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 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I personally think the large destroyer we see with the gun is the new heavy destroyer, so fingers crossed for multi kit.

I also think that its possible that that's not a heavy gauss cannon, what're the odds that they've given them new gauss weapons? We have a model for the heavy gauss cannon and normal gauss cannon on the triarch stalker and annihilation barge respectively, perhaps they decided to make them unique and give them crazier weapons, because it looks like a much larger version of the gauss weapon on the Skorpekh Lord, and it cant be the new gauss aesthetic because the large walker has normal flayers as does the new warriors and new monolith in the back ground.

Just spitballing here but I think theyre going to get multiple weapons options

I'm hoping that's a multi-part kit as well. It is also very possible that that weapon is a multi-fire mode one and there is only one destroyer, which may sadly be more likely. I'd hate this, because then you are paying for both modes when you often just want to pay for the Destroyer mode.

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with the current HGC on Heavy Destroyer aesthetic, its just that assembly is a pain in the arse because of the plastic tubes and because its made out of thin metal.

What's interesting is that the big gun on the new Destroyer looks a lot like the HGC mounted on the Triarch Stalker, so it could be that its a modern take on the Heavy Destroyer's HGC to make it more consistent with the 5th ed introduced range.
Or it could be a new weapon entirely, that just looks like a HGC because it has a similar role or something.


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 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I personally think the large destroyer we see with the gun is the new heavy destroyer, so fingers crossed for multi kit.

I also think that its possible that that's not a heavy gauss cannon, what're the odds that they've given them new gauss weapons? We have a model for the heavy gauss cannon and normal gauss cannon on the triarch stalker and annihilation barge respectively, perhaps they decided to make them unique and give them crazier weapons, because it looks like a much larger version of the gauss weapon on the Skorpekh Lord, and it cant be the new gauss aesthetic because the large walker has normal flayers as does the new warriors and new monolith in the back ground.

Just spitballing here but I think theyre going to get multiple weapons options

I'm hoping that's a multi-part kit as well. It is also very possible that that weapon is a multi-fire mode one and there is only one destroyer, which may sadly be more likely. I'd hate this, because then you are paying for both modes when you often just want to pay for the Destroyer mode.

It probably would be a select fire weapon.
Right now Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers are in an odd place army design wise, as HD tend to under perform compared to Destroyers. Its why they had to give Heavies point reductions, so they aren't that terrible as a choice compared to destroyers.
Making them effectively the same unit with a weapon that can switch between rapid fire and single shot would streamline balancing and army design, as then you'd only have to worry about balancing one unit as opposed to balancing two units against each other.

I don't really mind select-fire weapons, as long as they make each fire mode useful against its respective preferred target type.

 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I personally think the large destroyer we see with the gun is the new heavy destroyer, so fingers crossed for multi kit.

I also think that its possible that that's not a heavy gauss cannon, what're the odds that they've given them new gauss weapons? We have a model for the heavy gauss cannon and normal gauss cannon on the triarch stalker and annihilation barge respectively, perhaps they decided to make them unique and give them crazier weapons, because it looks like a much larger version of the gauss weapon on the Skorpekh Lord, and it cant be the new gauss aesthetic because the large walker has normal flayers as does the new warriors and new monolith in the back ground.

Just spitballing here but I think theyre going to get multiple weapons options

I'm hoping that's a multi-part kit as well. It is also very possible that that weapon is a multi-fire mode one and there is only one destroyer, which may sadly be more likely. I'd hate this, because then you are paying for both modes when you often just want to pay for the Destroyer mode.

Very true, hopefully this wont be the case, unless we get both destroyers and each gets different modes? If it is a multipart kit it would be easy to do, just different heads, arms, and weapons right? It might also be that the D-Lord will get his own kit as characters tend to be more ornate

I was reading through various necron Lore and realised something, the new war of the worlds walkers's head cannon resembles a gauss exterminator.
I doubt well get anything that strong, but they are very similar looking so here's hoping that we do as it would help a lot when dealing with vehicles

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Gauss_Exterminator

 Aza'Gorod wrote:
I was reading through various necron Lore and realised something, the new war of the worlds walkers's head cannon resembles a gauss exterminator.
I doubt well get anything that strong, but they are very similar looking so here's hoping that we do as it would help a lot when dealing with vehicles

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Gauss_Exterminator

I think you're on to something, I've got my DDA in front of me and looking at the two it has more similarity to the exterminator than the Doomsday cannon.

Which given that the DDCannon cant move and fire at full, the Exterminator would be a much better option. Maybe given that its a gun platform it can move and fire without penalty?

Well a man can dream

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Aza'Gorod wrote:
I was reading through various necron Lore and realised something, the new war of the worlds walkers's head cannon resembles a gauss exterminator.
I doubt well get anything that strong, but they are very similar looking so here's hoping that we do as it would help a lot when dealing with vehicles

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Gauss_Exterminator

I think you're on to something, I've got my DDA in front of me and looking at the two it has more similarity to the exterminator than the Doomsday cannon.

Which given that the DDCannon cant move and fire at full, the Exterminator would be a much better option. Maybe given that its a gun platform it can move and fire without penalty?

Well a man can dream

Do androids dream of electric sheep? No they dream of weapons to eradicate their enemies.

Hopefully when they give us our next little teaser for necrons it'll be some of the weapons

Also if you look at that bad ass destroyer in the teaser.. that aesthetic wants to be a weapon that does more damaged than a puny guardsman's lascannon. One can hope.

One can only hope, the 2 models that hold my interest are that wierd gremlin thing behind the monolith and the Lord or such with the Cause Blaster.

Also just noticed an added behind the golf ball on the monolith, maybe it'll have a lesser Canoptek construct like the one that hovers over the Transcendant Ctan in TVault

 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I personally think the large destroyer we see with the gun is the new heavy destroyer, so fingers crossed for multi kit.

I also think that its possible that that's not a heavy gauss cannon, what're the odds that they've given them new gauss weapons? We have a model for the heavy gauss cannon and normal gauss cannon on the triarch stalker and annihilation barge respectively, perhaps they decided to make them unique and give them crazier weapons, because it looks like a much larger version of the gauss weapon on the Skorpekh Lord, and it cant be the new gauss aesthetic because the large walker has normal flayers as does the new warriors and new monolith in the back ground.

Just spitballing here but I think theyre going to get multiple weapons options

I'm hoping that's a multi-part kit as well. It is also very possible that that weapon is a multi-fire mode one and there is only one destroyer, which may sadly be more likely. I'd hate this, because then you are paying for both modes when you often just want to pay for the Destroyer mode.

The unique looks makes me think its a character with a unique gauss weapon. Nothing is going to stop GW from making the old Destroyer Lord a legends choice. Given the skorpekh lord is definitely a choppy guy it feels weird to have another destroy lord that also choppy but probably less choppy. Destroyer lords don't mesh well with drstroyers of either brand so I'm hoping its a buffing destroyer lord with a loadout that would actually help.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I personally think the large destroyer we see with the gun is the new heavy destroyer, so fingers crossed for multi kit.

I also think that its possible that that's not a heavy gauss cannon, what're the odds that they've given them new gauss weapons? We have a model for the heavy gauss cannon and normal gauss cannon on the triarch stalker and annihilation barge respectively, perhaps they decided to make them unique and give them crazier weapons, because it looks like a much larger version of the gauss weapon on the Skorpekh Lord, and it cant be the new gauss aesthetic because the large walker has normal flayers as does the new warriors and new monolith in the back ground.

Just spitballing here but I think theyre going to get multiple weapons options

I'm hoping that's a multi-part kit as well. It is also very possible that that weapon is a multi-fire mode one and there is only one destroyer, which may sadly be more likely. I'd hate this, because then you are paying for both modes when you often just want to pay for the Destroyer mode.

The unique looks makes me think its a character with a unique gauss weapon. Nothing is going to stop GW from making the old Destroyer Lord a legends choice. Given the skorpekh lord is definitely a choppy guy it feels weird to have another destroy lord that also choppy but probably less choppy. Destroyer lords don't mesh well with drstroyers of either brand so I'm hoping its a buffing destroyer lord with a loadout that would actually help.

I don't think so, it doesn't really shouts character to me. 3 of the new (speculated, Skorpekh Lord, Immortal looking from Starter Set, Lord from Starter set) characters all seem to have that ornate color going on. Nothing about the way the current model is built out makes it look like a character to me. It could be a multi part heavy destroyer/destroyer/destroyer lord kit, but I don't think that's likely.

Maybe the immortal looking character is a Vargard and the new Overlord looking one is a Nemesor? If i recall correctly Vargard's are lower ranked Lords and Nemesors are higher ranked Overlords, the organisational tree in the Necron codex makes it seem that way. The models also suit that description in my opinion.

And I agree that that destroyer doesnt look like a character to me either, honestly feels like it was put in the picture to say "hey new destroyers!"

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Maybe the immortal looking character is a Vargard and the new Overlord looking one is a Nemesor? If i recall correctly Vargard's are lower ranked Lords and Nemesors are higher ranked Overlords, the organisational tree in the Necron codex makes it seem that way. The models also suit that description in my opinion.

And I agree that that destroyer doesnt look like a character to me either, honestly feels like it was put in the picture to say "hey new destroyers!"

There are Vargard Overlords as well, as Vargard is more of a "first champion" role. The Vargard acts as the head bodyguard for the Overlord in question.
Nemesor on the other hand is akin to military commander or general, for a given army or campaign.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
With the new big boi tri legs being a skorpekh destroyer lord I wonder if that new big boi destroyer isn't the new destroyer lord and has been upgraded for shooting rather than punching.

Could be, yes. But that would be a problem for everyone who has the old Destroyer Lord, which is kitted for melee :/

Hopefully they fix the goddamn aura they have because what the feth were they thinking when they made it?

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I personally think the large destroyer we see with the gun is the new heavy destroyer, so fingers crossed for multi kit.

I also think that its possible that that's not a heavy gauss cannon, what're the odds that they've given them new gauss weapons? We have a model for the heavy gauss cannon and normal gauss cannon on the triarch stalker and annihilation barge respectively, perhaps they decided to make them unique and give them crazier weapons, because it looks like a much larger version of the gauss weapon on the Skorpekh Lord, and it cant be the new gauss aesthetic because the large walker has normal flayers as does the new warriors and new monolith in the back ground.

Just spitballing here but I think theyre going to get multiple weapons options

I'm hoping that's a multi-part kit as well. It is also very possible that that weapon is a multi-fire mode one and there is only one destroyer, which may sadly be more likely. I'd hate this, because then you are paying for both modes when you often just want to pay for the Destroyer mode.

The unique looks makes me think its a character with a unique gauss weapon. Nothing is going to stop GW from making the old Destroyer Lord a legends choice. Given the skorpekh lord is definitely a choppy guy it feels weird to have another destroy lord that also choppy but probably less choppy. Destroyer lords don't mesh well with drstroyers of either brand so I'm hoping its a buffing destroyer lord with a loadout that would actually help.

Well the destroyer lord kit has a green rod right so they must be overhauling destroyer lords as well to get rid of this so we could be seeing some new interesting loadouts hopefully

 Aenar wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Maybe the immortal looking character is a Vargard and the new Overlord looking one is a Nemesor? If i recall correctly Vargard's are lower ranked Lords and Nemesors are higher ranked Overlords, the organisational tree in the Necron codex makes it seem that way. The models also suit that description in my opinion.

And I agree that that destroyer doesnt look like a character to me either, honestly feels like it was put in the picture to say "hey new destroyers!"

There are Vargard Overlords as well, as Vargard is more of a "first champion" role. The Vargard acts as the head bodyguard for the Overlord in question.
Nemesor on the other hand is akin to military commander or general, for a given army or campaign.

Gotcha, so it's probably just new sculpts then. Interesting choice to give a character a Gauss blaster though

Something else I noticed on the overlord looking one, his right arm looks suspiciously like a gauntlet of fire, maybe we're getting some of our wargear back?

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Aenar wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Maybe the immortal looking character is a Vargard and the new Overlord looking one is a Nemesor? If i recall correctly Vargard's are lower ranked Lords and Nemesors are higher ranked Overlords, the organisational tree in the Necron codex makes it seem that way. The models also suit that description in my opinion.

And I agree that that destroyer doesnt look like a character to me either, honestly feels like it was put in the picture to say "hey new destroyers!"

There are Vargard Overlords as well, as Vargard is more of a "first champion" role. The Vargard acts as the head bodyguard for the Overlord in question.
Nemesor on the other hand is akin to military commander or general, for a given army or campaign.

Gotcha, so it's probably just new sculpts then. Interesting choice to give a character a Gauss blaster though

Something else I noticed on the overlord looking one, his right arm looks suspiciously like a gauntlet of fire, maybe we're getting some of our wargear back?

This hypothesis is a bit of a stretch; in the last PA short story, there is the Technomandrite, Athmandyus the Infinite Doorway (dope named btw). The Technomandrites were the sect of Crypteks that specialized in creating and maintaining the Necrontyr's weapons and equipment. Pair that bit of info with Szeras getting a phat commission job from the Silent King, could elude to some new shiny wargear for us.

If the new Cryptek thing is in fact a technomandrite maybe he'll be similar to the Tech Priest Manipulus as far as support abilities? Crypteks to buff defence and the mandrite for offence?

Storm of Metal
All across the Imperium, primary holdings-from mining colonies to Knight worlds to forge worlds--find themselves under attack from Necrons. The influx of Chaos energies has triggered anti-warp protocols in every Necron tomb world, and things that have lain dormant for aeons stir once more. The infamous Technomandrites, struck down by the Silent King, return. Panic rises amongst the Tech-Priests, for they are already besieged from without, and the Necron threat is coming from within.

I was kind of getting the impression that Technomandrites are more akin to the Techpriest Dominii, with different disciplines and they would be introduced as something 'above' the Crypteks.

Ye Olde Cryptek Harbingers, for those who remember the 5th edition codex

Maybe we'll see a return of Conclaves? They could very well do it like the chaplain or worst case like adaptive physiology

 IHateNids wrote:
Ye Olde Cryptek Harbingers, for those who remember the 5th edition codex

I would be so happy if something akin to that returns.

 Sasori wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
Ye Olde Cryptek Harbingers, for those who remember the 5th edition codex

I would be so happy if something akin to that returns.

Realistically, they would be as close to Psykers as the Necrons should be deploying (aside from the C'tan and anti-psyker Pariahs). A Techno-psyker, if you will. New codices provide great opportunities for such revisions to be made. The best part being, if GW doesn't have new Cryptek models ready, they don't really require any new bits or models. Of course, that is often considered a BAD thing for GW, too.

I definitely want to see proper Crypteks back. Technoarcana FTW!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/01/rise-of-the-skorpekh-destroyer/

So some info on the Skorpekhs, confirms that we'll still have normal destroyers at least

Not too impressed with the weapon unless they're S6, but a decent anti heavy infantry unit at the least

Considering how destroyers are S4 and it gives +2 to strength, it probably will be S6.
Decent weapon, basically a better warscythe...which annoys the hell out of me because the Warscythe is reknowned necron weapon and it deserves some respect.

Also Reap-Blade is a terrible name. Doesn't roll off the tongue at all.

I guess they will be S4 base with 2 or 3 attacks. The other weapons will be weaker, like S+1 AP-2 D1, but allow more hit rolls, something like two hit rolls for every attack.

Would expect S5 base at the most, which still allows them to wound all but the heaviest vehicles and toughest monsters on 4s. Looks like they're going to be fast too, so I'd expect M10 at least, to give them the same speed as Destroyers but slightly less mobility due to lack of Fly. Could be M12 but that seems a bit extreme.

I'd imagine the double blades to be D2 AP-2 or -3 and maybe an extra attack with no Strength bonus. The problem I've always had with units that have multiple weapon options that are very similar is GW rarely does the very basic maths required and leaves one as just outright better than the other.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Considering how destroyers are S4 and it gives +2 to strength, it probably will be S6.
Decent weapon, basically a better warscythe...which annoys the hell out of me because the Warscythe is reknowned necron weapon and it deserves some respect.

Also Reap-Blade is a terrible name. Doesn't roll off the tongue at all.

Yes, Reap-Blad is dumb indeed. Hopefully the Warscythe gets an overhaul too. It's just bad in the current meta and not helped by our characters being limited to A3 at the most.

Curious if that'll work out to S6 or S7 (basically if the model is S4 like current destroyers, or gets a S bump for being a melee-focused unit), and what the smaller blades do.

Also where it gets stuck in the FOC. Fast Attack already has a preponderance of good options, it might feel more redundant there.

I'm going to guess they are going to be baseline S5. A lot of the more elite Necon units are.

Makes the blade really good for chopping up everything but T8.

If they are M10, that'd be great. Necrons don't really have anything that is hard hitting and can get into close combat fast.

I can see Warscythes going back to ignoring Armour and Invulnerable saves.

Stupid name aside, I can see these being pretty terrifying in a unit, provided the unit has the speed and resilience to get half a chance to use them. That will likely depend upon the new terrain rules too.


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Also hoping that if there are different weapon systems, and not just sculpts, that we’re not tied to one of each by box default.