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tulun wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Bigdoza wrote:
Yeah I didnt buy a Mekboy shop when they came out because it was so insultingly bad then haha.

Let's all run right out and buy workshops now woooo.

Convert it. Don't reward gw for this blatant marketing thing. It was changed because workshop model　sells so badly

What are the rough dimensions?

~6,5" long, ~4,5" deep, ~3" high

Buggies largely didnt even use their kustomjobs, they were too minor or helped in ways that they didnt wanna do.

Surprisingly they didnt FAQ the Snazzwagon's to fix its profile, so it still a downgrade to use it
SJD's was neat but technically not needed. It was argued alot if you should even pay the cp for it since you're eating cp to jump it back anyway.
Scrapjet's melee is mediocre at best, a CP to double mediocre is still mediocre.
KBB's was redundant, unless it was hitting targets it shouldnt be hitting anyway (i.e. the KMB's targets) that mortal wound was kinda wasted. What we DID use was the Scorched Earth strat or whatever it was called, which isnt a kustom job thing.
Wartrike losing that range boost is the biggest slap in the face buggy-wise, that turned it actually useable before it insta-dies.

...yaknow now that i think about it the squigbuggy didnt have a kustom job did it lol...

So buggies largely unaffected by loss of kustomjobs. Its the walkers and battlewagons that are suffering.

RedNoak wrote:

i dont even care if it were good or not... i just want the OPTION to figure stuff out and try new things... AND THIS WOULDNT EVEN BE SO GODDAMN BAD IF THE STUPID MEKSHOP WASNT THE WORST UNIT IN THE ENTIRE GAME... you pay points to make units worse...

Well it's not quite so grim as you don't have to use ability and you get kustom job and occasionally mw. Knight has same ability, no mw and no kustom job. Eldar one also can be taken out leaving units die. So 3rd worst.

But still sucks.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Buggies largely didnt even use their kustomjobs, they were too minor or helped in ways that they didnt wanna do.

Surprisingly they didnt FAQ the Snazzwagon's to fix its profile, so it still a downgrade to use it
SJD's was neat but technically not needed. It was argued alot if you should even pay the cp for it since you're eating cp to jump it back anyway.
Scrapjet's melee is mediocre at best, a CP to double mediocre is still mediocre.
KBB's was redundant, unless it was hitting targets it shouldnt be hitting anyway (i.e. the KMB's targets) that mortal wound was kinda wasted. What we DID use was the Scorched Earth strat or whatever it was called, which isnt a kustom job thing.
Wartrike losing that range boost is the biggest slap in the face buggy-wise, that turned it actually useable before it insta-dies.

...yaknow now that i think about it the squigbuggy didnt have a kustom job did it lol...

So buggies largely unaffected by loss of kustomjobs. Its the walkers and battlewagons that are suffering.

Squig buggy was +1 to wound on its stuff. Still not good enough to make it better than a Mega Trakk.

I actually think 8 attacks with the Mega Trakk, with 2 hit and wound and damage rerolls, is better than all of these deff dreads people wanna build tbh. And given that the game is about midboard control, being able to charge in and try to contest an objective and be effective is not a bad thing. If it gets tied up, it can still fire the wing missile / big shootas too.

So its a loss, but as a shooting platform, its still solid.

But yeah. Agreed otherwise. Dreads and wagons and the wartrike got a massive dick punch.

Mek shop seems thst was intended... but I did feedback to Gw About ghaz not having supreme command keyword... in fact my email was basically why there is NO units in game with the supreme command keyword and surely ghaz would be the ork to have that keyword... as I think it’s intended for him to have it..

If they fix this ghaz goff list with bombers is a bit better...

gungo wrote:
Mek shop seems thst was intended... but I did feedback to Gw About ghaz not having supreme command keyword... in fact my email was basically why there is NO units in game with the supreme command keyword and surely ghaz would be the ork to have that keyword... as I think it’s intended for him to have it..

If they fix this ghaz goff list with bombers is a bit better...

no it was not...

form the community article:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/17/orks-da-new-rulezgw-homepage-post-3/?fbclid=IwAR3acyAFLky8PPsCp2aIEF1uyc1x2TCCTG6XHLCG5-H13wfv-hQtd6pfsss

or this one...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/01/onest-eds-kustom-jobs/?fbclid=IwAR2KOeely4Oy8OhhBqyOt-O8GVYgiKj07UaGhgiKhQsdqTbzPcuhYQfAfvc

RedNoak wrote:

gungo wrote:
Mek shop seems thst was intended... but I did feedback to Gw About ghaz not having supreme command keyword... in fact my email was basically why there is NO units in game with the supreme command keyword and surely ghaz would be the ork to have that keyword... as I think it’s intended for him to have it..

If they fix this ghaz goff list with bombers is a bit better...

no it was not...

form the community article:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/17/orks-da-new-rulezgw-homepage-post-3/?fbclid=IwAR3acyAFLky8PPsCp2aIEF1uyc1x2TCCTG6XHLCG5-H13wfv-hQtd6pfsss

Everyone send that clip in to the 40k faq... :\

gungo wrote:
Mek shop seems thst was intended... but I did feedback to Gw About ghaz not having supreme command keyword... in fact my email was basically why there is NO units in game with the supreme command keyword and surely ghaz would be the ork to have that keyword... as I think it’s intended for him to have it..

If they fix this ghaz goff list with bombers is a bit better...

It probably is intended.

But that just makes it even more of annoyance that we are the only faction in the game that have to buy a fortification with useless rules, Spend 85 points on that model just to unlock our PA Kustom Job rules.

And for that you get 1 Kustom job and have to pay precious CP to take another.

It's just.....I don't even.....

RedNoak wrote:

gungo wrote:
Mek shop seems thst was intended... but I did feedback to Gw About ghaz not having supreme command keyword... in fact my email was basically why there is NO units in game with the supreme command keyword and surely ghaz would be the ork to have that keyword... as I think it’s intended for him to have it..

If they fix this ghaz goff list with bombers is a bit better...

no it was not...

form the community article:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/17/orks-da-new-rulezgw-homepage-post-3/?fbclid=IwAR3acyAFLky8PPsCp2aIEF1uyc1x2TCCTG6XHLCG5-H13wfv-hQtd6pfsss

If only the community reps wrote our rules....
I’m not saying it’s not a valid argument to send in but the community reps have routinely wrote down rules completely wrong.

Anybody has the mail for complaining about the rule ?


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They just wrote on Facebook that they will send the information forward to the rules department. It MIGHT be a mistake

Also the The KFF mek is 80 points. No discussion about it

 Emicrania wrote:
Anybody has the mail for complaining about the rule ?


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They just wrote on Facebook that they will send the information forward to the rules department. It MIGHT be a mistake

Also the The KFF mek is 80 points. No discussion about it

my 5€ GW app seems to differ

By RAW it's 60.

It'll 100% be changed to 80. I would just play at 80 because you're gonna take that cost eventually.

When Gw official army builder is finally added and points appear to be wrong in it. I wonder what people are going to accept since the app is the official points and army builder...

I agree the new chapter approved should be the current points... however I think GW should just go the xwing route and make the app/free pdf of points the only source of points and stop monetizing chapters approved as pay fog pointd adjustments. It also allows Gw to make emergency point adjustments on the fly.

Huzah. Either it was error or GW backstepped due to feedback but the workshop answer was "error" and you don't need it after all.

Yus! Looks like we're back on da hype train ladz! In celebratory spirit I will put a kustom job on every single available unit in my next game

Jokes.

Excellent news. Christ.


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FAQ was overall good then? Ghaz gets advance and charge, Makari doesn't require Goffs.

Edit: No melee invul, but that seemed wrong anyway.

tneva82 wrote:
Huzah. Either it was error or GW backstepped due to feedback but the workshop answer was "error" and you don't need it after all.

Where does it say this? Still showing that is what they did.

 gmaleron wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Huzah. Either it was error or GW backstepped due to feedback but the workshop answer was "error" and you don't need it after all.

Where does it say this? Still showing that is what they did.

Melee KFF made no sense, even for orks it made no sense. I never played it that way as a result.

Only other thing missing from the FAQ is fixing the kustomjob for Snazzwagon so its a proper upgrade and not a legit downgrade lol...but they seem to have overlooked that one (or dont care)
I am not the greatest at dice math but i somehow doubt +6 shots at -1S and 1 less AP is "better" lol

Kustomjobs not requiring the mekshop is a massive load off my conscience...lol...

Now GW just needs to make a master list of all supreme commanders who gain that keyword!!!
There is not a single unit with that keyword and it makes no sense!!!

The snazzwagon kustom job is good (well, an improvement at least) if you're facing harlequins or non-nurgle daemons. As S4/5 has no impact at T3 and AP doesn't matter then.

But yeah, it's a terrible upgrade, it could've just been 15 shots at the normal stats and it wouldn't have been anything crazy good. Maybe then you'd actually see people bring 3 snazzwagons to maximise the kustom job though.

Oh i totally would have if they were 15 S5 Ap2 shots.
Thats punchy enough to hurt anything not vehicle or monster related at a good distance with a -1 to hit for protection. The issue isnt so much 9 shots isnt worth it, its that for the same price you get the KBB which has...basically just as many anti-chaff shots on top of the AP2 autocannon turret lol.
Had the KBB not existed, i could see some people running a snazz or two.
The snazz i own is just another KBB for me. They even look similar, minus the grot hood ornament lol

I'll take them at their word that the Kustom Job thing was honest mistake and not an attempted gouge of it's very loyal ork fanbase.that backfired.

It's something at least, will we be able to compete with marines on anything like an even footing? No.

But at least we can use our Saga of the Beast books for a bit longer.

I don’t like that the pincha is +3 to hit...
First off it’s fairly weak even if It did work for a single hit vs vehicles or monsters
Secondly you will NEVER see -2/-3 to hit in melee on a vehicle or monster!!!

oh right, the pincha didnt get swapped to WS2+ like the Rolla did...

Not that anybody used it anyway. If we could multi-kustomjob a wagon you'd see it alot i bet but otherwise....why are you using that? lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Melee KFF made no sense, even for orks it made no sense. I never played it that way as a result.

Only other thing missing from the FAQ is fixing the kustomjob for Snazzwagon so its a proper upgrade and not a legit downgrade lol...but they seem to have overlooked that one (or dont care)
I am not the greatest at dice math but i somehow doubt +6 shots at -1S and 1 less AP is "better" lol

Kustomjobs not requiring the mekshop is a massive load off my conscience...lol...

Well actual 9th ed point value for kff mek would be nice but that　has to wait ca faq

 Vineheart01 wrote:
oh right, the pincha didnt get swapped to WS2+ like the Rolla did...

Not that anybody used it anyway. If we could multi-kustomjob a wagon you'd see it alot i bet but otherwise....why are you using that? lol

It’s a cool idea and close to being usable as DS if it worked but I agree It could use something else like If it hits the vehicle or monster gets -1 to hit in melee making it a useful defensive melee weapon.
2+ to hit (Reroll hit)
Str 7 (reroll wound)
Ap -3
And d6 damage (Reroll damage)

A better kustom job for trukks would be making the trukk have ramshackle on a 3+... most durable trukk ever!!!


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So now that ghaz can advance and charge monsters how much better is he?
Squiggoth and garg squiggoth included...
You may be able to use unstoppable momentum with that list.

Man they saved their asses by the skin of their teeth

Jokes.

This battle rep is short, but the gear guts guy took like 13 Chinorks, the legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vG33wotFkA&feature=emb_title