GW book release.

**yukishiro1**

I really, really hope the scarcity of chaos players keeps those factions free of the Primaris menace. But I don't hold any great illusions it will be the case - they just haven't got around to boiling those frogs yet.

P.S. It looks like there's no need to buy the main rulebook unless you want the non-competitive missions and the crusade rules, the CA2020 rulebook has all the rules reprinted in it, plus the tournament missions and the new points, for $25 less.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60040199125_ChapterApprovedGTPackContent.jpg

**Sgt. Cortez**

It's a shame, I don't care about tournament missions and points will be in Battlescribe, Crusade and narrative missions on the other hand are the important Part to me

**MonkeyBallistic**

Trickstick wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.

Sounds like nonsense. Could easily have some Chaos in stolen Primaris armour, or renegade Imperials who didn't like this whole Primaris thing and so killed them to steal their equipment.

We know the Primaris lore is just made up BS to justify making better minis. In my head cannon Primaris don’t exist, it’s just that marine minis look better now. I’d have no issues with someone converting Intercessors to be chaos marines. In fact I’ve seen it done with amazing results.

**Crimson**

MonkeyBallistic wrote:

We know the Primaris lore is just made up BS to justify making better minis. In my head cannon Primaris don’t exist, it’s just that marine minis look better now. I’d have no issues with someone converting Intercessors to be chaos marines. In fact I’ve seen it done with amazing results.

Yep. Though it would still be nice if Chaos could also have marines with a decent profile. They should at least give the Chosen a Primaris profile so they wouldn't feel so utterly wimpy.

**Trickstick**

They literally started as a simple marine redesign, the rest came later.

**Sunny Side Up**

Trickstick wrote:
They literally started as a simple marine redesign, the rest came later.

Of course.

The only reason it wasn't a Marine replacement was because they learned from the AoS-backlash and didn't want to invalidate people's old-Marine armies.

Hence they made up stuff that would justify old Marine armies alongside the new Marine armies in the game.

**MonkeyBallistic**

Crimson wrote:
MonkeyBallistic wrote:

We know the Primaris lore is just made up BS to justify making better minis. In my head cannon Primaris don’t exist, it’s just that marine minis look better now. I’d have no issues with someone converting Intercessors to be chaos marines. In fact I’ve seen it done with amazing results.

Yep. Though it would still be nice if Chaos could also have marines with a decent profile. They should at least give the Chosen a Primaris profile so they wouldn't feel so utterly wimpy.

Oh without a doubt. If you go by the lore, marines should be a super elite, low model count army.

**Gadzilla666**

yukishiro1 wrote:
I really, really hope the scarcity of chaos players keeps those factions free of the Primaris menace. But I don't hold any great illusions it will be the case - they just haven't got around to boiling those frogs yet.

P.S. It looks like there's no need to buy the main rulebook unless you want the non-competitive missions and the crusade rules, the CA2020 rulebook has all the rules reprinted in it, plus the tournament missions and the new points, for $25 less.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60040199125_ChapterApprovedGTPackContent.jpg

It's hard to make out, but I don't see Renegades and Heretics in the Forge World section. They've been squated.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Trickstick wrote:
They literally started as a simple marine redesign, the rest came later.

Of course.

The only reason it wasn't a Marine replacement was because they learned from the AoS-backlash and didn't want to invalidate people's old-Marine armies.

Hence they made up stuff that would justify old Marine armies alongside the new Marine armies in the game.

Or they realized that if it were just a 1 for 1 replacement then people could continue using their old minis...

**Overread**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Trickstick wrote:
They literally started as a simple marine redesign, the rest came later.

Of course.

The only reason it wasn't a Marine replacement was because they learned from the AoS-backlash and didn't want to invalidate people's old-Marine armies.

Hence they made up stuff that would justify old Marine armies alongside the new Marine armies in the game.

Or they realized that if it were just a 1 for 1 replacement then people could continue using their old minis...

This might be closer to the truth. That said honestly most pepole who keep up with an army do end up replacing things. Esp since GW might introduce a new weapon or just because new sculpts do tend to be better than the old (its actually rare that its the other way around).

I think Primaris were born of the same management thoughts and style as Yinnari and AoS - a management looking more at numbers than the game and customer. Primaris are a messy way to try and double the size of the marine range; yet because they are almost coping the same regiment design it ends up looking really odd that you've marine and primaris in the same "roles"

**yukishiro1**

The entire point of the Primaris Project was to get every Space Marine player to have to replace his entire collection. It is 100% about $$$. They had a problem because after 3 decades, long-term space marine players already had full collections and it was getting difficult to keep selling them stuff. Solution: make them rebuy their whole collections with new, upgraded marines!

But they knew that if you just squatted all the old marines in one fell swoop people would rebel. So they're boiling the frog slowly. Remember the original "you can use these together! they're complementary! they won't be replacing your old colletion!" reassurances? Well, now we're in 9th. Now the old models are getting squatted and replaced by primaris entirely (chaplain on bike) and/or replaced with primaris versions that are aggressively pointed and ruled to simply be better, such that you'd never use the old versions (intercessors point values vs tacs, new primaris bikes vs old ones).

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

If peeps in the UK are still without copies, Firestorm Cards (not to be confused with Firestorm Games) still have over 180 copies at the time of typing.

**Ghaz**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Warriors I'm certain are the new Warriors kit. As mentioned above they come with both sets of options already. Plus they come with 3 bases of Scarabs on the sprue. It's a flat 1 for 1 replacement with the current box, only it'll be 20%-50% more expensive for some reason.

That is exactly what they did with the Chainrasps from the Soul Wars box so that's a given...