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It can either be a pre-game thing, that would make you call a game off, or a mid-game thing, where you'd swear to not play them again.

If I was bringing a for-fun list and they were trying to play their ITC power list.

Incomplete/unbuilt miniatures

Putting down a bunch of bases or just the legs on bases and saying "This is my Tactical Squad!" is a no no.

auticus wrote:If I was bringing a for-fun list and they were trying to play their ITC power list.

I'm assuming that'd be only if you had told them it was meant to be a casual game, and not just in general.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Incomplete/unbuilt miniatures

Putting down a bunch of bases or just the legs on bases and saying "This is my Tactical Squad!" is a no no.

Yeah, I getcha.

Back in 7th, it was triple Riptide or Wraithknight lists. Or worse, triple Forge World Riptide lists

Getting rules frequently wrong. There is a player in my area who i've essentially silently black listed from future games, just by the sheer volume of bad information they have. They aren't even a cheater i'd say, just so inherently bad at the game after over two years of playing that the experience is like pulling teeth.

I don't know. I've been playing for over 20 years and I've yet to refuse a game. What's the worse thing that happens if you play someone on a Saturday afternoon at the FLGS?

There is somebody that I don't play any more, sadly one of the few people who ever get around to actually playing at my nearest game store.
1) Exploit lists. If this player is at the table it's with some kind of gimmick that is aimed at making the game unplayable as an opponent, even against first time players. If it's known to be the most broken thing, that's what he has this week and I'm not about buying counter meta models.

2) Delays. Yeah I'll play you (even at events) after some pizza, and a few convos and yeah ok you keep rolling imma go get a soda.

3) Rules gone wrong. Well here we play it this way, right guys (cronies chime in, yeah). Even when the book clearly says otherwise.

 JNAProductions wrote:
It can either be a pre-game thing, that would make you call a game off, or a mid-game thing, where you'd swear to not play them again.

These weren't "swear to not play them again" situations, but I have straight up turned down games against armor-skew lists before. In 5th, I'd just politely decline offers to play against parking lots because I didn't feel like taking triple fire dragons to have a hope of cracking all those tanks. I think conceded pre-game against a knight player at a tournament in 7th once because I didn't have nearly enough anti-tank to threaten it and I didn't feel like going through the motions of unpacking and repacking my army over the course of 2 hours.

But those were more a matter of refusing to play lists rather than people.

Wyldhunt wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
It can either be a pre-game thing, that would make you call a game off, or a mid-game thing, where you'd swear to not play them again.

These weren't "swear to not play them again" situations, but I have straight up turned down games against armor-skew lists before. In 5th, I'd just politely decline offers to play against parking lots because I didn't feel like taking triple fire dragons to have a hope of cracking all those tanks. I think conceded pre-game against a knight player at a tournament in 7th once because I didn't have nearly enough anti-tank to threaten it and I didn't feel like going through the motions of unpacking and repacking my army over the course of 2 hours.

But those were more a matter of refusing to play lists rather than people.

Yeah. Can't blame you for not wanting to play an unfun game.

For me it’s a more abstract thing: simply not understanding that a game, even in a tournament, is meant to be a pleasant pastime. I don’t mind playing great players or exploit lists, but I can’t stand guys that are trying to game every conceivable advantage. It’s seldom the big names that do this, but the local big fish try hards.

I’m not overly keen on rules lawyers either. I interpret rules for a living, I’m not impressed by attempts to argue nonsensical outcomes based on some strained reading of the rules.

It's almost entirely about bad communication for me. I don't mind people playing their power lists so long as they're up-front about what they're doing, but when someone tries to re-interpret a rule in the middle of a game or tries to walk back actions based on something they say they intended and didn't communicate or something like that I stop finding the experience fun.

Known for cheating
Being someone I already know I don't enjoy gaming with for whatever reason
Extensive proxies/non-WYSIWYG stuff concerning your special/heavy/vehicle weapons.
Being "That Guy" who thinks it's reasonable to shoot via areal tips etc.
Expecting me to adhere to tourney rules/suggestions outside of tourneys.

1. past personal experience.

I know of a player who is generally not welcome at our FLGS group who has a history of cheating going all the way back to 4th ed as well as being an antagonistic person to game with. i will never willingly play a game with him involved.

2. List tailoring or otherwise obvious abusive power gaming.

Example-in 7th ed if you dropped a terminator deathstar on the table in a casual game i would just concede, pick up my stuff, and find somebody else to play games with.

For most games, I only refuse if I know the person is a jerk from previous experience. And I avoid known cheaters.

However, when it comes to 40K, I prefer to play with a very small group of well-known folks (my brother, my sons and a handful of vetted mutual friends). I've had too many bad experiences from a local club who hangs out at the FLGS. I also will not play someone at a convention or in a tourney game.

Eh I've got no problem with power gaming as there is nothing stopping me doing it too. I'd prefer to play against a fluffy army than a cheesy one but I'll do it.

Extensive proxying. I won't be too stickler for cool proxies. This M1Abrams is a Leman Russ? Cool. That bottle is not a Carnifex though. I'm also not too much of a stickler for complete or even painted models. I can accept a stack of legs as the latest and greatest unit, especially if they are painting before construction, but not a whole army of incompleteness.

But I'm willing to play against someone who's enthusiastic. That'll make me forgive a lot. Wrongly read rules, misunderstading how things gel, mis understanding the spirit of the game is all part and parcel of learning.

My 100% decider on blacklisting is hygiene. Sure we can't all smell like roses all the time but FFS. Even if you've just got to hit yourself with some Axe and have some chewing gum before the game you don't have to be a stereotype.

Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

 Stormonu wrote:
For most games, I only refuse if I know the person is a jerk from previous experience. And I avoid known cheaters.

However, when it comes to 40K, I prefer to play with a very small group of well-known folks (my brother, my sons and a handful of vetted mutual friends). I've had too many bad experiences from a local club who hangs out at the FLGS. I also will not play someone at a convention or in a tourney game.

Same. In previous editions of 40k, you could relatively comfortably get a game with a stranger. Even if it was a "hard" list, you generally had a good idea of what they were capable of and what to look out for. Nowadays, 40k has fallen too much into the ol' "Muhahaha! You've activated my trap card!" type of game where you can have literally no idea what you are going up against, even with two otherwise identical armies.

My time is finite, I have no shame in saying I will only play friends or vet someone before even considering to play them. I have no time for people who simply want to stroke their own fragile egos with the latest netlist that their favourite waifu tourney winner just used when I can play amongst friends.

The only time I refuse to play someone, is if it is a person I do not like.

Other than that, have at it. I never take the game that seriously, if someone has proxies or ork armies with lots of non-gw models. Doesn't bug me in the slightest.

Bad odor, bad manners, cheaters and ITC power lists (especially those non-interactive lists that hide the entire group inside the ground level of a ruin)

They play Space Marines.

feth that book(s)

some of you lot sound great fun to play against. I think only filthy hygiene and manners would put me off. for so called casual players some of you sure do not like losing

 Bosskelot wrote:
They play Space Marines.

feth that book(s)

given how common marine armies are you must not get many games.

Referencing 4chan memes and buzzwords.

Dai wrote:
Referencing 4chan memes and buzzwords.

What about 1d4chan memes and buzzwords?

Elfric wrote:some of you lot sound great fun to play against. I think only filthy hygiene and manners would put me off. for so called casual players some of you sure do not like losing

It's not about losing - it's about enjoying the game. I'd be pretty liberal with my "not playing you again"-hammer, but luckily, everyone I've played recently has been an exceptionally good *person* first and foremost. The winning and losing doesn't factor in on if they're a pleasant person to play against - I'm honestly willing to overlook hygiene if they're a genuinely pleasant and charming person.

So, not cheating, playing to enjoy the game, friendly - those are my baseline requirements.

I don't play with portuguese people.


Ok now being serious, loud people is the worst. When you are playing in a tournament and you ear more that guy playing 3 tables away from you than your own mind, is horrible, if hes playing agaisnt you? I can't bear that, I end up with a horrible headache.

I'd refuse playing if one (or more) of the following scenarios is applied:

1) I personally dislike the guy.

2) I've brought SW and the opponent has an imperium army (I don't play imperium vs imperium, it's not a matter of game balance)

3) The opponent insists in using proxies that aren't compatible with the original models in size/dimensions or cool conversions, but just something like cans and bottles instead of tanks or the old ghaz instead of the new one. .

4) The opponent insists on playing with house rules I'm not familiar with.

5) I've already played a game, it's late and I don't have time to play a second time.

 Blackie wrote:
... or the old ghaz instead of the new one.

Hold up. You'd refuse to play someone using this:


That seems a bit extreme. I mean if they're trying to use this guy as Ghaz, sure, but the last version is a no-go for you?

Would you deny a game to someone who owns original Wraithguard? What about someone using the first Talos GW made? None of them are exactly the same size as the current ones.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
They play Space Marines.

feth that book(s)

given how common marine armies are you must not get many games.

This is what almost killed local 40k in my area before lockdown; people were just not wanting to play vs Marine armies.