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 General Kroll wrote:
Having my first game of ninth today, just a small combat patrol using PL.

Good luck, I highly recommend writing up a cheat sheet of the big rules changes to help you stay on top of things. It feels like 8th ed, but with lots of little changes that are easy to miss.

I also recommend printing out the terrain rules and secondary objectives for quick access.
Those are the ones I need to reference most in my 9th edition games.

 Jidmah wrote:
It always has worked this way. The big gain from the tree was being able to advance and charge or fall back and shoot.

The coherency changes will make conga-lining back to the tree while advancing up the board much harder if not downright impossible.

I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Aaaaaaand now I’m imaging a Titan roundhouse kicking a building.

 AduroT wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Aaaaaaand now I’m imaging a Titan roundhouse kicking a building.

Running two footed kick through the window.

IanVanCheese wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Aaaaaaand now I’m imaging a Titan roundhouse kicking a building.

Running two footed kick through the window.

Never forget, this is what titan fights are about

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Well we knew from initial announcement that would happen one way or another.

Stompa can do it for like 15"...too bad so junk irrelevant

IanVanCheese wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
Having my first game of ninth today, just a small combat patrol using PL.

Good luck, I highly recommend writing up a cheat sheet of the big rules changes to help you stay on top of things. It feels like 8th ed, but with lots of little changes that are easy to miss.

Thanks, that’s a great idea.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Don't models with bases measure the 5" from the base? So it's only unbased models that get to jump at buildings.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Don't models with bases measure the 5" from the base? So it's only unbased models that get to jump at buildings.

IIRC GW standard ruins have the first floor at 3" and the second floor at 6". So a based model can easily swing at models on the ground and first floor, but not the second floor. So the weird choice of 5" kind of makes sense.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Don't models with bases measure the 5" from the base? So it's only unbased models that get to jump at buildings.

IIRC GW standard ruins have the first floor at 3" and the second floor at 6". So a based model can easily swing at models on the ground and first floor, but not the second floor. So the weird choice of 5" kind of makes sense.

I also had forgotten that there may be some confusion on what the second floor is between the US/UK sections of the community.

It's 5" now because each level on the Sector Imperialis/Mechanicus terrain is 5". It used to be 3" per level with the old Cities of Death stuff.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Don't models with bases measure the 5" from the base? So it's only unbased models that get to jump at buildings.

IIRC GW standard ruins have the first floor at 3" and the second floor at 6". So a based model can easily swing at models on the ground and first floor, but not the second floor. So the weird choice of 5" kind of makes sense.

Yeah, random note: In ‘Merica the ground floor is also the first floor.

I didn't realize that ground floor and first floor weren't the same to Brits. My apologies. You learn something new everyday.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I didn't realize that ground floor and first floor weren't the same to Brits. My apologies. You learn something new everyday.

not just the bits.
In the german language region aswell.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Don't models with bases measure the 5" from the base? So it's only unbased models that get to jump at buildings.

Yeah. And GW ruins are 3"(old) and 5"(new) so stuff on 2nd floor are at best 5" from you. Ergo can strike there.

Bonebreaka's are fun. They are no base and are tall(they even have turret option for extra height with periscope. Straight in assembly guide!) so easily cover even taller than usual buildings. Drive it backside into ruin so the turret is closest to ruin and the deathroll(on front...) splats stuff quite high

 AduroT wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but with Engagement Range including a 5" vertical, Chaos/Imperial Knights can now kick Infantry hanging out on the second (and possibly third) floor of buildings.

Don't models with bases measure the 5" from the base? So it's only unbased models that get to jump at buildings.

IIRC GW standard ruins have the first floor at 3" and the second floor at 6". So a based model can easily swing at models on the ground and first floor, but not the second floor. So the weird choice of 5" kind of makes sense.

Yeah, random note: In ‘Merica the ground floor is also the first floor.

Yeah there seems to be no real standardisation either. I've also seen in the UK/Ireland-sphere some buildings that are zero-indexed, with 0 being street level.

Good call on the Sector Imperialis terrain. I wonder how close to 5" it is.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I didn't realize that ground floor and first floor weren't the same to Brits. My apologies. You learn something new everyday.

Serious question as it's been a while since i was in the states do your lifts go
5
4
3
2
1
Basement or what?

Our's go
4
3
2
1
Ground
Basement

Ice_can wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I didn't realize that ground floor and first floor weren't the same to Brits. My apologies. You learn something new everyday.

Serious question as it's been a while since i was in the states do your lifts go
5
4
3
2
1
Basement or what?

Our's go
4
3
2
1
Ground
Basement

As far as I know, US buildings are one-indexed, so street level is 1, the one above is 2, the one below is B-1. Whereas in the UK they are (technically, I suppose) Zero-indexed, where street level is 0 or Ground, the one above is 1, the one below is B-1 or just -1.

 Ordana wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
It always has worked this way. The big gain from the tree was being able to advance and charge or fall back and shoot.

The coherency changes will make conga-lining back to the tree while advancing up the board much harder if not downright impossible.

Nurgle tree doesn't care about where you are after advancing

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I didn't realize that ground floor and first floor weren't the same to Brits. My apologies. You learn something new everyday.

Serious question as it's been a while since i was in the states do your lifts go
5
4
3
2
1
Basement or what?

Our's go
4
3
2
1
Ground
Basement

As far as I know, US buildings are one-indexed, so street level is 1, the one above is 2, the one below is B-1. Whereas in the UK they are (technically, I suppose) Zero-indexed, where street level is 0 or Ground, the one above is 1, the one below is B-1 or just -1.

You don’t typically see the basement levels get numbered unless there is more than one.
G and 1 are often just interchangeable. Some places might have a G, others a 1.
Occasionally you’ll get buildings built into hills, where the ground floor isn’t the same floor in all parts of the building, but their numbers won’t change.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's 5" now because each level on the Sector Imperialis/Mechanicus terrain is 5". It used to be 3" per level with the old Cities of Death stuff.

It works fine in-game though, as those 5" won't reach the (non-american) second floor. In general ruins feel "good" when playing, not like some abstract gamey thing is a necessary evil that was created to reduce shooting.


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tneva82 wrote:
Bonebreaka's are fun. They are no base and are tall(they even have turret option for extra height with periscope. Straight in assembly guide!) so easily cover even taller than usual buildings. Drive it backside into ruin so the turret is closest to ruin and the deathroll(on front...) splats stuff quite high

Bonus: Buy two big shootas, pick the ork gunners in the rear, poke the gun barrel through a window and measure from there.
Since you are now officially allowed to turn turrets while moving, you can do the same by turning the killkannon (regular kannon isn't long enough) to gain extra range on your deff rolla.

 AduroT wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I didn't realize that ground floor and first floor weren't the same to Brits. My apologies. You learn something new everyday.

Serious question as it's been a while since i was in the states do your lifts go
5
4
3
2
1
Basement or what?

Our's go
4
3
2
1
Ground
Basement

As far as I know, US buildings are one-indexed, so street level is 1, the one above is 2, the one below is B-1. Whereas in the UK they are (technically, I suppose) Zero-indexed, where street level is 0 or Ground, the one above is 1, the one below is B-1 or just -1.

You don’t typically see the basement levels get numbered unless there is more than one.
G and 1 are often just interchangeable. Some places might have a G, others a 1.
Occasionally you’ll get buildings built into hills, where the ground floor isn’t the same floor in all parts of the building, but their numbers won’t change.

My experience is in the US (and many other counties) the street level is 1, or a letter, and other numbers assume the street level is 1 , so going up one level would be 2 whatever the street level is named: 1, G (ground) or L(lobby) are most common. LG (lower ground) is often used when a building is built on a slope for the "other" ground floor. Basement levels are usually named B if there is only one and numbered if there are more than one basement level (B-1, B-2 etc or -1, -2 etc)

In the UK and many Commonwealth countries the numbers have the street level numbered zero so going up one level is the first floor. All the other naming conventions seem to apply eqyually, just with the numbers one step out for above ground levels.


TLDR a duplex in the UK has two floors: 0 and 1. The same building in the US would name those two floors 1 and 2.

In Germany, ground floors are usually indicated with an E for Erdgeschoss = Ground Floor.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stompa OP. Pls nerf!

And buy one at the checkout, regardless of what you are actually purchasing!

Atleast it still has rules.

yeah and what RULES!!! its the only vehicle i know that has FOUR brackets and starts getting worse after 9 wounds have been plinged off... despite him having a total of 40 wounds
yeah totally worth 250 more points than a castellan

but yes, the award for most usless unit in the entire game goes to the mek workshop as for just 85 points, it makes your units worse!


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 Jidmah wrote:
In Germany, ground floors are usually indicated with an E for Erdgeschoss = Ground Floor.

C'mon... its EG

RedNoak wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stompa OP. Pls nerf!

And buy one at the checkout, regardless of what you are actually purchasing!

Atleast it still has rules.

yeah and what RULES!!! its the only vehicle i know that has FOUR brackets and starts getting worse after 9 wounds have been plinged off... despite him having a total of 40 wounds
yeah totally worth 250 more points than a castellan

but yes, the award for most usless unit in the entire game goes to the mek workshop as for just 85 points, it makes your units worse!


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 Jidmah wrote:
In Germany, ground floors are usually indicated with an E for Erdgeschoss = Ground Floor.

C'mon... its EG

Well, yeah, and as orkz were my first army, i feel for the boyz wanting to field the big bad stompa to stomp some marines, but atleast the thing can still improve... (when gw decides to wake up the drunk intern up that writes these rules)
Meanwhile we just have gotten 2 new squatted armies.

Also yes, EG, if there is just E even my swiss german german would be wierded out.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I didn't realize that ground floor and first floor weren't the same to Brits. My apologies. You learn something new everyday.

Serious question as it's been a while since i was in the states do your lifts go
5
4
3
2
1
Basement or what?

Our's go
4
3
2
1
Ground
Basement

As far as I know, US buildings are one-indexed, so street level is 1, the one above is 2, the one below is B-1. Whereas in the UK they are (technically, I suppose) Zero-indexed, where street level is 0 or Ground, the one above is 1, the one below is B-1 or just -1.

We also refer to the first floor as the ground floor. Anything below that is considered a basement floor.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also yes, EG, if there is just E even my swiss german german would be wierded out.

I have seen both here. E or EG (same for U and UG) but also 0. Mostly in shopping malls when there is more than one basement level. In that case the numbers for the basements simply become negative.

Is it possible that this floor-counting-thingy is a wholly european topic? We now have confirmed that UK, Germany and Switzerland do it the same way (and i bet Austria also). Would be strange to see some nations of the European Union get lost in the elevators of the European Parliament in Brussels

ERJAK wrote:
We also refer to the first floor as the ground floor. Anything below that is considered a basement floor.

Yeah, the "first floor" could be labels as 1, G (for ground floor) or sometimes as L (for Lobby, as in some hotels) or even just marker with an asterisk or a star plus a letter or number, showing that is where the reception or lobby is.