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Warboss on warbike have not even 5 attacks, but also T7 for nice price tag 115pointa

Big Trakk became solid alternative to reguar Trukk! I love it, go to paint mine!

And Nob bikers still have the power staba. They removed all OOP weapons and models and keep the power staba there, despite the fact, they never produced it, nobody even knows, how does it looks like and what the hack it is...

 Tomsug wrote:
Warboss on warbike have not even 5 attacks, but also T7 for nice price tag 115pointa

Big Trakk became solid alternative to reguar Trukk! I love it, go to paint mine!

i am super sad about the loss of the Supa Scorcha as i bought a Big trakk with that weapon in mind. But i guess its good i also bought a Supa Kannon along side it.

I think its a bit weird now, in that it fights for its place in the rooster along side some battlewagon models. Thats why i liked the Supa Scorcha as it set it apart from battlewagons.

Now its just a different type of kannon wagon type ish.


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 Tomsug wrote:
Warboss on warbike have not even 5 attacks, but also T7 for nice price tag 115pointa

Big Trakk became solid alternative to reguar Trukk! I love it, go to paint mine!

And Nob bikers still have the power staba. They removed all OOP weapons and models and keep the power staba there, despite the fact, they never produced it, nobody even knows, how does it looks like and what the hack it is...

the power stabba comes in the regular nob kits? that weapon is still being made.

im also kinda saddened by the fact that the Zapp weapons are gone. If you played against custodes it would be pretty decent to have mortal wounds weapons.

My last information is, that it is not the power staba but some old creapy harpoon Weapon. No idea, not important. Skip it

Yeah, dead of supa skorcha makes me also sad, but now it seems, Big Trakk has finaly his niche - faster and more durable transport dealing some MW in charge.


What is very important question now - does it come some update on PA and CODEX books alongside with this book? A lot of custom jobs or strategems seems to be re-worded to fit this book. Squig tyres, pistons and bitz, some cultures... than it could be even more exciting.

 Tomsug wrote:
My last information is, that it is not the power staba but some old creapy harpoon Weapon. No idea, not important. Skip it

Yeah, dead of supa skorcha makes me also sad, but now it seems, Big Trakk has finaly his niche - faster and more durable transport dealing some MW in charge.


What is very important question now - does it come some update on PA and CODEX books alongside with this book? A lot of custom jobs or strategems seems to be re-worded to fit this book. Squig tyres, pistons and bitz, some cultures... than it could be even more exciting.

I completely forgot about the Spiked Ram ability for better melee chargings of the vehicle. thats actually a very good point. Ill put my Mega Nobz in this vehicle and my Nobz in my regular Trukk

And yes i hope when the codex hits, many things like Kustom Jobs that should work for forge world units do actually work for them, as well as specialist cultures. Tin eads should work for Mega/Meka Dreads for instance.

The harpoon is the powerstabba, originally it was just a cybork upgrade part that was mostly used to convert 'urty syringes for pain boyz

Kannonwagon for 170 hitting on 4+ seem to be a decent choice that pairs well with da boomer, either to hold your backfield or transport flash gits or tank bustas somewhere - unlike gunwagons, they have retained their open topped rule.


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Oh, and the squiggoth got a rather big points hike, probably kicking it out of competitive territory.

Dreads and grot tank and killtank seems to be buffed too, but I never played them, so hard comment... Definitely weapon buff and price drop.

Oh I see the reason for price drop of the Big Trakk - it is just 12 wounds (used to be 15)

Options:

Trukk 10” T6 W10 4+ for 65 points incl 1 big shoota
Big Trukk. 14“ T6 W12 4+ for 85 points with spiked ram dealing MW with charge. There are 2 big shootas (5p each) that should be in price, if I understand the head of the page with the points correctly. Or +10p??

Both have ramshackle and both have 12 transport capacity.

Damn I' m confused. What is and what is not in price?

I'm wondering if that's a copy paste issue from the older edition model of not having costs baked into the unit that they've gone back to.

But aside from the losses of the chinork, the supa skorcha for big trakks and a few small things here and there, it's actually been a good release for us boyz! Bring out the fungus beer, FW is back on the menu!

Also, with the WB on Bike now being T7 base, I'm tempted to see if giving him T8 and the Cybork Body and Biggest Boss upgrade would make him the tankiest HQ we've had since Ghazzy.

 Tomsug wrote:
Damn I' m confused. What is and what is not in price?

Basic load-out of the warboss is a killsaw (this is new), replacing it with a big choppa or powerklaw is free. He no longer has any shooting weapons besides the dakka guns, by the way.

This is how 9th edition calculates costs, Space Marines and Necrons are the same. Time to get used to it

Honestly, the Big Trakk is probably *better* now.

And this coming from the man who loved and used the Supa Skorcha.

It's base is 85 points with big shootas, 20 more than a trukk, and gains:

+2 wounds
+1 big shoota
RAM MORTALS.

I honesty think you can easily use Big Trakks as straight up subs for Trukks if you want to gain more mortals on the charge.

Also, Nob Bikers are now 5 point cheaper for whatever reason. I think they actually might have some play. 40 points for a single kill saw version, or 45 for the double...

So 115p for Warboss on Bike and 85 for Big Trakk with 2 big shootas? That' s fair price!


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Big Trakk is also faster. On other hand, he is Heavy Support. Crowded area imho...

Not in a buggy list, you basically just have one slot reserved for da boomer or mek guns.

Slots might be more of an issue with nob bikers, now that they compete with all the buggies and koptas.

My old 5th edition deathstar with 3 PK, two big choppas and a killsaw (former painboy) now clocks in at 260... that might actually be low enough to give them a try again.

So do these Nob Warbikers supercede the ones in our codex? Or can you take both? (Not that you would, just wondering if they'll write them out of the next codex now that FW has it covered).

 Jidmah wrote:
Not in a buggy list, you basically just have one slot reserved for da boomer or mek guns.

Slots might be more of an issue with nob bikers, now that they compete with all the buggies and koptas.

My old 5th edition deathstar with 3 PK, two big choppas and a killsaw (former painboy) now clocks in at 260... that might actually be low enough to give them a try again.

Dammnnnn I didn't notice that. Yeah, Nob Bikers are now FA.

That's rough. Elite slot was really UNCROWDED, and the FA slot is insanely crowded for the style of list they fit into.

I am super bullish on them, though. 40 ppm for 1 saw, 45 for 2. They seem legitimately interesting now?

 Grimskul wrote:
So do these Nob Warbikers supercede the ones in our codex? Or can you take both? (Not that you would, just wondering if they'll write them out of the next codex now that FW has it covered).

Newest datasheet wins.
It's fairly safe to assume that nob bikers will be gone from our next codex, the entire book is written in a way that it functions as an "add-on" to the codex. If a rule like ramshackle, dakkda³ or speedwaaagh! changes, the FW units will change in the same manner without errata being necessary.


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tulun wrote:
I am super bullish on them, though. 40 ppm for 1 saw, 45 for 2. They seem legitimately interesting now?

I don't think they can have pairs of saws - you can only replace the choppa.

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tulun wrote:
I am super bullish on them, though. 40 ppm for 1 saw, 45 for 2. They seem legitimately interesting now?

I don't think they can have pairs of saws - you can only replace the choppa.

That appears to be right, and sort of makes sense, given they are driving a bike.

Oh well. Still very interesting imo. Having mobile Kill Saws will definitely do work. Mega Nobs are great, but delivery will always be an issue.

Cool, good to see Nob Bikers actually be a thing again after how many editions.

Also, glad to see Ramshackle spreading more around as a vehicle faction rule. I suspect we'll be seeing the rest of our Ork vehicles getting the same treatment once our 9th ed codex gets released.

Also, 3 kill tanks each with heavy 30 is 275 points... 825 for the triple.

At 24", they hit on a 4+.

That actually seems... alright? Like, not GT winning, but really decent beerhammer stuff.

I will definitly get kill tanks now that they are much cheaper.

Kustom stompa is also stock 800 points or so

 Grimskul wrote:
Cool, good to see Nob Bikers actually be a thing again after how many editions.

They never went anywhere? Besides being overcosted so nobody took them, which it doesn't look like this changes while adding in the problem of moving them to an extremely competitive FO slot.

Madjob wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Cool, good to see Nob Bikers actually be a thing again after how many editions.

They never went anywhere? Besides being overcosted so nobody took them, which it doesn't look like this changes while adding in the problem of moving them to an extremely competitive FO slot.

I think the FO thing is a bigger deal, but if you go Outrider, you can always take them instead of say.. Deff Koptas.

Honestly, although they aren't as competitive as the SM version, I think 40 points for a self delivering Kill Saw Nob is worth looking at. Yeah, Mega Nobs are better *if* they get into combat, but they suffer from needing something to get them there.

So the point differential is actually a lot higher than it looks. Frankly, nob bikers w/ a 14" move can potentially deliver themselves into combat even without a nearby Bike boss / Wartrike. They also keep their chaff clearing guns.

In a buggy / mechanized style list, I think you could easily justify giving them a look see.

I am very happy about these changes. I have a few models and kitbashed a lot more FW stuff, I can now run them without feeling like I'm conceding turn 0. Shame about the Chinork, Supa-Skorcha, and Supa-Lobbas.
Dual wielding Lifta Droppas on a Kustom Stompa sounds like a lot of fun and I'm going to do it next chance I get. Mega and Meka dreads are interesting looking, I'm not a fan of the kill kannon but 2x rippa klaws on either of them could do some work. Grot Tanks and Grot Mega-Tanks getting buffs is a dream come true for me. They won't outperform Mek Gunz for shooting, but there might be some value in them now that they're more reliable. I'm also excited for Buzzgob to have rules that make sense and his new ability to buff dreads is exciting for me.
Oh yeah getting the Warboss on Warbike with a minor buff is kinda huge.

Madjob wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Cool, good to see Nob Bikers actually be a thing again after how many editions.

They never went anywhere? Besides being overcosted so nobody took them, which it doesn't look like this changes while adding in the problem of moving them to an extremely competitive FO slot.

I meant competitively speaking. Not that they came back as a datasheet. Like you said, they basically paid the price of being at the top of the competitive meta for a while in 5th edition until Leafblower and Ward Grey Knights came in full force, since their 6th-7th ed renditions basically were garbage compared to regular bikers which repeated again in 8th.

i feel like both squig/gargsquig got unfairly nerfed. Theyre both REALLY expensive for what they do, the gargsquig basically lost a ton of bigshootas/2nd big gun and remained the same cost for some reason (gained a 3+ save but meh).

But everything else looks really good. Im excited to use grottanks again

Glad to see my forgeworld mekboss, warboss on bike, mega/mekadread (1 model I can use as either) and nob bikers are all still decent and usable...

I don’t own a supa kannon and I’m not sure it’s better then the gunwagon boomer.. while it’s only 5+ bs it has substantially more shots.
I never chased the units I couldn’t proxy as something else... so no squiggoths or killtanks or kustom stompas Or chinorks for me.
I did get kommando upgrade and half trakk mostly cause I can use them as kommandos and trukks.

So overall the only competitive unit in the fw book for us is the warboss on bike
Nob bikers are still over costed
Suppa kannon wagon is still worse the. Da boomer
Mekboss buzzgrob is nice for dread lists which still suck
And the mega dread is still worse then a deff dread or gorkanaut
The meka dread May have a use for kff bubble but unlikely but I’m still going to try to get mekadread w killakannon and kff to work

The warboss on bike is just a better version of wartrike...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Does anyone know some good tactics channels or blogs for advice on orks in 9th? Going to try and get back into my orks since our group needs more xenos players and am kind of stumped on where to start. Rather than spam the thread with a bunch of questions or read through 20 pages of the thread was hoping to find somewhere to at least learn the basics of 9th ed orks and go from there.

Auspex Tactics on youtube is my go to choice for 40k tactics, his voice is a little monotone but he's well worth following.

Beardedragon wrote:
I will definitly get kill tanks now that they are much cheaper.

Kustom stompa is also stock 800 points or so

Simply put, don't. They still are bad units, and one of the three tanks that originally existed has already been squatted.

Guessing the nobs on warbikes will need a FAQ. In their new datasheet they cant have a pair of killsaws or any kombi weapon, but then in the pts section its listed as options.

 Jidmah wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
I will definitly get kill tanks now that they are much cheaper.

Kustom stompa is also stock 800 points or so

Simply put, don't. They still are bad units, and one of the three tanks that originally existed has already been squatted.

The kill tanks are still bad at 275? I would assume they could work now.

For 275 points you get a tank that can potentially hit on 4s instead of 5s, have either 3D6 str.10, -3 AP shots for 3 dmg each, or 30 str 6 -2ap shots for 1 dmg each (cant remember if either of those 2 gun weapons had an extra cost). Furthermore it also has a pretty decent melee value. and a 24 wounds + self repairs.

Would you mind explaining to me why its bad? because i dont think i understand whats so bad about it. It seems like it has quite a lot of firepower, and it even has melee to defend itself. Comparing it to a gorkanaut which is like 340 points, it seem to have more firepower at range, but less firepower at CC. How ever it IS a Lord of War.. Which i guess might make it terrible if I gotta waste CP on it. I guess that sort of makes it bad.

I at least will give it a try at a point, the model is pretty cool too. but then again, it will be a while before i get to a point where ill get one. Im in the process of converting Grot tanks to Mek Gunz, and i just bought some Grots for that, + i bought some Killa Kanz i gotta create and paint (doesnt matter if they are trash, the models are amazing).


About the kustom Stompa, im not interested in Stompas, not the normal ones, not the kustom ones. but i figured at 800 points, maybe someone who already owned a kustom stompa might be interested in it.

On a side note, how come the Kill tank is a Lord of War and has titanic keyword when its cheaper than a Gorkanaut, who does not have titanic keyword and is not a Lord of War? Thats odd.
Maybe the Gorkanaut/morkanaut will be cheaper in our Codex when it comes out.

I can't believe how completely the Warboss on Bike outclasses the Wartrike now. It's 10 points cheaper, gets Speedwaaagh! which is the main reason people brought a Wartrike, same number of attacks, +1 S, +1 Ld, only sacrificing one wound - which they can get back along with an extra attack and a 4++ thanks to having the Warboss keyword still.