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Spoletta wrote:
By the way, marines are also getting the HQ limitations.

Max 1 cap and 2 Lt per detachment.
Guess that they are coming for everyone then.

That sounds awful. Not everyone has the range of HQ's marines have. At this stage I'm down to 2 options I can use outside legends. (In terms of models I have not overall although some are in a worse place than Eldar).

Karol wrote:
I wonder if it is going to work on those new primaris tanks. Quad mini bolters and two miniguns could give a lot of 6s rolled.

In the case of the miniguns, are they Bolt weapons? I didn't think the Gatling Cannon weapons were, but I may not be up-to-date on that.

pm713 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
By the way, marines are also getting the HQ limitations.

Max 1 cap and 2 Lt per detachment.
Guess that they are coming for everyone then.

That sounds awful. Not everyone has the range of HQ's marines have. At this stage I'm down to 2 options I can use outside legends. (In terms of models I have not overall although some are in a worse place than Eldar).

There are some new HQs coming it looks like. One of them is definitely Drukhari--either Lelith Hesperax or a new Wych character.

 Dysartes wrote:

Karol wrote:
I wonder if it is going to work on those new primaris tanks. Quad mini bolters and two miniguns could give a lot of 6s rolled.

In the case of the miniguns, are they Bolt weapons? I didn't think the Gatling Cannon weapons were, but I may not be up-to-date on that.

They are not.

pm713 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
By the way, marines are also getting the HQ limitations.

Max 1 cap and 2 Lt per detachment.
Guess that they are coming for everyone then.

That sounds awful. Not everyone has the range of HQ's marines have. At this stage I'm down to 2 options I can use outside legends. (In terms of models I have not overall although some are in a worse place than Eldar).

We don't know which limitations are going to be placed.
They are not following 100% the fluff, or chaplains and librarians would also likely get a limitation.

 Kanluwen wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
By the way, marines are also getting the HQ limitations.

Max 1 cap and 2 Lt per detachment.
Guess that they are coming for everyone then.

That sounds awful. Not everyone has the range of HQ's marines have. At this stage I'm down to 2 options I can use outside legends. (In terms of models I have not overall although some are in a worse place than Eldar).

There are some new HQs coming it looks like. One of them is definitely Drukhari--either Lelith Hesperax or a new Wych character.

Oh, good I can be forced to take characters or finally get something that GW cut out for no reason.

By "a new Wych character", I'm meaning a potential new type.
The video that GW dropped today showed off a Palatine for the Sororitas in full, and teased Ork, Drukhari, Skitarii, and Death Guard character models.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So Raven Guard get -1 to be hit and +1 to their armour save outside of 18 even when out in the open? Alpha Legion eat your heart out.

Great to see that loyalists are getting another round of updated chapter tactics while csm continue to be stuck with our outdated ones. Sorry, just had to add a little .

And it can be removed by someone having "ignores the effects of cover" on their weapon or unit...plus the Dense Terrain bonus only applies to Infantry keyworded units.

Right, so totally useless against IF, Iron Warriors, Noise Marines, and a few other random things. Guess Alpha Legion should be glad they get the -1 to be hit on their dreadnoughts and bikers. I don't really mind, I don't play Alpha Legion, and that shouldn't have been their legion trait in the first place. They never were the sneaky legion that got bonuses to cover saves and stealth in previous editions, that was The Eighth.

 Kanluwen wrote:
By "a new Wych character", I'm meaning a potential new type.
The video that GW dropped today showed off a Palatine for the Sororitas in full, and teased Ork, Drukhari, Skitarii, and Death Guard character models.

Surprisingly that could turn out to be decent. Although I'm not going to start praising GW for it.

The Adeptus Mechanicus character looked like some kind of skitarii HQ.

 Kanluwen wrote:
By "a new Wych character", I'm meaning a potential new type.
The video that GW dropped today showed off a Palatine for the Sororitas in full, and teased Ork, Drukhari, Skitarii, and Death Guard character models.

The "Wych" character has all the hallmarks of Lelith Hesperax, a finecast model. I expect it is her in plastic.

 alextroy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
By "a new Wych character", I'm meaning a potential new type.
The video that GW dropped today showed off a Palatine for the Sororitas in full, and teased Ork, Drukhari, Skitarii, and Death Guard character models.

The "Wych" character has all the hallmarks of Lelith Hesperax, a finecast model. I expect it is her in plastic.

Other than all the armor and clothing, I'd agree.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
By "a new Wych character", I'm meaning a potential new type.
The video that GW dropped today showed off a Palatine for the Sororitas in full, and teased Ork, Drukhari, Skitarii, and Death Guard character models.

The "Wych" character has all the hallmarks of Lelith Hesperax, a finecast model. I expect it is her in plastic.

Other than all the armor and clothing, I'd agree.

I can still see that being Lelith, it's not like they wouldn't make an armoured Lelith. If everyone can jump rocks nothing is impossible..

 Kanluwen wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
By the way, marines are also getting the HQ limitations.

Max 1 cap and 2 Lt per detachment.
Guess that they are coming for everyone then.

That sounds awful. Not everyone has the range of HQ's marines have. At this stage I'm down to 2 options I can use outside legends. (In terms of models I have not overall although some are in a worse place than Eldar).

There are some new HQs coming it looks like. One of them is definitely Drukhari--either Lelith Hesperax or a new Wych character.

There's not really any reason to think this will apply to other armies. Everyone moaned about endless marine rerolls, this is likely just a thing to combat that specifically.

ERJAK wrote:
There's not really any reason to think this will apply to other armies. Everyone moaned about endless marine rerolls, this is likely just a thing to combat that specifically.

I should hope that's not the idea, because it's not much of a solution. It's not like people were bringing multiple Chapter Masters in the first place.

 Galas wrote:
The Adeptus Mechanicus character looked like some kind of skitarii HQ.

That was my gut reaction to what we saw in the video, too.

Speaking of Death Guard characters, I wonder when SMH series 3 will get a release over here...

 catbarf wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
There's not really any reason to think this will apply to other armies. Everyone moaned about endless marine rerolls, this is likely just a thing to combat that specifically.

I should hope that's not the idea, because it's not much of a solution. It's not like people were bringing multiple Chapter Masters in the first place.

I didn't say it was a good solution.

pm713 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
By "a new Wych character", I'm meaning a potential new type.
The video that GW dropped today showed off a Palatine for the Sororitas in full, and teased Ork, Drukhari, Skitarii, and Death Guard character models.

The "Wych" character has all the hallmarks of Lelith Hesperax, a finecast model. I expect it is her in plastic.

Other than all the armor and clothing, I'd agree.

I can still see that being Lelith, it's not like they wouldn't make an armoured Lelith. If everyone can jump rocks nothing is impossible..

I did a slow pass on the video and noted: Small blade in hand; Super long hair; No shoes; Slightly less clothes than the average Wych. I'll be shocked if it isn't Lelith since she needs to get out of Finecast. I would be pleasantly surprised if we got a dual build kit like Dark Angels Master Lazarus, but I'm not holding my breath.

Spoletta wrote:
By the way, marines are also getting the HQ limitations.

Max 1 cap and 2 Lt per detachment.
Guess that they are coming for everyone then.

With the new detachments system it's no issue at all. Of all the 9th lists I've tried so far and all the list that I've just only though to play not a single one of them had 2 HQs of the same kind.

So all SM are getting a single book: is it going to be heavy like a bible with a thousand of pages (and a thousand of euro in cost) or every chapters just got a few pages with lots of options that just vanish? I mean, background pages aside, strategems for SW only between 8th codex and PA are 30+, most of them not shared with other chapters. Lots of unique units, traits, psyhic powers, relics, etc as well.

Seems like it's very much a solution to fluff issues that doesn't impact crunch as much as GW hope.

Atleast the chapter tactics haven't been made even more OP.

The book will have only the generic stuff and you keep using your old supplements with it.

In time, they will release new supplements.

Spoletta wrote:By the way, marines are also getting the HQ limitations.

Max 1 cap and 2 Lt per detachment.
Guess that they are coming for everyone then.

I like it. Felt odd to have multiple Captains in one detachment.

Dark Angels: 1) +1 to hit if the unit did not move in this turn and 2) something about Combat Attrition that I can't read, sorry.

is that really a thing? Seems a bit strong.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So Raven Guard get -1 to be hit and +1 to their armour save outside of 18 even when out in the open? Alpha Legion eat your heart out.

Great to see that loyalists are getting another round of updated chapter tactics while csm continue to be stuck with our outdated ones. Sorry, just had to add a little .

And it can be removed by someone having "ignores the effects of cover" on their weapon or unit...plus the Dense Terrain bonus only applies to Infantry keyworded units.

Right, so totally useless against IF, Iron Warriors, Noise Marines, and a few other random things. Guess Alpha Legion should be glad they get the -1 to be hit on their dreadnoughts and bikers. I don't really mind, I don't play Alpha Legion, and that shouldn't have been their legion trait in the first place. They never were the sneaky legion that got bonuses to cover saves and stealth in previous editions, that was The Eighth.

No, the new ignore cover is Ignore Light Cover so RG (and probably AL at some point) will still get the -1 to hit bonus for Dense Cover, just no + to save.

Spoletta wrote:
The book will have only the generic stuff and you keep using your old supplements with it.

In time, they will release new supplements.

There's a lot of stuff on the 8th codex though, with a single book it is very likely that I'll lose a significant amount of options.

nekooni wrote:
Dark Angels: 1) +1 to hit if the unit did not move in this turn and 2) something about Combat Attrition that I can't read, sorry.

is that really a thing? Seems a bit strong.

Might be reroll 1's which is what they have now maybe? +1 would be quicker though.

Dudeface wrote:

nekooni wrote:
Dark Angels: 1) +1 to hit if the unit did not move in this turn and 2) something about Combat Attrition that I can't read, sorry.

is that really a thing? Seems a bit strong.

Might be reroll 1's which is what they have now maybe? +1 would be quicker though.

well, and much stronger, considering that'd stack with a captain for basically full rerolls.

Yikes. We just got through not-fixing the fallout from supplements and they're already going at it.

This looks pretty gross. Raven Guard particularly, though IF & DA also deserve special mention.

nekooni wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

nekooni wrote:
Dark Angels: 1) +1 to hit if the unit did not move in this turn and 2) something about Combat Attrition that I can't read, sorry.

is that really a thing? Seems a bit strong.

Might be reroll 1's which is what they have now maybe? +1 would be quicker though.

well, and much stronger, considering that'd stack with a captain for basically full rerolls.

It would but given the new terrain rules and importance of moving to objectives it might not kick in that often.

Dudeface wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

nekooni wrote:
Dark Angels: 1) +1 to hit if the unit did not move in this turn and 2) something about Combat Attrition that I can't read, sorry.

is that really a thing? Seems a bit strong.

Might be reroll 1's which is what they have now maybe? +1 would be quicker though.

well, and much stronger, considering that'd stack with a captain for basically full rerolls.

It would but given the new terrain rules and importance of moving to objectives it might not kick in that often.

Yeah, but what you move is the capturing units that don't have that much firepower. You'll still have your Predators and such sitting elsewhere (eg your deployment zone) with a fire corridor pointing at an objective. If you're getting constantly shot off of the objectives you'll lose the primary objective for sure, it's not like killing something is no longer part of the game.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Yikes. We just got through not-fixing the fallout from supplements and they're already going at it.

This looks pretty gross. Raven Guard particularly, though IF & DA also deserve special mention.

IF has to be a mistake from the transcript. Why would CF be 1 extra hit and IF 2?

RG and DA though...