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If they're smart, they'll use this to encourage the use of some of the more costly HQ options and special characters. That will let you offset the lower amount of HQ slots available now, but only for more expensive HQs, so it'll still prevent HQ spam.
Let each faction's most expensive generic HQ type be a Supreme commander, and special character variants of them, and other HQs over like 200pts.
Platuan4th wrote: If by long time he means last year when Vigilus continued to advance the lore since it started advancing in Fall of Cadia, sure.
Or last month, when Pariah wrapped up the lore changes for the whole Psychic Awakening set of lore advances.
That was more of a lore fill in though since most of PA took place between Rise of the Primarch and Dark Imperium.
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Technically they already can. The eight is nominally a SC detachment but ALREADY breaks the rules for the detachment (number of commanders, number of relics, etc) in 8th edition. So I see no reason it wouldn't ignore that restriction in 9th.
I suspect supreme commander would be very likely to go on 'faction bosses' who have a subfaction.
Abaddon is normally only useable in a BLACK LEGION force, or Ghazgkhull in a GOFF one, but both kind of play the role of 'effective faction leader'. Supreme Command lets you (for example) take a WORLD EATERS force and still have Lord Topknot in command.
The Eight is a single Lord of War that has an additional CP cost applied to it (and precludes the use of specific strats from being used for the rest of the game). From a rules perspective, it's one unit that becomes separate models after deployment.
It never fit into a Supreme Command Detachment in 8th.
Supreme Command Detachments in 8th allowed for a LoW, an elite, and requiered 3 HQ up to 5
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: So I just spoke with my local GW store rep, and he said there is new lore dropping in the 9th book, concerning the Big E, Ghazkul, the Beast, and the crusade, and the Silent King, he says that for the first time in a long time, "GW is advancing the lore". I think we may see a new Supreme Commander on Terra.
Whoever int he Studio thinks that "advancing the lore" is the right thing to do is in the wrong role. They should get a speedy transfer into a more appropriate role, possibly via a cannon.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
They have been advancing the lore since the end of 7th with the return of Roboat. 8th was nothing but advancing the lore. So much so that they had to make a whole new galactic map.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
The last thing 40k needs is more super-heavies in 2000 point games, especially not super-heavy named characters. The game needs less skew, not more. And less special characters dying every battle, not more.
For me Special Characters should be absolute beasts that you need permission to use (ala second edition) or not represented on the table at all. It's fine having them in the lore yet at the same time model company Games Workshop is not going to stop selling those pretty display pieces that they invested all that tech in and that's understandable.
I reckon its gonna be characters who are the undisputed leaders of their faction, or characters that if they showed up for a battle, would automatically be deferred to for command.
Ghaz
Ahriman
Abaddon
Typhus
Dante
Marneus
etc
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: So I just spoke with my local GW store rep, and he said there is new lore dropping in the 9th book, concerning the Big E, Ghazkul, the Beast, and the crusade, and the Silent King, he says that for the first time in a long time, "GW is advancing the lore". I think we may see a new Supreme Commander on Terra.
Whoever int he Studio thinks that "advancing the lore" is the right thing to do is in the wrong role. They should get a speedy transfer into a more appropriate role, possibly via a cannon.
So much this. I want my giant 40k sandbox back TVM...
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Nithaniel wrote: I reckon its gonna be characters who are the undisputed leaders of their faction, or characters that if they showed up for a battle, would automatically be deferred to for command.
Ghaz
Ahriman
Abaddon
Typhus
Dante
Marneus
etc
Agreed, and probably intended to reduce the shenanigans of taking someone like Calgar in your army but making your warlord some no mark ancient that spends the entire battle hiding behind your castle...
Dante is a clear choice. Chapter Master of the Blood Angels, Warden of the Imperium Nihlus, and long overdue for a new mini... I have a feeling something good is coming
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: So I just spoke with my local GW store rep, and he said there is new lore dropping in the 9th book, concerning the Big E, Ghazkul, the Beast, and the crusade, and the Silent King, he says that for the first time in a long time, "GW is advancing the lore". I think we may see a new Supreme Commander on Terra.
Whoever int he Studio thinks that "advancing the lore" is the right thing to do is in the wrong role. They should get a speedy transfer into a more appropriate role, possibly via a cannon.
Agreed. I greatly preferred 40k as a setting instead of an ongoing story with a few very important people.
Nithaniel wrote:I reckon its gonna be characters who are the undisputed leaders of their faction, or characters that if they showed up for a battle, would automatically be deferred to for command.
Ghaz
Ahriman
Abaddon
Typhus
Dante
Marneus
etc
Abaddon is not the undisputed leader of all the legions.
Nithaniel wrote:I reckon its gonna be characters who are the undisputed leaders of their faction, or characters that if they showed up for a battle, would automatically be deferred to for command.
Ghaz
Ahriman
Abaddon
Typhus
Dante
Marneus
etc
Abaddon is not the undisputed leader of all the legions.
While he might not be the undisputed leader, he has been shown to be able to bang enough heads together to get a mixed bag of factions together for a Black Crusade. I think that earns him the right for the title.
Heck, nothing is undisputed in the forces of Chaos.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Abaddon is not the undisputed leader of all the legions.
Of course he isn't, but I can't imagine he would ever take part in a battle, and not be in overall charge of Team Spikey.
Excellent point. It would be nice, however, if the other legions were given a way to take advantage of the extra HQ slot afforded by the detachment. Maybe allow generic Chaos Lords to have the Supreme Commander keyword.
Actually, such options would probably make sense for any factions without an obvious "Supreme Commander", otherwise we're looking at a detachment that is only useful for certain factions. We'll have to wait and see how gw handles it, as usual.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Abaddon is not the undisputed leader of all the legions.
Of course he isn't, but I can't imagine he would ever take part in a battle, and not be in overall charge of Team Spikey.
Excellent point. It would be nice, however, if the other legions were given a way to take advantage of the extra HQ slot afforded by the detachment. Maybe allow generic Chaos Lords to have the Supreme Commander keyword.
Actually, such options would probably make sense for any factions without an obvious "Supreme Commander", otherwise we're looking at a detachment that is only useful for certain factions. We'll have to wait and see how gw handles it, as usual.
The point of "Supreme Commander" is likely for books like Tau Empire or Adeptus Mechanicus to be able to get access to a <Faction> locked character like Cawl or Shadowsun without needing to bring a whole separate detachment for that HQ.
In the case of Codex: Chaos Space Marines, this would be Abaddon...not Dave from the Night Lords or Bill from Alpha Legion or whatever.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Abaddon is not the undisputed leader of all the legions.
Of course he isn't, but I can't imagine he would ever take part in a battle, and not be in overall charge of Team Spikey.
Excellent point. It would be nice, however, if the other legions were given a way to take advantage of the extra HQ slot afforded by the detachment. Maybe allow generic Chaos Lords to have the Supreme Commander keyword.
Actually, such options would probably make sense for any factions without an obvious "Supreme Commander", otherwise we're looking at a detachment that is only useful for certain factions. We'll have to wait and see how gw handles it, as usual.
The point of "Supreme Commander" is likely for books like Tau Empire or Adeptus Mechanicus to be able to get access to a <Faction> locked character like Cawl or Shadowsun without needing to bring a whole separate detachment for that HQ.
In the case of Codex: Chaos Space Marines, this would be Abaddon...not Dave from the Night Lords or Bill from Alpha Legion or whatever.
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Gadzilla666 wrote: Abaddon is not the undisputed leader of all the legions.
Of course he isn't, but I can't imagine he would ever take part in a battle, and not be in overall charge of Team Spikey.
Excellent point. It would be nice, however, if the other legions were given a way to take advantage of the extra HQ slot afforded by the detachment. Maybe allow generic Chaos Lords to have the Supreme Commander keyword.
Actually, such options would probably make sense for any factions without an obvious "Supreme Commander", otherwise we're looking at a detachment that is only useful for certain factions. We'll have to wait and see how gw handles it, as usual.
The point of "Supreme Commander" is likely for books like Tau Empire or Adeptus Mechanicus to be able to get access to a <Faction> locked character like Cawl or Shadowsun without needing to bring a whole separate detachment for that HQ.
In the case of Codex: Chaos Space Marines, this would be Abaddon...not Dave from the Night Lords or Bill from Alpha Legion or whatever.
While I'd guess you're right, why would you want to do that? Abaddon's best buff only applies to Black Legion units, same for Gulliman, his rerolls apply to Ultramarines. It just seems like a bonus HQ slot for any subfaction that gw happens to have produced a model for that fits the definition of "Supreme Commander". Not sure how Shadowsun and Cawl work with various Tau and Mechanicus subfactions.
And quit picking on poor Dave. He's had it rough since Tsgagulasa.
Are we just going to assume that the rules will stay the same when new codices drop?
Plus, right now(as far as I can tell it hasn't been FAQ'd) taking Abaddon nets you +2CPs if he's your Warlord...plus a reroll Failed Morale Tests for Heretic Astartes units within range of his Mark of Chaos Ascendant stuff.
Shadowsun can use her Command Link Drone to buff a Tau Empire unit rather than <Sept>, also any Sept's Stealth Suits can do the bodyguard schtick for her. Her Advanced Guardian Drone targets Tau Empire rather than <Sept> as well for its shieldy thing.
Cawl has a passive bit that makes it so you can add or subtract to rolls for your Canticles(meaning that you can potentially use the same Canticle multiple times with ease, rather than one+done like picking does) and can repair any Imperium or Adeptus Mechanicus stuff. His "Lord of Mars" only applies to <Forge World= Mars> stuff obviously.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Abaddon is not the undisputed leader of all the legions.
Of course he isn't, but I can't imagine he would ever take part in a battle, and not be in overall charge of Team Spikey.
Excellent point. It would be nice, however, if the other legions were given a way to take advantage of the extra HQ slot afforded by the detachment. Maybe allow generic Chaos Lords to have the Supreme Commander keyword.
Actually, such options would probably make sense for any factions without an obvious "Supreme Commander", otherwise we're looking at a detachment that is only useful for certain factions. We'll have to wait and see how gw handles it, as usual.
That would be pretty cool - some kind of "Warmaster" Chapter Master equivalent stratagem (Abaddon is far from the only Warmaster after all) to unlock the SC could be neat.
Kanluwen wrote: Are we just going to assume that the rules will stay the same when new codices drop?
Plus, right now(as far as I can tell it hasn't been FAQ'd) taking Abaddon nets you +2CPs if he's your Warlord...plus a reroll Failed Morale Tests for Heretic Astartes units within range of his Mark of Chaos Ascendant stuff.
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Well, there's lots of stuff that needs to be FAQed
Just having Red Corsairs still bumps up command benefits too, for example, so a Red Corsairs add-onBattalion is free, even if your Warlord isn't in it, or let's you start at 15 CP, if you're army is a single Red Corsair Battalion with 3 CSM units
Kanluwen wrote: Are we just going to assume that the rules will stay the same when new codices drop?
Plus, right now(as far as I can tell it hasn't been FAQ'd) taking Abaddon nets you +2CPs if he's your Warlord...plus a reroll Failed Morale Tests for Heretic Astartes units within range of his Mark of Chaos Ascendant stuff.
Shadowsun can use her Command Link Drone to buff a Tau Empire unit rather than <Sept>, also any Sept's Stealth Suits can do the bodyguard schtick for her. Her Advanced Guardian Drone targets Tau Empire rather than <Sept> as well for its shieldy thing.
Cawl has a passive bit that makes it so you can add or subtract to rolls for your Canticles(meaning that you can potentially use the same Canticle multiple times with ease, rather than one+done like picking does) and can repair any Imperium or Adeptus Mechanicus stuff. His "Lord of Mars" only applies to <Forge World= Mars> stuff obviously.
Of course the rules will change. And I already agreed with you that's how the Supreme Commander keyword will probably work. It'll be for big named characters. But if they do make them work with all subfactions, won't that be boring? Everyone bringing the same HQs? Every tau list: Shadowsun. Every csm list: Abaddon. It'll be like the start of 8th with every loyalist list bringing Gulliman, only it'll be everybody.
a_typical_hero wrote: I would like to have our saviour the Lord Solar Macharius back. I know he is long dead in the current timeline, but he was one of my favourite models back in the day.
Here, here!
Giantwalkingchair wrote: I could see Creed popping out Trazyns pokeball and being Supreme Commander of guard
Creed has always had Supreme Commander on his datasheet even during 6E...
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I will not rest until the Tabletop Imperial Guard has been reduced to complete mediocrity. This is completely reflected in the lore.
Sorry, but if we're going for crappy Commissar characters (which let's be real: is probably going to be the nonsense they saddle us with)? It should be Gaunt.
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