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A German online Store had a Stock of around 1000 listed.
In German eBay i have also Seen several boxes for retail or less

Not Online!!! wrote:

macluvin wrote:
By that logic we should be pissed at smokers rather than the tobacco industry...

Also severly missed the fact that the gaming and entertainment industries hire psychologists quite heavily.

What consumer industry doesn't? I remember learning about the psychology of food shopping, and how people can perceive value differently depending on how high a shelf the product is. People make millions consulting on this stuff.

 Trickstick wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

macluvin wrote:
By that logic we should be pissed at smokers rather than the tobacco industry...

Also severly missed the fact that the gaming and entertainment industries hire psychologists quite heavily.

What consumer industry doesn't? I remember learning about the psychology of food shopping, and how people can perceive value differently depending on how high a shelf the product is. People make millions consulting on this stuff.

Aye , doesn't Change the fact that it is questionable and some excesses.might need reigning in, Heck Look at the Video gaming industry and the slap they will get for lootboxes.

But anyways disgression.
Back to topic.

macluvin wrote:
By that logic we should be pissed at smokers rather than the tobacco industry...

Ok I know we use the "plastic crack" analogy a lot but GW miniatures aren't literally addictive like nicotine is. Also, no one is claiming the companies are completely blameless here. Just the idea that a consumer being blameless for making bad purchases is absurd. They still chose to buy those things, GW is not holding a gun to people's heads. We are also ignoring what is a huge blob of people who bought Indomitus sooner but would have bought it anyways. How many of those waiting to pre-order the minute it launched would actually never have bought Indomitus were it not limited release? I doubt that number is very high; I feel the vast majority of those people would have pre-ordered later in the day/week or snagged one once it actually hit stores.

 Trickstick wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Looks like the scalpers hit this one in force:

That strikes me as a scam. That is Australian Dollars, right? Indomitus is $290 in Australia. Either that person is on razor margins, or it's a scam. $145.55 is only £80 too.

That’s only for the space marine half of the set. He is also selling the Necrons for the same price and the rules (uncertain of price) in separate listings.

macluvin wrote:
. Besides it’s the starter box. It’s only limited edition as far as 9th is limited edition. If the demand is there they will print more.

Well, no. Pretty much all of this is wrong, though some only on a technicality.

It isn't a starter box... because GW isn't calling it that. [And traditionally, starter boxes have dice, measuring sticks and relatively complete rules for the models, and these openly reference the relevant codexes instead]

It explicitly won't last the length of 9th edition. This is, with one exception, a deliberate choice by GW.
Same with printing more- the one exception is, of course, the rulebook (and the campaign pamphlet). Models they do themselves, books they largely don't. Its a limited edition book with a slightly different cover (the front lacks words and logos). Their publisher might not be willing to do another small print run at a cost GW will accept, in which case it is actually limited.

But the product description claims the rulebook sans cover words in Indomitus exclusive and the Edge of Silence campaign pamphlet is also exclusive. So we won't see those again. Though the difference between the Indomitus rulebook and the normal rulebook is very little.

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So with that in mind, its really easy to imagine that an official 9th edition Starter Set [that is not called Indomitus] could happen which has most of the same models [delete a couple characters on both sides], a softback mini rulebook, a slightly larger campaign book with full datacards for the units [this will be after the SM and Necron 9th edition books, so they don't have to worry about lacking or contradicting new rules], some measuring devices and some dice. Tadah, limited edition Indomitus is still limited edition, keeps all its exclusives and... is largely replicated at roughly the same price point while providing a bit less.

And then that's the starter set until they replace it with a new one.
I fully expect that Indomitus will have another print run or two, and stock redistribution. But I expect an official 'starter' set with most of the same models to happen after the Necron and SM updates. But not before, as that could undercut sales.
Basically roughly the same time frame from the Sisters Battlebox to their Codex release (barring any more economic disruptions)

Aeneades wrote:
That’s only for the space marine half of the set. He is also selling the Necrons for the same price and the rules (uncertain of price) in separate listings.

Ah, I see. Yeah that would be a tidy profit. I get the feeling it is either stolen or, more likely, someone abusing their trade account. I think GW has specific rules against things like splitting sets and insane prices. Of course, someone getting 50 sets through normal means isn't impossible.

angel of death 007 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
there was a vendor in Ebay who sold 48 Units for $349 each. Wonder how he got 48 units. Think GW didn't send them to them? think they have no affiliation or connection to GW.

Look at the facts. GW advertised the "Limited Edition" release for a month.

GW made limited amount of units.

GW unintentionally.... or maybe intentionally created a demand.

And so called "scalpers" made record profits..... yet GW makes record profits without ever disclosing details. Think that there is an connection between GW or someone at GW and "scalpers"... hmmmn.

It is the old only let so many people into a club so the line gets long outside the door and increase cover charge by the hour effect. Shady businesses stay in business and make record profits because they master shady techniques.

Take the tinfoil hat off, it's cutting the circulation off to your brain.

Ya i guess a tin foil hat is better then the fan boy pants it seems like most of you wear. But I mean hard to blame a crack head for being addicted to crack as they don't see the crack or crack dealer as the problem it is the cops, family and rehab that keep them from their crack that are the "villians" in their minds.

Pointing fingers at the wrong person mate. All I'm saying is GW isn't scalping their own product and that was a crazy claim to make.

angel of death 007 wrote:
there was a vendor in Ebay who sold 48 Units for $349 each. Wonder how he got 48 units. Think GW didn't send them to them? think they have no affiliation or connection to GW.

Look at the facts. GW advertised the "Limited Edition" release for a month.

GW made limited amount of units.

GW unintentionally.... or maybe intentionally created a demand.

And so called "scalpers" made record profits..... yet GW makes record profits without ever disclosing details. Think that there is an connection between GW or someone at GW and "scalpers"... hmmmn.

It is the old only let so many people into a club so the line gets long outside the door and increase cover charge by the hour effect. Shady businesses stay in business and make record profits because they master shady techniques.

In addition to the stores that have accounts with GW, there's also the distributors such as Alliance and ACD who carry GW product and sell it to retailers who don't have or can't afford to have an account directly with GW. They will probably be allocated a fair number of copies more than an individual store would receive.

I mean, I highly doubt this will be the end of the set. I expect quite a few more printings since my understanding was that it was expected for limited time rather than limited stock.

Might be an additional month but I thoroughly expect more to return, no one is gonna look at demand and say “we need to stop producing this now” unless their intent was to only produce as many as they had.

 Leth wrote:
I mean, I highly doubt this will be the end of the set. I expect quite a few more printings since my understanding was that it was expected for limited time rather than limited stock.

From Warhammer Community (emphasis added):

That’s not long at all! Indomitus is the flagship of the new edition, and what an amazing way to celebrate. If you want a reminder of just how very full of Warhammer 40,000 goodness this box is, take a look back at our unboxing article. Copies are available while stocks last, so be sure to secure yours early – they won’t be around forever.

I stand corrected, glad I camped the website lol. Made sure everything on my account was up to date the day before as well. Seconds after i submitted the website went down.

 Trickstick wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

macluvin wrote:
By that logic we should be pissed at smokers rather than the tobacco industry...

Also severly missed the fact that the gaming and entertainment industries hire psychologists quite heavily.

What consumer industry doesn't? I remember learning about the psychology of food shopping, and how people can perceive value differently depending on how high a shelf the product is. People make millions consulting on this stuff.

And it's not all bad.

But sometimes it is really fething bad. Like, get kids to steal parents credit cards so they aren't bullied in school for not having cool skins bad. Or get certain hobbyists to think they are inherently superior to people who can't afford their hobby (which often just so happen to be minorities).

The book by all accounts is a massive brick, lots of fluff and prob impractical for gaming with.

The models will all get their own box sets....

I'll wait

 Latro_ wrote:
The book by all accounts is a massive brick, lots of fluff and prob impractical for gaming with.

The models will all get their own box sets....

I'll wait

Which is the funny thing about all of this--the contents will be released on their own eventually.

At a much higher price, mind.

There's 9 characters in that box. Many have equivalents already, so released individually, just the characters will be around $300.

And if Shadowspear is anything to go by, the characters will go individually and not in a Start Collecting box.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
The book by all accounts is a massive brick, lots of fluff and prob impractical for gaming with.

The models will all get their own box sets....

I'll wait

Which is the funny thing about all of this--the contents will be released on their own eventually.

You know what they say ...

Voss wrote:
At a much higher price, mind.

There's 9 characters in that box. Many have equivalents already, so released individually, just the characters will be around $300.

There's 9 characters...and 4(Lieutenant, Captain, Royal Warden, and Overlord) are on individual sprues.
The other 5 are on two shared sprues(the Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord are on the Necron one with the Reanimator while the Chaplain, Judiciar, and Bladeguard Ancient are all part of the Marine sprue with Bladeguard and Eradicators) keyed to each faction.

Frankly, I'm expecting the Bladeguard Ancient to be a part of the Bladeguard's box if ever there is one.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
At a much higher price, mind.

There's 9 characters in that box. Many have equivalents already, so released individually, just the characters will be around $300.

There's 9 characters...and 4(Lieutenant, Captain, Royal Warden, and Overlord) are on individual sprues.
The other 5 are on two shared sprues(the Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord are on the Necron one with the Reanimator while the Chaplain, Judiciar, and Bladeguard Ancient are all part of the Marine sprue with Bladeguard and Eradicators) keyed to each faction.

Frankly, I'm expecting the Bladeguard Ancient to be a part of the Bladeguard's box if ever there is one.

Alright, some may not get released individually.

But still, some simply math:
Rulebook- $65 by itself.
Primaris LTs - $35 in various poses
Primaris Captains- $35 (or $36)
Necron Overlord- $28 for current one. New one likely to be somewhat higher.
Warden- doesn't exist. Let's lowball it and call it $28 too.

So, $191, $8 less than the total price of the box set, for 4 models and a book, and that's with 5 year old prices on the necron characters.

Lets be generous and say everything else gets tossed into start collecting sets. Well, Vanguard Space Marines are $95 and fairly recent. Seems a reasonable baseline.
So $190 for both of those.
We've almost doubled the cost of the box set with very conservative prices.

'No rush, they'll come out individually eventually' is a 100% price increase, minimum.

Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
At a much higher price, mind.

There's 9 characters in that box. Many have equivalents already, so released individually, just the characters will be around $300.

There's 9 characters...and 4(Lieutenant, Captain, Royal Warden, and Overlord) are on individual sprues.
The other 5 are on two shared sprues(the Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord are on the Necron one with the Reanimator while the Chaplain, Judiciar, and Bladeguard Ancient are all part of the Marine sprue with Bladeguard and Eradicators) keyed to each faction.

Frankly, I'm expecting the Bladeguard Ancient to be a part of the Bladeguard's box if ever there is one.

Alright, some may not get released individually.

But still, some simply math:
Rulebook- $65 by itself.
Primaris LTs - $35 in various poses
Primaris Captains- $35 (or $36)
Necron Overlord- $28 for current one. New one likely to be somewhat higher.
Warden- doesn't exist. Let's lowball it and call it $28 too.

So, $191, $8 less than the total price of the box set, for 4 models and a book, and that's with 5 year old prices on the necron characters.

Lets be generous and say everything else gets tossed into start collecting sets. Well, Vanguard Space Marines are $95 and fairly recent. Seems a reasonable baseline.
So $190 for both of those.
We've almost doubled the cost of the box set with very conservative prices.

'No rush, they'll come out individually eventually' is a 100% price increase, minimum.

So the box actually is a good deal now? What happened to people being manipulated into buying it by limited stock? Are they manipulated harder to buy it when it comes out at a higher price and not limited?

Hey now, that kind of talk might mean that people have to take responsibility for the financial decisions that they are making.

No, no the grey plastic wall of shame must remain the fault of GW.

Wish they had produced more copies, but I recognize that situational variables would have a significant impact. I expect them to do a second run within the next month or so for at least the models.

 Leth wrote:
Hey now, that kind of talk might mean that people have to take responsibility for the financial decisions that they are making.

No, no the grey plastic wall of shame must remain the fault of GW.

Wish they had produced more copies, but I recognize that situational variables would have a significant impact. I expect them to do a second run within the next month or so for at least the models.

Considering that planning for this release would have been 6+ months ago, and the amount of lead time it takes just to get the boxes from China, especially during a pandemic when everything was shut down, I don't know if we could really have gotten too much better than this.

That said, it looks like there is an issue with some independent stockists taking advantage of this which is a damn shame because it only hurts the other stockists and makes the product even scarcer than a limited run product would have been from the start.

Agreed, it is a damn shame. I can understand people buying and then splitting things up but there is that then there is that.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Agreed, it is a damn shame. I can understand people buying and then splitting things up but there is that then there is that.

Agreed. Splitting a box, or even selling the half you don't want is one thing, but the stuff I've been seeing screencaps of? There's not justification or excuse for it.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Which is the funny thing about all of this--the contents will be released on their own eventually.

We don't know that. There are things from the previous three starter boxes that don't have individual releases yet (and yes, I'm counting the Cultists from the 6th (?) starter).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Agreed, it is a damn shame. I can understand people buying and then splitting things up but there is that then there is that.

Agreed. Splitting a box, or even selling the half you don't want is one thing, but the stuff I've been seeing screencaps of? There's not justification or excuse for it.

got curios and checked ebay........so now i know i can still get the set, all for the low low price of 800 bucks

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Which is the funny thing about all of this--the contents will be released on their own eventually.

We don't know that. There are things from the previous three starter boxes that don't have individual releases yet (and yes, I'm counting the Cultists from the 6th (?) starter).

6th and 7th. Same box was used for both.

And we did get that box of 5 Cultists which is probably the only reason the unit is still in the game at this point.

angel of death 007 wrote:
Not every store that sells GW products got 45 copies.

The largest store in our area was limited to 45 after he ordered (and was confirmed for) 150 sets. Confirmed until GW changed their mind and instituted the cap.

 greenskin lynn wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Agreed, it is a damn shame. I can understand people buying and then splitting things up but there is that then there is that.

Agreed. Splitting a box, or even selling the half you don't want is one thing, but the stuff I've been seeing screencaps of? There's not justification or excuse for it.

got curios and checked ebay........so now i know i can still get the set, all for the low low price of 800 bucks

Or just the Necron half for only $200.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
With what looks like only two pages of Necron Forgeworld rules in CA, they'll likely be losing units.

The Necrons fw section in ca 2019 only took up about a half page: 25% of one page then 25% of the next, so probably the same this time.

Oh, derp. I'd mistaken CA for having the actual rules in it

I'm sure CA including points, and then FW coming out with updated rules afterwards won't cause any problems...

Fw books will also have new points no doubt. But you need fw points in ca or fw books on sale 25.7. That isn't happening.