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Been a while since i got some classic 40K in so i got a 2fer

Game 1 was against ADMECH 7th edition. i was using a mechanized siege list for salamanders from 5th ed.

The table was imperial urban city



The mission was king of the hill center objective, random turn length.

He was running a mix of skitarri, dunce crawler, striders and a knight titan.

i had scouts and tac marines in transports, land speeder typhoon, land raider, an ironclad dread talon, brey'arth ashmantle and a fortification -Ikaris quad laser turret.

the setup was table quarters-

ADMECH



Salmanders



He went first and scouted up his infiltrators, since most of my stuff was well hidden, behind cover i was able to weather the first couple turns pretty good. fortunate for me since by ironclads decided to wait till turn 4 to show.

Brey'arth dropped in and did some no-good to some skitarrii, the knight tried to end him, but missed his CC attacks. Brey'arth hit back twice...and slapped the knight off the table with a double 6 damage roll removing both the knights structure points.

My land speeder got it's guns blown off and had to run back to the techmarine for some needed repairs.

There was a huge trade of fire with the skitarri rangers in the middle of the table, i lost my tac squad the RB got immobilised so i was forced to abandon my scout outflank to run them towards the objective.

His tech priest dominus got a lucky hit on Brey'arth ant took him out.

It was a good fight but the admech force was more designed to fight infantry, it ended up costing them in the end.

The player was more of a 9th edition player so learning 5th helped him appreciate how different the game plays.











GAME 2

This one was payback, and a bit of love thrown my opponents way as he was in the perfect environment

Ironwarriors 3.5 chaos codex, in a fortified position in an urban environment.

I think my dice were in on it as well since they were not cooperating.

as a slight moral victory i did manage to take out one of those damnable chaos upgraded predators (I usually always fail to kill them at all). but i lost so much to do it. it was just a direct battle since it was a very late start. still fun if quick and bloody.

By the end of things i was down to my 2 AV 14 units with no hope of salvaging the battle.

As always great to see the bat reps.

TinyLegions wrote:
As always great to see the bat reps.

Well i need to share the fun.

Now i have even more-

I was supposed to have an introductory game against grey knights, but the other player had some family stuff come up so i ended up rekindling some love for 40K with a guy who hasn't played it in over a decade. he was a 3rd ed guard player and still had a few minis in his collection that he could find.

He was basically down to a bunch of veteran squads a command squad and marbo so to bump up his points, even though we don't normally use them in games this small, we loaned him the stores ancient armor cast baneblade.

I was originally planning to fight the other guy so i went with a more infantry based list without my normal GK allies (as that would be strange since i was planning to fight them to begin with)



I ended up cutting it down quite a bit to get to 1,300 points or so.

We rolled up an end to end battle with a king of the hill objective.

Since he was nice enough not to use Creed's ability to outflank the baneblade i dropped in the ironclad in a lucius pod to try and put some hurt on him.....and failed miserably.

Since it was used in a normal game setting the baneblade while hard to kill wasn't game breaking. most of the work was done by his veteran squads and sheer volume of fire.

Since he was kitted out for points his cammo cloaks giving him that extra cover save, even in the open, really helped and he managed to tie up my snipers after breaching the fortification with melta bombs.

Marbo also saved his behind popping up behind the dreadnought and landing an immobilizing melta charge.

I just barely managed to get my TAC squad on to the objective to contest it (my librarian was doing work teleporting them around). as the game ended randomly on turn 5.

Had it gone to turn 6 i am pretty sure he would have won the match instead of pulling a tie. even with managing to destroy both the baneblade cannon and the demolisher cannon on the beast.

Ironclads remain the one type of Dread I do not own. Weird...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ironclads remain the one type of Dread I do not own. Weird...

I got them because to run a dread talon as a troop choice (badab war rules) you can only use (3) ironclads or siege dreads (the regular dreads with a siege drill/flamestorm cannon). it was part of my original army design with max dreadnoughts in a legal 2K list for 5th edition.

It's a chaos thing!

Really fun game tonight one the regulars who has a 30K world eaters army wanted to move up to the 40K timeline...so we broke out the stores collection of loaners armies. mostly old 2nd and 3rd ed stuff. we managed to cobble together a proper 3.5 chaos world eater/khorne berserker army.

The hosts of slaughter

HQ
.blood thirster kai gun/dread axe
.kharn the betrayer

TROOPS
.X8 berserkers with axes champion/icon
.x8 berserkers with axes champion/icon
.X8 blood letters

ELITE
X8 chosen terminators-chamion/icon, combi flamer X2 reaper autocannon X8 powerfists

HEAVY
X3 las/DCCW w HF mutated hull parasitic and demonic posession.

The salamander successors drop force

HQ
.terminator librarian
.techmarine on bike with conversion beamer

TROOP
.X10 scouts sniper rifles/heavy bolter, melta bomb
.X5 scouts bolters, shotguns, power fist/melta bomb + land speeder storm transport
.X10 tac marines flamer, missle launcher, powerfist/melta bomb + drop pod transport
.ironclad dread talon (X3 ironclad dreadnoughts hammer/DCCW with heavy flamers assault launchers and X2 HK missiles)

FAST
.assault squad-flamer, plasma pistol, thunder hammer/storm shield/melta bomb
.stormhawk interceptor.


Mission...because it was khorne he decided his objective for the game was BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

We rolled up a random end to end table deployment.

He went first with his terminators, blood thirster and blood letters in reserve. surprisingly he managed to get a fire frenzy on one of his dreads, scoring him an immobilized result on one of my ironclads.

My assault sqaud got the jump on the berserker squad with kharn in it....and promptly ran away when things went badly. kharn was the beast he was meant to be base 5 attacks +d3 on the charge and a +1 if they frenzied that turn. he did that 3 times 2 of them at max 9 attacks. and in case you are wondering he did kill a few of his own as to be expected.

his terminators came in behind me and immobilised a second ironclad. the 3rd tried to deal with them, killed a couple before dying to power fists.

Other fun facts

the converson beamer aimed at one of the dreads...and scattered onto the second mob of berserkers. deleting them. the librarian used gate to get away from one of his dreads and mishapped getting placed by my opponent right back where he started...in front of the dreadnought. his blood thirsters showed up, killed 2 marines with his kai gun.....and then failed 4 regular armor saves from the storm hawk.

As i usually do with his upgraded chaos vehicles. those mutations/possessions made them hard to kill and i managed to do some secondary damage but no kills.

The game ended on the dice roll at the end of turn 5. with khorne winning this one....well khorne always wins as long as blood is shed.

I only had a wounded librarian, wounded tech marine, 2 immobilized ironclads (pretty much out of the match), 5 scouts and the storm hawk left.

He had Kharn, 3 dreads, 5 terminators.

Had the game gone on another round i think it would have just got worse for me.





















Also, i just love this closeup of my scouts holding the cathedral.

 aphyon wrote:

TinyLegions wrote:
As always great to see the bat reps.

Well i need to share the fun.

Now i have even more-

Who makes the tall domed building? I need one of those in my life.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ironclads remain the one type of Dread I do not own. Weird...

Oddly, same.

 aphyon wrote:
the converson beamer aimed at one of the dreads...and scattered onto the second mob of berserkers. deleting them.

Always a danger of not spreading out your models in earlier editions. Something that was lost with the blasts and templates in 8th, though I remember some players could did take far too much time making sure they had maximum spread against blasts.

Greater daemons with armoury access? That's just asking for even more 3.5 shenanigans :p
Wounds on 2+, instant death vs T4, ignore armour saves, ignore invulnerable saves, ignore feel no pain, 2d6+8 armour penetration, 18" assault from reserves without scatter. If ever there was a time for a large screen of cheap conscripts... (or some lucky bolter rolling apparently, weight of fire has a quality of its own)

As a imperial guard tread head, I miss templates and scatter dice so much.

A.T. wrote:

 aphyon wrote:
the converson beamer aimed at one of the dreads...and scattered onto the second mob of berserkers. deleting them.

Always a danger of not spreading out your models in earlier editions. Something that was lost with the blasts and templates in 8th, though I remember some players could did take far too much time making sure they had maximum spread against blasts.

Greater daemons with armoury access? That's just asking for even more 3.5 shenanigans :p
Wounds on 2+, instant death vs T4, ignore armour saves, ignore invulnerable saves, ignore feel no pain, 2d6+8 armour penetration, 18" assault from reserves without scatter. If ever there was a time for a large screen of cheap conscripts... (or some lucky bolter rolling apparently, weight of fire has a quality of its own)

They were bunched up because they had just been in close combat with my tac squad. the surviving librarian gated away at the start of my turn so it left them in a bit of a clump. the funny part is i wasn't even aiming at them because i was hoping to use the librarians second power (the S5/AP3 flamer) on them. i really needed to destroy the dread.

Who makes the tall domed building? I need one of those in my life.

Welcome to the world of 3d printing-

That is from the imperial city set STLs from sacrusmundus. one of the 2 best 40K terrain providers-


https://www.myminifactory.com/users/Sacrusmundus?show=objects&sortBy=date&price=all&page=1&query=


That particular set is here

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-augusta-the-holy-city-3d-printing-designs-bundle-statues-gothic-scifi-buildings-terrain-and-scenery-for-wargames-168180





I also suggest war scenery if you need more domes in your life.
terrain
They have a nice collection of DOW terrain including space marines, imperial guard, mechanicus, sisters, tau and some non 40K Star Wars

https://www.warscenery.com/shop?page=2

DeadliestIdiot wrote:
As a imperial guard tread head, I miss templates and scatter dice so much.

One of the many reasons I went back to 3rd. Also the Ordinance penetration chart...

 aphyon wrote:
They were bunched up because they had just been in close combat with my tac squad. the surviving librarian gated away at the start of my turn so it left them in a bit of a clump.

Ah right, I remember one of my old marine regulars using that in combination with locator beacons for a while until they switched to Blood Angels.
But they always used it offensively with things like attack biker squads

when i use the librarian this way i tend to think of him as a transport option not just an HQ...like a super rhino to move my tacs around (as long as i do not roll doubles ). since my force follows an airborne/drop troop theme the movement versatility the librarian provides really fits the army as i purposely try to avoid using ground vehicles aside from dreadnoughts and skimmers (there is a whole chapter lore backstory i wrote for that).

 aphyon wrote:
when i use the librarian this way i tend to think of him as a transport option not just an HQ...like a super rhino to move my tacs around (as long as i do not roll doubles ). since my force follows an airborne/drop troop theme the movement versatility the librarian provides really fits the army as i purposely try to avoid using ground vehicles aside from dreadnoughts and skimmers (there is a whole chapter lore backstory i wrote for that).

I think what put my marine opponent off was that early on the same was achieved by the very drop pods that were carrying the locator beacons the librarian would be using, and they had all the same inherent limitations of not being able to assault or fire heavy weapons excepting the bikes.
Plus the terrible luck they always seemed to have with deepstrike scatter.

Introductory game tonight.

One of the regular guys wanted to jump into 40K and picked up a used

large GK army for our 5th ed games using the 5th ed codex. not my favorite i prefer demon hunters but i helped him build a list and we finally got a game in after several weeks of schedule conflicts.

His force consisted of

HQ
grand master
TROOP
X2 strike squads
ELITE
.paladin squad
FAST
.interceptors
HEAVY
.dreadnight
.venerable dreadnought



Since this was his very first game of 40K we decided to just focus on game mechanics and skip any objectives. he really loves the halberd aesthetic and a focus on close combat.

I equipped all his units with a demon hammer and psycannon as well as giving all his units psycannon bolts. so he could deal with a bit of everything.

I ended going first and spent most of the first turn trying to destroy his venerable dread....i finally managed to remove it's las canon as well as immobilize it. his dice rolled really well for him all game. while i did manage to whittle down his interceptors, the hammerhand S9 hammers did work on my ironclads and thanks to the shunt his night made short work of my assault squad.

It took all game but i did manage to kill the dreadnight. in the end however it was pretty clearly a GK victory. the game ended on a dice roll at the end of 6.

He really enjoyed himself and wants to do a bigger game to try out some of his other units including his flyer and his named characters.

Tonight's game was supposed to be my rematch, however i gave up my spot for somebody else to get a game in since we started very late.

We had to rough some army build stats from memory because the khorne player for got some of his books.

Since this is our nybrid 5th ed 40K game he was using core 3.5 chaos rules with a couple added model from forgeworld.

In the end he roughly had

Kharn
.X3 8 man berserker squads with chain axes
.an 8 man unit of blood letter
.a contemptor dread
.an 8 man chosen terminator squad
.a chaos spartan

The iron warriors player had

.warsmith
.X3 marine squads
.3X3 obliterator squads
.X3 predators
.basilisk

The iron warriors player went first but all he really managed to do was kill 7 berserkers on foot and rip an arm off the contemptor.

Strangely enough for the first few turns all the khorn marked units were blood frenzying including the dreadnought....in fact it only actually got to shoot one time. the rest of the time the player just kept rolling the magic 1 for it to go crazy and run foreword.


Combined fire from the many las cannons and the oblits dropping in only managed to scour 1 structure point off the spartan, but it did give the berserker units riding inside something up close to go fight.

The choas terminators misshaped and were put in the far back corner of the table so their contribution was very limited, however that one lone berserker that lost all of his squad managed to get in the iron warriors back field with his icon and summon in the blood letters to break the line.

The iron warriors put up a good fight but even with the early setbacks the berserker warband was the clear victor in this match

the khorne side lost the contemptor and a bunch of berserkers but not entire squads netting the iron warrior player 1 KP

By comparison the ironwarriors lost 2 oblit squads, 2 marine squads, and 2 vehicles giving up 6 KP.

Did another smallish 1,450 game against the orks again. this time i ramped it up a bit and added a few more dreads. because of points restrictions i had to run my LS typhoon and a double heavy bolter tornado.

the game was an end to end deployment with a king of the hill center objective.

the entire middle section fortification of the table was 3+ cover saves unfortunately for the OK player he didn't make very many of them.


The ork player called it at the end of turn 3, i think he could have pulled off a win if he had played it out, but it was also 1am at that point, not everybody has the same gamer stamina.

So a friend finally got back to the game store after months away dealing with real life and normally he plays a 3.5 chaos khornate army. he has been itching to try out his work bearers.

We are playing out hybrid 5th ed rules so it is a battle between

3.5 chaos with a few demons from the 4th ed demon codex for variety.

He ran

.fallen chaplain/dark apostle warlord
.Skarbrand

X2 choas marine squads
.bloodletters
.plagubearers
.demonettes
.furies

.blood crushers

A rhino and land raider.

I put him up against a salamanders force with allied demon hunters -Grey Knight grand master with terminator retinue

My list included the above plus

.Brey'arth ashmantle with a lucius pod
.scout snipers
.ironclad dread talon
.assault squad
.venerable autocannon dread.
.Icaris quad lascannon emplacement.

With the grey knights present the demonic incursion rules were in play.....so all those general troop level demons just keep walking back onto the table. can i survive this 2,100 point game for 5-7 turns?

He went first and the quad turret died without firing a shot and as hard as i tried i could not remove any icons from the table before turn 2. i was fortunate at first with only half his force deciding to spawn. even so a few turns in all my basic marines were dead......guess the knights won't have to purge them later.

Without the grey Knights i doubt if i would have lasted as long as i did. i only lost 2 of them...one to the rhinos combi-bolter and the other to a plague knife.

A big bunch of classic 40K tonight.

The first game was a break in game. one of the guys received a free ork army. so with a bit of tinkering and proxying we managed to get it up to 1,900 odd points.

The player normally plays guard so he was having a bit of fun with this one.

On a side note, fighting an army of orks with a 5+ invul save for cybork bodies is lots of work,

The orks-dread mob raid on kestral novum army list

.big mek dred
.mad doc grotsnik

.X2 (10) spanna boys
.15 lootas
.15 storm boys
.12 tankbustas
.2 deff koptas
.trukk

I used one of my badab inspired siege army lists.

.brey'arth ashmantle w/drop pod
.ironclad dread talon
.scouts(5) w/land speeder storm
.X3 venerable hellfire dreads
.(10) assault squad

We just did a stright up meatgrinder 12" deployment

I went first and got super lucky. the mek dread is on par with brey'arth's abilities with the added ability to repair itself. so when i dropped in and assaulted it i expected to take damage or be destroyed. as it so happens my dice were rolling better than his.

His deff koptas got revenge outflanking and shooting brey'arth in the back immobilizing him.

his loota's and tank bustas were really MVPs this game....the bomb squigs not so much he had to spend of 3 of them needing 2+/2+ to take out my land speeder.

this game ended up being super brutal. he managed to destroy one venerable dread and immobilize 4 others. take out my assault squad and my scouts/speeder. at the end of the game he had his lootas and mad doc and i had a single functional iron clad and venerable dread left.









Game 2

This game was a classic. somebody i have been playing with for 20 years. he built this army back in 5th ed, but he has not played it much recently. most people want to battle his 3.5 iron warriors.

This was a full 2K game with a d3+2 objectives (we ended up with 3) and a 12" deployment

His list

.pedro cantor
.sicarius

.X2 las.melta tac squads
.X2 sternguard vets in drop pods w/ heavy flamers and combi-meltas
.terminator assault squad (5)
.land raider redeemer
running joke with the redeemer-if it gets immobilized, he will lose the game

My list
I had not broke out the big bird for a while so i went air heavy, even though it hurt me a bit on objective scoring-

.master of the forge w/4 servitors

.scout squad w/land speeder storm
.ironclad dread talon
.venerable hellfire dread
.deathstorm drop pod
.assault squad (10)
.storm talon
.storm eagle



He managed to go first and the first sternguard unit combat squadded to take out 2 of the ironclads

A big brawl started on the right side objective in the building. it ended up involving pedro, the terminator squad his tac squad and my asault squad. it took a while but the assault squad sarge managed to storm shield save a stupid amount of wounds before finally going down.
the one venerable dread i hade also got taken out by the sternguards.

This game was super close. on turn 5 i was ahead, turn 6 it went to a tie when the last ironclad dread tangled with the terminators and turn 7 (it went all the way on the dice rolls) i managed to pull a victory through going second.

The scouts hoofed it through the command center and used their OBSEC to take the middle point from the terminators
i had to put the storm eagle into hover so the master of the forge could get out and take the left objective.

Down to the wire, the best way a game should go.

A friend of mine for some strange reason wants to get back into 3rd ed. and he's finding it one of the hardest to collect.

Obviously, I'm biased - I quit 40k during the 3/4 era and after a couple of years started playing 2nd again. I remember it well, but not fondly.

Anyway, he was lamenting the difficulty of find books and materials. I said I wasn't surprised - the resale value on 3rd ed. stuff when I got out was zero. I posted them on ebay and they never sold. When we moved, I just threw the books away.

It's interesting to see which editions held their value. I supposed 3rd will eventually by highly collectible simply due to rarity. Sort of like having an AMC Pacer - nobody likes them, which is why hardly any are left.

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:
A friend of mine for some strange reason wants to get back into 3rd ed. and he's finding it one of the hardest to collect.

Obviously, I'm biased - I quit 40k during the 3/4 era and after a couple of years started playing 2nd again. I remember it well, but not fondly.

Anyway, he was lamenting the difficulty of find books and materials. I said I wasn't surprised - the resale value on 3rd ed. stuff when I got out was zero. I posted them on ebay and they never sold. When we moved, I just threw the books away.

It's interesting to see which editions held their value. I supposed 3rd will eventually by highly collectible simply due to rarity. Sort of like having an AMC Pacer - nobody likes them, which is why hardly any are left.

Is it really that hard? I went back and got a bunch a few months ago on ebay, and they were all below initial retail price. I bought Guard 3.5, marines, both inquistion dexes, and CWE, and the only one above 6$ was Witchunters (10) and the core rules (20).

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:
A friend of mine for some strange reason wants to get back into 3rd ed. and he's finding it one of the hardest to collect.

Obviously, I'm biased - I quit 40k during the 3/4 era and after a couple of years started playing 2nd again. I remember it well, but not fondly.

Anyway, he was lamenting the difficulty of find books and materials. I said I wasn't surprised - the resale value on 3rd ed. stuff when I got out was zero. I posted them on ebay and they never sold. When we moved, I just threw the books away.

It's interesting to see which editions held their value. I supposed 3rd will eventually by highly collectible simply due to rarity. Sort of like having an AMC Pacer - nobody likes them, which is why hardly any are left.

There's a bunch of 3rd ed codexes on ebay right now. Maybe 40ish? Roughly the same amount of 2nd ed codexes which pop up, actually. Neither seem particularly difficult to find.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:
A friend of mine for some strange reason wants to get back into 3rd ed. and he's finding it one of the hardest to collect.

Obviously, I'm biased - I quit 40k during the 3/4 era and after a couple of years started playing 2nd again. I remember it well, but not fondly.

Anyway, he was lamenting the difficulty of find books and materials. I said I wasn't surprised - the resale value on 3rd ed. stuff when I got out was zero. I posted them on ebay and they never sold. When we moved, I just threw the books away.

It's interesting to see which editions held their value. I supposed 3rd will eventually by highly collectible simply due to rarity. Sort of like having an AMC Pacer - nobody likes them, which is why hardly any are left.

There's a bunch of 3rd ed codexes on ebay right now. Maybe 40ish? Roughly the same amount of 2nd ed codexes which pop up, actually. Neither seem particularly difficult to find.

Yeah, I've recalled seeing them from time to time as well and am not sure what he was driving at. I think he was wanting only the initial print run of everything, so not any of the revisions.

Still, I see a few of those out there myself, so not sure what he was driving at.

That reminds me that I still need to chase down the Dark Eldar revised codex for 3th edition

 Just Tony wrote:
That reminds me that I still need to chase down the Dark Eldar revised codex for 3th edition

What was revised for that one? Is it the same content that's in the Chapter Approved?

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
That reminds me that I still need to chase down the Dark Eldar revised codex for 3th edition

What was revised for that one? Is it the same content that's in the Chapter Approved?

IIRC, Dark Eldar were the flagship new race at the launch of 3rd ed, which resulted in tons of the warriors being traded away on the cheap because not a lot of people wanted to play them. Around these parts, they were known as "Bondage Eldar."

I think 3rd ed. stands out insofar as they had codexes that actually failed, and GW was compelled to do reprints. Back when I was collecting all the 2nd ed. books, my search results frequently brought up books from 3rd ed. that were the second iteration.

So while I see a bunch of stuff out there on ebay, if you're into all first-printing, mint-condition level collecting, that might increase the degree of difficulty.

As I recall, that's what my guy wanted: 3rd ed. as released, no updates, no chapter approved, just original as written.

Having lived through the release of those books and observing the reaction to them, I'm not sure I'd want to revisit that particular period of the hobby, but everyone has their thing.

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:


As I recall, that's what my guy wanted: 3rd ed. as released, no updates, no chapter approved, just original as written.

Then all he needs is the main rulebook for 3rd. It has the army lists in it.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:


As I recall, that's what my guy wanted: 3rd ed. as released, no updates, no chapter approved, just original as written.

Then all he needs is the main rulebook for 3rd. It has the army lists in it.

What I (and he) meant was that he wanted the first-run of everything. So the first-run rulebook, and then all the subsequent codexes before the corrections/improvements were made.

I recall that there were "in-edition" revisions, but I junked all that stuff a long time ago. At the time, 4th edition was becoming preponderant, I found zero demand for earlier 3rd books, and wasn't interested in carrying boxes of books into a new house in the hopes that 20 years later I could get some sort of return on the investment.

This contrasts with my experience with 6th Ed. Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Once I got wind of the 7th ed, I immediately listed everything I had and got decent (used) prices for them. I really liked 6th, and wasn't willing to upgrade and I wasn't sure what 6th books would be worth when 7th came out.

The irony of course is that I have a bunch of WHFB 5th edition books (an edition I loathe) along with Ravening Hordes. But now I digress...

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
That reminds me that I still need to chase down the Dark Eldar revised codex for 3th edition

What was revised for that one? Is it the same content that's in the Chapter Approved?

IIRC, Dark Eldar were the flagship new race at the launch of 3rd ed, which resulted in tons of the warriors being traded away on the cheap because not a lot of people wanted to play them. Around these parts, they were known as "Bondage Eldar."

I think 3rd ed. stands out insofar as they had codexes that actually failed, and GW was compelled to do reprints. Back when I was collecting all the 2nd ed. books, my search results frequently brought up books from 3rd ed. that were the second iteration.

So while I see a bunch of stuff out there on ebay, if you're into all first-printing, mint-condition level collecting, that might increase the degree of difficulty.

As I recall, that's what my guy wanted: 3rd ed. as released, no updates, no chapter approved, just original as written.

Having lived through the release of those books and observing the reaction to them, I'm not sure I'd want to revisit that particular period of the hobby, but everyone has their thing.

Ahh, none of that really tells me what the difference between the first and second release is . . .

 Insectum7 wrote:
Ahh, none of that really tells me what the difference between the first and second release is . . .

Revised edition had Wych Cult armies and the Archonite and Draconite(I think that was the names? New lesser level versions of the characters) entries as well as balance/points fixes.