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ClockworkZion wrote: About half an hour to go (from this post) to see if GW is going to announce a proper 9th ed starter. It'd be the perfect time to do so, and might take some wind out of the scalper's sales in the models are in that box too.
"Now that we've sold through the box we are starting the edition with, here's a start box!"
Lemondish wrote: For those who will not play crusade or do not care about the lore in the BRB, purchase CA2020 instead. It has all the rules you will need, the missions you'll prefer to play, and the points for making lists.
Really? What's this based on?
It has points and missions, but i don't see anything about army building, detachments, CP, strats and rules along those lines (which aren't in the Core Rules pdf either). Like 8th, it seems that there are a fair chunk of rules that are only in the BRB, but are necessary to actually play the game.
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ClockworkZion wrote: About half an hour to go (from this post) to see if GW is going to announce a proper 9th ed starter. It'd be the perfect time to do so, and might take some wind out of the scalper's sales in the models are in that box too.
They won't. That'd be beyond stupid to do the next day. It'd be a mess of cancelled orders, re-orders, mucking about and yelling.
August, minimum. Likely december or january.
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You can see a PDF of the contents page on the Games Workshop website. Everything seems to me there that you mentioned except the detachments, which seems like a really weird thing to leave out when you have everything else in - and is also something I can't imagine anyone is going to spend $65 for when the info is all freely available in the public domain.
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I don't know why a starter would result in cancelled Indomitus boxes for non-scalpers unless you ignored all the "it's not a starter" statements and then it's on you.
We have no Sunday preview today as there are no new pre-orders next week.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Lol. Says guy that lists things always in starter sets that miss and claims it's starter set.
Yes. Simple logic wins. That's why you lost. Epic fail
Just because they only include the datasheets, there is nothing stopping two players from having a game out of the box. Not even First strike has the full rules nor the codices, yet is still a starter set.
It still stands, this is still a 40K game out of the box, which is the definition of a starter set.
Look, tneva82 - if you put logic on the table I will always be the one to say "okay, I stand corrected.", and have done so in the past. I invite you to do so.
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ClockworkZion wrote: I don't know why a starter would result in cancelled Indomitus boxes for non-scalpers unless you ignored all the "it's not a starter" statements and then it's on you.
Its got nothing to do with that. That's... not even vaguely relevant.
You start giving people alternatives to buy, and some who bought the one will decide to buy the other instead. Its why GW doesn't talk about releases in advance- they want the money for the current product, not for people to save for the _next_ product.
New releases start out strong and then drop to fairly static levels fast. That's fine for kits once they've been out for a while, but you don't give people reasons to buy other things before release.
People are more reluctant to return products, even if they aren't happy with them later or want something else. They're not that reluctant to cancel a preorder.
Edit: unsurprisingly they aren't even putting up preorders for the Underworlds or AoS backlog to distract from 40k.
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Lol. Says guy that lists things always in starter sets that miss and claims it's starter set.
Yes. Simple logic wins. That's why you lost. Epic fail
Just because they only include the datasheets, there is nothing stopping two players from having a game out of the box. Not even First strike has the full rules nor the codices, yet is still a starter set.
It still stands, this is still a 40K game out of the box, which is the definition of a starter set.
Look, tneva82 - if you put logic on the table I will always be the one to say "okay, I stand corrected.", and have done so in the past. I invite you to do so.
You can call the box a starter or a beginner's box or even Private Jenkins if you want to. GW says it's not a starter and that's what matters so can we please drop this meaningless tangent?
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Lol. Says guy that lists things always in starter sets that miss and claims it's starter set.
Yes. Simple logic wins. That's why you lost. Epic fail
Just because they only include the datasheets, there is nothing stopping two players from having a game out of the box. Not even First strike has the full rules nor the codices, yet is still a starter set.
It still stands, this is still a 40K game out of the box, which is the definition of a starter set.
Look, tneva82 - if you put logic on the table I will always be the one to say "okay, I stand corrected.", and have done so in the past. I invite you to do so.
You can call the box a starter or a beginner's box or even Private Jenkins if you want to. GW says it's not a starter and that's what matters so can we please drop this meaningless tangent?
There's 9 characters in that box. Many have equivalents already, so released individually, just the characters will be around $300.
There's 9 characters...and 4(Lieutenant, Captain, Royal Warden, and Overlord) are on individual sprues.
The other 5 are on two shared sprues(the Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord are on the Necron one with the Reanimator while the Chaplain, Judiciar, and Bladeguard Ancient are all part of the Marine sprue with Bladeguard and Eradicators) keyed to each faction.
Frankly, I'm expecting the Bladeguard Ancient to be a part of the Bladeguard's box if ever there is one.
Alright, some may not get released individually.
But still, some simply math:
Rulebook- $65 by itself.
Primaris LTs - $35 in various poses
Primaris Captains- $35 (or $36)
Necron Overlord- $28 for current one. New one likely to be somewhat higher.
Warden- doesn't exist. Let's lowball it and call it $28 too.
So, $191, $8 less than the total price of the box set, for 4 models and a book, and that's with 5 year old prices on the necron characters.
Lets be generous and say everything else gets tossed into start collecting sets. Well, Vanguard Space Marines are $95 and fairly recent. Seems a reasonable baseline.
So $190 for both of those.
We've almost doubled the cost of the box set with very conservative prices.
'No rush, they'll come out individually eventually' is a 100% price increase, minimum.
So the box actually is a good deal now? What happened to people being manipulated into buying it by limited stock? Are they manipulated harder to buy it when it comes out at a higher price and not limited?
Do you not know how marketing works?
Again, you have it reversed. The price of the individual kits are so high so that you are driven to buy the bundle, which often comes with some extra stuff you do not need. It's basic psychology to manipulate people's ability to compare similar things. You produce limited product for a "discount" (Note that it is all relative and GW is not loosing a cent on the "sale" they are offering here. They're actually making quite a lot) to further incentive people buying all of it immediately with no thought or consideration.
I mean come on, are you just not thinking through what people are writing here?
The thread moves pretty fast; it seems like you missed some previous back-and-forth with him that lends additional context to my comment. But the passive-aggressive insults are uncalled for regardless.
There's 9 characters in that box. Many have equivalents already, so released individually, just the characters will be around $300.
There's 9 characters...and 4(Lieutenant, Captain, Royal Warden, and Overlord) are on individual sprues.
The other 5 are on two shared sprues(the Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord are on the Necron one with the Reanimator while the Chaplain, Judiciar, and Bladeguard Ancient are all part of the Marine sprue with Bladeguard and Eradicators) keyed to each faction.
Frankly, I'm expecting the Bladeguard Ancient to be a part of the Bladeguard's box if ever there is one.
Alright, some may not get released individually.
But still, some simply math:
Rulebook- $65 by itself.
Primaris LTs - $35 in various poses
Primaris Captains- $35 (or $36)
Necron Overlord- $28 for current one. New one likely to be somewhat higher.
Warden- doesn't exist. Let's lowball it and call it $28 too.
So, $191, $8 less than the total price of the box set, for 4 models and a book, and that's with 5 year old prices on the necron characters.
Lets be generous and say everything else gets tossed into start collecting sets. Well, Vanguard Space Marines are $95 and fairly recent. Seems a reasonable baseline.
So $190 for both of those.
We've almost doubled the cost of the box set with very conservative prices.
'No rush, they'll come out individually eventually' is a 100% price increase, minimum.
So the box actually is a good deal now? What happened to people being manipulated into buying it by limited stock? Are they manipulated harder to buy it when it comes out at a higher price and not limited?
Do you not know how marketing works?
Again, you have it reversed. The price of the individual kits are so high so that you are driven to buy the bundle, which often comes with some extra stuff you do not need. It's basic psychology to manipulate people's ability to compare similar things. You produce limited product for a "discount" (Note that it is all relative and GW is not loosing a cent on the "sale" they are offering here. They're actually making quite a lot) to further incentive people buying all of it immediately with no thought or consideration.
I mean come on, are you just not thinking through what people are writing here?
The thread moves pretty fast; it seems like you missed some previous back-and-forth with him that lends additional context to my comment. But the passive-aggressive insults are uncalled for regardless.
...I keep wanting to post the random nonsense that's filling my brain as it desperately tries to occupy itself with something other than thinking about the new points not having been leaked yet, but I imagine it would be woefully off topic.
They won't. That'd be beyond stupid to do the next day. It'd be a mess of cancelled orders, re-orders, mucking about and yelling.
August, minimum. Likely december or january.
That would be stupid of players. Buy discount box, cancel when starter set comes. That's like cancelling buying baneblade when crisis suit gets released. 2 different products.
Starter set discount likely worse anyway. Why cancel better product for worse
They won't. That'd be beyond stupid to do the next day. It'd be a mess of cancelled orders, re-orders, mucking about and yelling.
August, minimum. Likely december or january.
That would be stupid of players. Buy discount box, cancel when starter set comes. That's like cancelling buying baneblade when crisis suit gets released. 2 different products.
Starter set discount likely worse anyway. Why cancel better product for worse
It depends what's in each, obviously. If the starter is just less of what's in Indomitus, it would be. If it involves different forces, obviously people are going to buy what the faction(s) they actually want.
It isn't a baneblade vs crisis suit comparison. It'd be more like putting up Looncurse for preorder, and the next day saying, hey, next week we'll be selling [whatever the Strigoi vs Skaven set was called].
...with the exception that obviously the starter will also in involve space marines.
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ClockworkZion wrote: Well GW is mass deleting Facebook comments aboit Indomitus still. They won't even acknowledge the scalper problem.
This kids, is how you lose three years of public approval and salvaged reputation in a single weekend.
I doubt this is going to have any long term effect. Once the new shinies are available, most people will move on.
I don't know. People still piss and moan about Squats, or about losing the options of the 3.5 CSM book. The 40k community holds grudges for a long time and teaxhes new.players to hold those same grudges.
ClockworkZion wrote: Well GW is mass deleting Facebook comments aboit Indomitus still. They won't even acknowledge the scalper problem.
This kids, is how you lose three years of public approval and salvaged reputation in a single weekend.
In my view, the only real difference between the GW of today and the GW of 10 years ago is they now have a marketing department to Hype Hype Hype. Beyond that, not much has changed in the grand scheme of things...
ClockworkZion wrote: Well GW is mass deleting Facebook comments aboit Indomitus still. They won't even acknowledge the scalper problem.
This kids, is how you lose three years of public approval and salvaged reputation in a single weekend.
All broken hearts will mend in a week or two.
don't know. People still piss and moan about Squats, or about losing the options of the 3.5 CSM book. The 40k community holds grudges for a long time and teaxhes new.players to hold those same grudges.
Those are bad examples. Its empty moaning, since the moaners have stayed GW customers for 20+ years.
That kind of moaning is absolute win for GW. People who care so much that they stick around and complain? And still buy stuff? Thats the kind of 'disgruntled customer' every company loves.
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ClockworkZion wrote: Well GW is mass deleting Facebook comments aboit Indomitus still. They won't even acknowledge the scalper problem.
This kids, is how you lose three years of public approval and salvaged reputation in a single weekend.
I doubt this is going to have any long term effect. Once the new shinies are available, most people will move on.
I don't know. People still piss and moan about Squats, or about losing the options of the 3.5 CSM book. The 40k community holds grudges for a long time and teaxhes new.players to hold those same grudges.
They're still playing though, and really this is a vocal extreme minority.
I'm sure you'll have people complaining about indomitus sell out for the next decade, but the reality is these people probably don't even represent a rounding error of the actual fanbase.
ClockworkZion wrote: Well GW is mass deleting Facebook comments aboit Indomitus still. They won't even acknowledge the scalper problem.
This kids, is how you lose three years of public approval and salvaged reputation in a single weekend.
Facebook posts can be hidden and not deleted.
The Social Media guy can't make any comments about scalpers or shortages. That would be from Management who most likely won't be back in the office until Monday and then must decide exactly what they're going to say (if anything) on the subject(s).
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
ClockworkZion wrote: Well GW is mass deleting Facebook comments aboit Indomitus still. They won't even acknowledge the scalper problem.
This kids, is how you lose three years of public approval and salvaged reputation in a single weekend.
No it isn't. The majority of people already either got their's, are blaming the scalpers themselves, or(like me) just don't care at all about the free market being the free market for an elastic good. A chunk of people are pissed now but a big subsection of them won't be anymore the second they secure their own box.
The funny thing is that while I did get one? If I didn’t? I wouldn’t be losing any sleep over it.
I would just get the hacksaw and start converting from the extra bodies I have and the huge mountain of bits(GW and third party) that are sitting around.
I would honestly be surprised if there is not already a weapon arm set for CC primaris on shapeways right now. If GW doesn’t want my money from having the product available, I got no problem converting my own.
Different time periods in starting the hobby I assume.
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People who stopped buying GW but wont stop bitching about it are the vegans of warhammer
ClockworkZion wrote: Well GW is mass deleting Facebook comments aboit Indomitus still. They won't even acknowledge the scalper problem.
This kids, is how you lose three years of public approval and salvaged reputation in a single weekend.
GW could mandate you being kicked between the legs with every purchase and they'd make millions in profit, as well as plenty of people telling us why actually it's a good thing.
They'll be fine.
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There's 9 characters in that box. Many have equivalents already, so released individually, just the characters will be around $300.
There's 9 characters...and 4(Lieutenant, Captain, Royal Warden, and Overlord) are on individual sprues.
The other 5 are on two shared sprues(the Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord are on the Necron one with the Reanimator while the Chaplain, Judiciar, and Bladeguard Ancient are all part of the Marine sprue with Bladeguard and Eradicators) keyed to each faction.
Frankly, I'm expecting the Bladeguard Ancient to be a part of the Bladeguard's box if ever there is one.
Alright, some may not get released individually.
But still, some simply math:
Rulebook- $65 by itself.
Primaris LTs - $35 in various poses
Primaris Captains- $35 (or $36)
Necron Overlord- $28 for current one. New one likely to be somewhat higher.
Warden- doesn't exist. Let's lowball it and call it $28 too.
So, $191, $8 less than the total price of the box set, for 4 models and a book, and that's with 5 year old prices on the necron characters.
Lets be generous and say everything else gets tossed into start collecting sets. Well, Vanguard Space Marines are $95 and fairly recent. Seems a reasonable baseline.
So $190 for both of those.
We've almost doubled the cost of the box set with very conservative prices.
'No rush, they'll come out individually eventually' is a 100% price increase, minimum.
So the box actually is a good deal now? What happened to people being manipulated into buying it by limited stock? Are they manipulated harder to buy it when it comes out at a higher price and not limited?
Do you not know how marketing works?
Again, you have it reversed. The price of the individual kits are so high so that you are driven to buy the bundle, which often comes with some extra stuff you do not need. It's basic psychology to manipulate people's ability to compare similar things. You produce limited product for a "discount" (Note that it is all relative and GW is not loosing a cent on the "sale" they are offering here. They're actually making quite a lot) to further incentive people buying all of it immediately with no thought or consideration.
I mean come on, are you just not thinking through what people are writing here?
The thread moves pretty fast; it seems like you missed some previous back-and-forth with him that lends additional context to my comment. But the passive-aggressive insults are uncalled for regardless.
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