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 Galef wrote:


What units do you have that aren't going to translate well to 9th because of something OTHER than Tactical viability?

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I mostly hate the fact the my Ghazghkull model, my favorite GW miniature in history, is now just a humble meganob. Especially when not long ago my big mek on a bike became a simple nob on warbike unless playing legends, so did the biker boss.

I just hope that GW doesn't primarize TWC, Wulfen and special SW characters at this point, they already killed Ragnar Blackmane.

Almost missed the "Other than tactical viability" part. That would have been silly.

My Librarian and Interrogator-Chaplain on bikes got the Legends treatment, so sadly they won't be seeing any play any more. TBH I hadn't really used them much since 7th edition though, where they were totally fixtures in my lists.

Running triple daemon princes is just not going to be worth it anymore. Also, I don't see either of my bloodthirsters getting much play.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Dunno off the top of my head, but I think my Chaplain on a Bike is in legends while Primaris are getting a Chaplain on a bike. We still got the Jump Pack guy though

Still holding out for Necron Pariahs.

What is with all the love for Pariahs? I didn't play when those things existed in the game, so I haven't a clue why I see so many people clamoring for them.

Sadly it looks like Heavy Bolters are going to be the great betrayers for my Guard, I think I eat more cost increases on those than anything else. After finally having an edition where heavy bolter really were solid generalist purchases (albeit outshone by Plasma Cannons on Russ tanks), GW remembered that's not supposed to happen

More on point however, I don't really have much in the way of stuff that won't have rules or that'll be awkward to field, mostly just the traditional Forgeworld "hey are we ever gonna get a book newer than 2017?" issues. I think my new GK army will have to cut a character or swap a HQ Dreadknight for HS versions, my Guard are just going to have to live with fewer heavy bolters, my Chaos Marines will remain on the shelf, and it looks like the Shadowsword+3Baneblade list is retired for the time being. I haven't actually looked at how my Eldar would play (not that they got many 8E games in), but that's an army mostly composed of Wave Serpents and War Walkers anyway.

For my tyranids it's the Harpy. With two HVC it was a decent AT threat with movement shenanigans from dropping spores. But being a monster with blast weapons in the Flier choice, it went up 50 points. It doesn't have Airborne. It's weapons are assault. It can't shoot them into CC. Gained nothing from rules changes, but got the nerfbat all the same.

 vipoid wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Everything Craftworld that walks on the ground. They were already trash, now they're more relatively expensive trash.

Thank goodness GW brought a much-needed end to all those Wraithlord armies that were dominating the meta in 8th.


Also, you look familiar somehow.

I did a double take when you quoted him....something familiar....something in the eyes

I have seniority.

My entire army, GW decided to screw over all the R&H players and get rid of all of our units.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Sadly it looks like Heavy Bolters are going to be the great betrayers for my Guard, I think I eat more cost increases on those than anything else. After finally having an edition where heavy bolter really were solid generalist purchases (albeit outshone by Plasma Cannons on Russ tanks), GW remembered that's not supposed to happen

More on point however, I don't really have much in the way of stuff that won't have rules or that'll be awkward to field, mostly just the traditional Forgeworld "hey are we ever gonna get a book newer than 2017?" issues. I think my new GK army will have to cut a character or swap a HQ Dreadknight for HS versions, my Guard are just going to have to live with fewer heavy bolters, my Chaos Marines will remain on the shelf, and it looks like the Shadowsword+3Baneblade list is retired for the time being. I haven't actually looked at how my Eldar would play (not that they got many 8E games in), but that's an army mostly composed of Wave Serpents and War Walkers anyway.

Heavy bolter are being penalized for being the most common sponson gun on Imperial tanks. They're the gun you're going to use to try to clear melee units off your tank so the main gun can fire at something else. I'm not saying that's sensible, just that I think it's the most likely explanation.

3 Heavy Bolters on a Leman Russ firing into melee with MEQ's engaging it is 9 shots, 3 hits, 2 wounds, 1 dead marine.

I don't see that as "clearing melee units of my tank".

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
My entire army, GW decided to screw over all the R&H players and get rid of all of our units.

We had a good Run...
O7

 MinscS2 wrote:
3 Heavy Bolters on a Leman Russ firing into melee with MEQ's engaging it is 9 shots, 3 hits, 2 wounds, 1 dead marine.

I don't see that as "clearing melee units of my tank".

Just because it isn't going to work very well doesn't mean you're not going to try it.

 catbarf wrote:
The Malanthrope doesn't seem too useful in an edition where obscuration is easier to come by and to-hit penalties cap at -1. Which is a shame, because I've always loved the model (see: avatar).

Maybe it'll get a bigger radius to compensate for being only one model?

Ah who are we kidding? GW will increase its cost a further 50% because it was really good in 8th and their "balancing" always lags an edition or two.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Am I allowed to mourn Chaos Marine Infantry, which has been pretty worthless since 8th? Or is it too far back?

Seems fine to do that.

I mourn the Carnifex, and he too also died a long time ago.