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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
I strongly suspect that this isn't the case. I've no special insight, obviously, but since the economic shutdown started I've been regulalry checking my retailers (half dozen of them) for specific stuff I want, but it's all been perpetually out of stock. Like, all of it, even little things like a Necromunda gang or a squad of Primaris, let alone the bigger things I was after. This continued long after the production started back up (couple of months ago now?). Only now is it gradually becoming available again. I kind of got the idea that GW have been plowing almost all of their efforts into this new 9th box, which is to say that I think that production of their other items has suffered in the mean time due to Covid, but that the resources they would have dedicated to this launch probably haven't.
Yeah, I was wrong and did not think that statement through enough before making it.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
All it takes is thinking "is X product worth Y price to me?" It is people's own fault they get wrapped up in superficial bullcrap and let it affect their reasoning. Being able to logically evaluate it a rather critical life skill. Is it kind of crappy of a company to exploit that so many people refuse to develop that skill? Yeah. It is setting people up to fail at their reasoning? Yeah. But the failure is still on the consumer if they buy a product that was not worth the price to them.
No, the failure is on the company for using the dramatic power difference over the consumer. It's not consumer's fault that literally the entirety of society is set up in such a way as to refuse them the tools to make logical choices. There is no homo economicus, and people are not pure creatures of logic. It is easy to manipulate nearly anybody with the right tools, tools that companies invest millions in discovering and refining, all the while they ALSO lobby to have the ability to investigate their practices stripped from the consumer. And this doesn't do into how, in America, there is literally no education about consumption, and barely any about economics, leaving such things in the hands of families. Which, surprise surprise, advantages rich families with free time and generational wealth verse poor (and often minority) families.
The system's crooked and intended so that you cannot make a truly informed decision.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
Faced between GW enacting a controlled-availability plan to lure people into buying product they would not otherwise purchase, or just not always being right on their estimations of how much to produce, I find the latter more plausible. Especially given the complete lack of evidence for the former.
There's not any evidence for the latter either. It's all supposition. Either GW is enacting malicious practices, or they are dumb enough that their stupidity mirrors those practices. And, ultimately, the motivation is sort of immaterial to the result, which is the same.
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The whole point of advertising is to make sure people don't make informed purchasing decisions and instead are manipulated into making decisions more favorable to the seller. Companies spend about $500 billion a year on advertising, and at least half of that spend is aimed not at simply making the consumer aware the product exists, but on manipulating them into buying a product they are already aware of yet would not otherwise buy.
The point of view that says "if you don't have the willpower to resist that $250 billion of carefully engineered emotional manipulation you're just a failure as a human being" has always struck me as extremely curious. Humans vary a bit from person to person, but we have very well-defined limits overall that can be measured and averaged. Just as we can calculate the amount of force required to overcome the bone resistance of the average human arm, we can also calculate the amount of manipulation required to overcome or at least to seriously undermine the average person's logical facilities.
Nobody would say the failure is on you if your bones break because you should have had stronger bones and bigger muscles to shield those bones, yet many people will happily tell people who have been manipulated that it's their own fault for not having stronger willpower or more resist logical reasoning facilities. It's fascinatingly ironic, because it represents just the sort of logical failure that these very same people are attributing to others.
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
Faced between GW enacting a controlled-availability plan to lure people into buying product they would not otherwise purchase, or just not always being right on their estimations of how much to produce, I find the latter more plausible. Especially given the complete lack of evidence for the former.
No, no.
GW ARE EVIL!!! PLEASE GW, GIVE ME MORE PLASTIC CRACK!!!
I swear some people are worst than a meth junkie (and I work with recovering drug addicts) and both meth junkies and mini wargamers behave toward their dealer in similar ways. LOL
GW isn't evil. It is amoral. Like any business of a sufficient size.
So legitimately how many units do you think GW made of this "limited edition release"?
I think it would shock me if it was actually over 10,000 units world wide. I don't understand the advertising something for a month to make it available in a limited format with only crickets left for those who were not able to get one of the limited box sets.
Really think someone needs to go back to math. Another part of me thinks that GW has its a box set as "limited release" to get the hype up... then sales 70 percent of the product made holding back 30 percent to sell on ebay through a fake vendor but is truly them after they intentionally inflated the price. Maybe it is GW doing the scalping or atleast someone who works for them as I don't see how all these "scalpers" seem to get so many units of a limited edition product unless they are a vendor or have connections with GW. Sounds about as shady as it probably is.
I wouldn't put it past GW on a moral level to scalp its own releases, but there is zero chance they would be able to get away with it, and zero chance they are dumb enough to think they could and therefore to try it.
angel of death 007 wrote: So legitimately how many units do you think GW made of this "limited edition release"?
I think it would shock me if it was actually over 10,000 units world wide. I don't understand the advertising something for a month to make it available in a limited format with only crickets left for those who were not able to get one of the limited box sets.
Really think someone needs to go back to math. Another part of me thinks that GW has its a box set as "limited release" to get the hype up... then sales 70 percent of the product made holding back 30 percent to sell on ebay through a fake vendor but is truly them after they intentionally inflated the price. Maybe it is GW doing the scalping or atleast someone who works for them as I don't see how all these "scalpers" seem to get so many units of a limited edition product unless they are a vendor or have connections with GW. Sounds about as shady as it probably is.
It is over 10k by a large magnitude, that number isn't even in the ballpark.
yukishiro1 wrote: I wouldn't put it past GW on a moral level to scalp its own releases, but there is zero chance they would be able to get away with it, and zero chance they are dumb enough to think they could and therefore to try it.
Doesn't mean it has to be GW the company, could always be someone who works high enough up to have a "friend" get so many units and make money on the side. If something looks shady it usually is. And odd ball scalpers who magically show up on the net listings things at double the price and having multiple units when vendors can only get so many units means someone higher up is doing something shady or turns an amazing blind eye to it.
For GW regulating the stuff it does, fake exchange rates, max discounts, etc... you really think they couldn't artificially inflate prices to sell stuff on the side through a "Satellite" business not affiliated directly with GW?. If something looks a certain way it is usually the way it looks, people have a tendency to try and make it something else believing that businesses have ethics when all the have is a profit margin at the end of the day.
angel of death 007 wrote: So legitimately how many units do you think GW made of this "limited edition release"?
I think it would shock me if it was actually over 10,000 units world wide. I don't understand the advertising something for a month to make it available in a limited format with only crickets left for those who were not able to get one of the limited box sets.
Really think someone needs to go back to math. Another part of me thinks that GW has its a box set as "limited release" to get the hype up... then sales 70 percent of the product made holding back 30 percent to sell on ebay through a fake vendor but is truly them after they intentionally inflated the price. Maybe it is GW doing the scalping or atleast someone who works for them as I don't see how all these "scalpers" seem to get so many units of a limited edition product unless they are a vendor or have connections with GW. Sounds about as shady as it probably is.
It is over 10k by a large magnitude, that number isn't even in the ballpark.
To sell out on their webpage in UK in 10 minutes and then in the USA in 10 minutes.... it sure as hell isn't 100k... I think 10k is a good estimate as they have probably promised many to real vendors and some to fake vendors. I doubt GW website did anywhere near 10k units in USA or UK in 10 minutes. I would say ask GW but even though they are a stock based company they are very shady about what they do.
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yukishiro1 wrote: I wouldn't put it past GW on a moral level to scalp its own releases, but there is zero chance they would be able to get away with it, and zero chance they are dumb enough to think they could and therefore to try it.
Doesn't mean it has to be GW the company, could always be someone who works high enough up to have a "friend" get so many units and make money on the side. If something looks shady it usually is. And odd ball scalpers who magically show up on the net listings things at double the price and having multiple units when vendors can only get so many units means someone higher up is doing something shady or turns an amazing blind eye to it.
For GW regulating the stuff it does, fake exchange rates, max discounts, etc... you really think they couldn't artificially inflate prices to sell stuff on the side through a "Satellite" business not affiliated directly with GW?. If something looks a certain way it is usually the way it looks, people have a tendency to try and make it something else believing that businesses have ethics when all the have is a profit margin at the end of the day.
angel of death 007 wrote: So legitimately how many units do you think GW made of this "limited edition release"?
I think it would shock me if it was actually over 10,000 units world wide. I don't understand the advertising something for a month to make it available in a limited format with only crickets left for those who were not able to get one of the limited box sets.
Really think someone needs to go back to math. Another part of me thinks that GW has its a box set as "limited release" to get the hype up... then sales 70 percent of the product made holding back 30 percent to sell on ebay through a fake vendor but is truly them after they intentionally inflated the price. Maybe it is GW doing the scalping or atleast someone who works for them as I don't see how all these "scalpers" seem to get so many units of a limited edition product unless they are a vendor or have connections with GW. Sounds about as shady as it probably is.
It is over 10k by a large magnitude, that number isn't even in the ballpark.
To sell out on their webpage in UK in 10 minutes and then in the USA in 10 minutes.... it sure as hell isn't 100k... I think 10k is a good estimate as they have probably promised many to real vendors and some to fake vendors. I doubt GW website did anywhere near 10k units in USA or UK in 10 minutes. I would say ask GW but even though they are a stock based company they are very shady about what they do.
You just have no sense of scale. it's well over 100k. 10k wouldn't even be enough to cover a major metroplex in the U.S. and I can tell you that 100% that just the stores locally had about 45 each allocated to them.
Not Online!!! wrote: Pft what do you think i did write the about 5 Mails over 8th for then?
Heck gw knows the demands is there considering how ia13 literally multiplied the player numbers.
Ok, that's great! Gak takes time to get done, don't stop repping your team.
Literally every factions player base wants their faction either expanded or brought into existence, that takes time especially for factions being built from scratch. But as others have also said, GW removing support for R&H at 9e launch could be a good indicator that there might be something soon.
It's also a blessing in disguise because if they also don't get Legends rules then it gives us an excuse to pester GW about how we're supposed to play with the sack wearing hooligans they sold us.
Not Online!!! wrote: However so far i got no answer in any regards what so ever and i explicitly asked them if there was an actual dex in the work.
Niet nada, so don't just assume i didn't voice my complaints.
Did you honestly expect an answer? GW is never going to tell anyone outside of the company anything about something they haven't already announced publicly unless there's an NDA.
Smaller companies can afford to do that just to build hype, but for big companies it's bad business because it will influence consumer purchasing habits in unpredictable ways.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
All it takes is thinking "is X product worth Y price to me?" It is people's own fault they get wrapped up in superficial bullcrap and let it affect their reasoning. Being able to logically evaluate it a rather critical life skill. Is it kind of crappy of a company to exploit that so many people refuse to develop that skill? Yeah. It is setting people up to fail at their reasoning? Yeah. But the failure is still on the consumer if they buy a product that was not worth the price to them.
No, the failure is on the company for using the dramatic power difference over the consumer. It's not consumer's fault that literally the entirety of society is set up in such a way as to refuse them the tools to make logical choices. There is no homo economicus, and people are not pure creatures of logic. It is easy to manipulate nearly anybody with the right tools, tools that companies invest millions in discovering and refining, all the while they ALSO lobby to have the ability to investigate their practices stripped from the consumer. And this doesn't do into how, in America, there is literally no education about consumption, and barely any about economics, leaving such things in the hands of families. Which, surprise surprise, advantages rich families with free time and generational wealth verse poor (and often minority) families.
The system's crooked and intended so that you cannot make a truly informed decision.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
This isn't strictly true.
Fair point, I did elaborate a bit further later on but that statement was more of a sentiment and I should have made such clear. End point is that GW would not produce so many SM if they weren't so popular.
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
Faced between GW enacting a controlled-availability plan to lure people into buying product they would not otherwise purchase, or just not always being right on their estimations of how much to produce, I find the latter more plausible. Especially given the complete lack of evidence for the former.
There's not any evidence for the latter either. It's all supposition. Either GW is enacting malicious practices, or they are dumb enough that their stupidity mirrors those practices. And, ultimately, the motivation is sort of immaterial to the result, which is the same.
The baseline assumption is incompetence. Say someone is running, then trips and falls. Someone else helps them up. One does not jump to 'they intentionally tripped in order to get that person to help them' as the first explanation without some evidence to justify it. Especially if the runner has tripped before. A lot.
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yukishiro1 wrote: I wouldn't put it past GW on a moral level to scalp its own releases, but there is zero chance they would be able to get away with it, and zero chance they are dumb enough to think they could and therefore to try it.
Doesn't mean it has to be GW the company, could always be someone who works high enough up to have a "friend" get so many units and make money on the side. If something looks shady it usually is. And odd ball scalpers who magically show up on the net listings things at double the price and having multiple units when vendors can only get so many units means someone higher up is doing something shady or turns an amazing blind eye to it.
For GW regulating the stuff it does, fake exchange rates, max discounts, etc... you really think they couldn't artificially inflate prices to sell stuff on the side through a "Satellite" business not affiliated directly with GW?. If something looks a certain way it is usually the way it looks, people have a tendency to try and make it something else believing that businesses have ethics when all the have is a profit margin at the end of the day.
angel of death 007 wrote: So legitimately how many units do you think GW made of this "limited edition release"?
I think it would shock me if it was actually over 10,000 units world wide. I don't understand the advertising something for a month to make it available in a limited format with only crickets left for those who were not able to get one of the limited box sets.
Really think someone needs to go back to math. Another part of me thinks that GW has its a box set as "limited release" to get the hype up... then sales 70 percent of the product made holding back 30 percent to sell on ebay through a fake vendor but is truly them after they intentionally inflated the price. Maybe it is GW doing the scalping or atleast someone who works for them as I don't see how all these "scalpers" seem to get so many units of a limited edition product unless they are a vendor or have connections with GW. Sounds about as shady as it probably is.
It is over 10k by a large magnitude, that number isn't even in the ballpark.
To sell out on their webpage in UK in 10 minutes and then in the USA in 10 minutes.... it sure as hell isn't 100k... I think 10k is a good estimate as they have probably promised many to real vendors and some to fake vendors. I doubt GW website did anywhere near 10k units in USA or UK in 10 minutes. I would say ask GW but even though they are a stock based company they are very shady about what they do.
You just have no sense of scale. it's well over 100k. 10k wouldn't even be enough to cover a major metroplex in the U.S. and I can tell you that 100% that just the stores locally had about 45 each allocated to them.
Not every store that sells GW products got 45 copies. Maybe some of the larger actual GW stores did. Our LGS was allotted 8 copies. A major online vendor I deal with was allotted 45. No one could do preorders until today though several could make lists for clients and VIPS.
How many locations or vendors got 45 copies was probably limited again there are not many actual GW stores and I doubt if even GW stores got a full 45 units depending on sales/ location. So there were X amount of the units assigned for vendors and GW had X amount of units they could sell online. For GW online sales through themselves they didn't have 10k units in USA or UK maybe 1000 for each location. Which is didn't go to vendors was just direct sales to consumers who purchased online. Most of their limited edition releases don't exceed 1000 units. Box sets are an exception though. Again it isn't 100k units. There is absolutely no way that is like Xbox unit numbers for a limited release. GW is probably around 10 or maybe 20k units.
angel of death 007 wrote: So legitimately how many units do you think GW made of this "limited edition release"?
I think it would shock me if it was actually over 10,000 units world wide. I don't understand the advertising something for a month to make it available in a limited format with only crickets left for those who were not able to get one of the limited box sets.
Really think someone needs to go back to math. Another part of me thinks that GW has its a box set as "limited release" to get the hype up... then sales 70 percent of the product made holding back 30 percent to sell on ebay through a fake vendor but is truly them after they intentionally inflated the price. Maybe it is GW doing the scalping or atleast someone who works for them as I don't see how all these "scalpers" seem to get so many units of a limited edition product unless they are a vendor or have connections with GW. Sounds about as shady as it probably is.
Some of you really have absolutely no idea about the numbers we are dealing with here. 10000? You must be joking. That Catachan special edition colonel that is harder to find than a virgin in a whorehouse? They had if I remember correctly reportedly 5k units made. You think that there are only double indomitus boxes around?
Scalpers only exist because we feed them... if you don’t buy the product they have to absorb the losses. Hell if the hobby community holds out long enough (never going to happen) you can make them absorb the shipping and. Handling costs as well and maybe even force them to sell at a discount. Don’t feed the scalpers. Besides it’s the starter box. It’s only limited edition as far as 9th is limited edition. If the demand is there they will print more.
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut
angel of death 007 wrote: Not every store that sells GW products got 45 copies. Maybe some of the larger actual GW stores did. Our LGS was allotted 8 copies. A major online vendor I deal with was allotted 45. No one could do preorders until today though several could make lists for clients and VIPS.
My local FLGS got 45 copies. He's outside of the main metropolitan area in what 20 years ago would have been a rural community (now it's big subdivisions and warehouses). He's only been in business for about three years and does no online sales.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
That strikes me as a scam. That is Australian Dollars, right? Indomitus is $290 in Australia. Either that person is on razor margins, or it's a scam. $145.55 is only £80 too.
Like I said if the hobby community could just organize itself and boycott scalpers. It would only take several releases to pull it off... It’s a very big if... they woulda done it by now if it was feasible but the possibility is always there.
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut
That strikes me as a scam. That is Australian Dollars, right? Indomitus is $290 in Australia. Either that person is on razor margins, or it's a scam. $145.55 is only £80 too.
It looks like he's charging $90 for shipping.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
yukishiro1 wrote: The whole point of advertising is to make sure people don't make informed purchasing decisions and instead are manipulated into making decisions more favorable to the seller. Companies spend about $500 billion a year on advertising, and at least half of that spend is aimed not at simply making the consumer aware the product exists, but on manipulating them into buying a product they are already aware of yet would not otherwise buy.
The point of view that says "if you don't have the willpower to resist that $250 billion of carefully engineered emotional manipulation you're just a failure as a human being" has always struck me as extremely curious. Humans vary a bit from person to person, but we have very well-defined limits overall that can be measured and averaged. Just as we can calculate the amount of force required to overcome the bone resistance of the average human arm, we can also calculate the amount of manipulation required to overcome or at least to seriously undermine the average person's logical facilities.
Nobody would say the failure is on you if your bones break because you should have had stronger bones and bigger muscles to shield those bones, yet many people will happily tell people who have been manipulated that it's their own fault for not having stronger willpower or more resist logical reasoning facilities. It's fascinatingly ironic, because it represents just the sort of logical failure that these very same people are attributing to others.
Hurray for no personal responsibility! The corporation made me do it!
Advertising exists to spread knowledge of a product so people know they can buy it.
If I set up a factory making widgets how do you figure I'll get customers to buy them?
$160 for those models and book is a stupid good deal - even by their standards. GW left a gakload of money on the table. So I guess you can be pissed for them not charging $300 instead.
angel of death 007 wrote: So legitimately how many units do you think GW made of this "limited edition release"?
I think it would shock me if it was actually over 10,000 units world wide. I don't understand the advertising something for a month to make it available in a limited format with only crickets left for those who were not able to get one of the limited box sets.
Really think someone needs to go back to math. Another part of me thinks that GW has its a box set as "limited release" to get the hype up... then sales 70 percent of the product made holding back 30 percent to sell on ebay through a fake vendor but is truly them after they intentionally inflated the price. Maybe it is GW doing the scalping or atleast someone who works for them as I don't see how all these "scalpers" seem to get so many units of a limited edition product unless they are a vendor or have connections with GW. Sounds about as shady as it probably is.
Some of you really have absolutely no idea about the numbers we are dealing with here. 10000? You must be joking. That Catachan special edition colonel that is harder to find than a virgin in a whorehouse? They had if I remember correctly reportedly 5k units made. You think that there are only double indomitus boxes around?
His estimates are absurd to the point that it's almost comedic. He just has no idea with the type of scale we are dealing with here, and it shows.
there was a vendor in Ebay who sold 48 Units for $349 each. Wonder how he got 48 units. Think GW didn't send them to them? think they have no affiliation or connection to GW.
Look at the facts. GW advertised the "Limited Edition" release for a month.
GW made limited amount of units.
GW unintentionally.... or maybe intentionally created a demand.
And so called "scalpers" made record profits..... yet GW makes record profits without ever disclosing details. Think that there is an connection between GW or someone at GW and "scalpers"... hmmmn.
It is the old only let so many people into a club so the line gets long outside the door and increase cover charge by the hour effect. Shady businesses stay in business and make record profits because they master shady techniques.
Ghaz wrote: It looks like he's charging $90 for shipping.
I have no idea what UK-Australia freight costs I suppose. It's possible that it isn't a scam, if they got it at a bulk discount and are shifting it. My scam detector would be all over that though, thinking it was stolen or something. No way would I touch that.
macluvin wrote: By that logic we should be pissed at smokers rather than the tobacco industry...
Also severly missed the fact that the gaming and entertainment industries hire psychologists quite heavily.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
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6000+ Order. Unity. Obedience.
Thousand Sons 4000+
