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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So does Tesla = More shots in 9th? No more exploding dice?

I'm pretty sure it's sticking around, the Carbine is still the same profile. They just buffed the larger weapons since they have been really bad in 8th.

Wow the doom scythe look awesome! I’ve always wanted a flying croissant so totally picking one up now.

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So does Tesla = More shots in 9th? No more exploding dice?

I'm pretty sure it's sticking around, the Carbine is still the same profile. They just buffed the larger weapons since they have been really bad in 8th.

I think it's going away. The 3 for 1 on 20 shots would be insane. The net hits without it is still way higher --

(8 * .167 * 3) + (8 * .666) = 9.3
20 * .666 = 13.3

(unless they're counting it as a twin with 5 each instead of 4 each).

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I think it's going away. The 3 for 1 on 20 shots would be insane. The net hits without it is still way higher --

(8 * .167 * 3) + (8 * .666) = 9.3
20 * .666 = 13.3

(unless they're counting it as a twin with 5 each instead of 4 each).

10 shots total, not 20.

Look at the tesla carbine on immortals and do some deductive reasoning about whether exploding 6's are staying.

Edit: Also, it's (8 * .167 * 3) + (8 * .5) = 8. --->6's don't cause 4 hits.

Mchagen wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I think it's going away. The 3 for 1 on 20 shots would be insane. The net hits without it is still way higher --

(8 * .167 * 3) + (8 * .666) = 9.3
20 * .666 = 13.3

(unless they're counting it as a twin with 5 each instead of 4 each).

10 shots total, not 20.

Look at the tesla carbine on immortals and do some deductive reasoning about whether exploding 6's are staying.

Edit: Also, it's (8 * .167 * 3) + (8 * .5) = 8. --->6's don't cause 4 hits.

Gotcha. The old sheet present it as two separate weapons so it makes sense that its just one combined weapon with 10 shots.

Nvm.

If exploding 6 stay, this will indeed be a vehicle killer. I'm liking this. Necrons spent way too much time at the bottom of the trash tier in 8th,

The two tesla destructors don't become vehicle killers with 2 more shots.

It's still a relatively weak weapon with no punching power in an on-going game version where most decent vehicles have a 3+ save. The reason why it was good pre-8th was due to its potential for multiple glancing hits. Now it just bounces off vehicles.

It didn't shift into the new edition very well and I don't think this change is the right direction to improve it. It should have been made into a light-vehicle destroyer, but all this does is make it more anti light infantry.

People always bash on Tesla... I’m sitting here looking at my doom scythes and annihilation barges cackling with glee
They are way stronger than people give them credit for.
Granted with mephrit

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So does Tesla = More shots in 9th? No more exploding dice?

Unlikely. There wouldn't be special rule for that on here because EVERY special rule is missing.

You can't really play with these datasheets. No points, no special rules. It's useful only for leaks and for kids to play without codexes just throwing in models what they happen to have around.


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 cuda1179 wrote:
If exploding 6 stay, this will indeed be a vehicle killer. I'm liking this. Necrons spent way too much time at the bottom of the trash tier in 8th,

10 S7 AP0 shots...Gee what an awesome firepower! Average 10 hits! Against leman russ let's say you get lucky and score 4 wounds! (3.333 actually). He gets 3+ save! Yey! We score somewhere between 1 and 2 wounds.

VEHICLES BEWARE

Rhino? Somewhat under 2.

What an awesome firepower! I'm going to run over those tank companies!

Have wanted to like Tesla destructors (and the annihilation barge in general - like a lot of "smaller" vehicles) through 8th and I'm afraid they have just been mediocre at best. The idea they are going to be much better with 2 more shots is hard to credit (although would be nice to see cannon stats.)

They are okay at killing expensive one wound infantry - but so is just about every gun in the game. I think they needed two damage, or at least AP-1.

Not just 2 more shots, 12" more range as well.
You can now use the annihilation barge as a long ranged suppression unit and kite the enemy like the Eldar can.

From memory, didn't the new Monolith get 4 Death Rays? So, potentially 12 shots, S12, 4-6 Damage, AP-4? Unless they're a lesser version of the same weapon...

Seems to be the case, yeah.

Want my Codex now, dammit!

Mchagen wrote:
The two tesla destructors don't become vehicle killers with 2 more shots.

It's still a relatively weak weapon with no punching power in an on-going game version where most decent vehicles have a 3+ save. The reason why it was good pre-8th was due to its potential for multiple glancing hits. Now it just bounces off vehicles.

It didn't shift into the new edition very well and I don't think this change is the right direction to improve it. It should have been made into a light-vehicle destroyer, but all this does is make it more anti light infantry.

I don't really understand the reasoning - are you talking Doom Scythe or Night Scythe?

I agree that the lightning isn't going to be doing much against tanks (and I'm not sure why people are suddenly making that argument) but that's what the Death ray is for - the Tesla if for clearing out the little units camping on back field objectives as your zoom across the table. IMO it benefits from having both guns for different targets because you're passing over everything so fast.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

Mchagen wrote:
The two tesla destructors don't become vehicle killers with 2 more shots.

It's still a relatively weak weapon with no punching power in an on-going game version where most decent vehicles have a 3+ save. The reason why it was good pre-8th was due to its potential for multiple glancing hits. Now it just bounces off vehicles.

It didn't shift into the new edition very well and I don't think this change is the right direction to improve it. It should have been made into a light-vehicle destroyer, but all this does is make it more anti light infantry.

I don't really understand the reasoning - are you talking Doom Scythe or Night Scythe?

I agree that the lightning isn't going to be doing much against tanks (and I'm not sure why people are suddenly making that argument) but that's what the Death ray is for - the Tesla if for clearing out the little units camping on back field objectives as your zoom across the table. IMO it benefits from having both guns for different targets because you're passing over everything so fast.

What reasoning? I only mentioned tesla destructors. The weapon profile, not a specific unit.

It could be that they want to keep the destructor as anti-light infantry.

I would have liked the destructor to have D2, but we seem to be getting a lot more heavy weapons now, so it doesn't really matter.

Mchagen wrote:

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

Mchagen wrote:
The two tesla destructors don't become vehicle killers with 2 more shots.

It's still a relatively weak weapon with no punching power in an on-going game version where most decent vehicles have a 3+ save. The reason why it was good pre-8th was due to its potential for multiple glancing hits. Now it just bounces off vehicles.

It didn't shift into the new edition very well and I don't think this change is the right direction to improve it. It should have been made into a light-vehicle destroyer, but all this does is make it more anti light infantry.

I don't really understand the reasoning - are you talking Doom Scythe or Night Scythe?

I agree that the lightning isn't going to be doing much against tanks (and I'm not sure why people are suddenly making that argument) but that's what the Death ray is for - the Tesla if for clearing out the little units camping on back field objectives as your zoom across the table. IMO it benefits from having both guns for different targets because you're passing over everything so fast.

What reasoning? I only mentioned tesla destructors. The weapon profile, not a specific unit.

Sorry - I misread - it sounded like you were making a case that the unit as a whole (with it's gun) wasn't doing what it needed to be doing.
The Night scythe is obviously doing a very different job than the Doom Scythe - so I could understand if someone had made the argument that the tesla is not a good fit to pair with the death ray.
You're right - the tesla doesn't suddenly become good against vehicles just because it got 2 more shots. It just got slightly better at doing what it was already doing - personally I think that's fine it didn't need to be, and doesn't need to be another tank killing gun.

 Sasori wrote:
Ya'll need go look at the picture blown up.

It is clearly not a part of the model when you look at it close up. even in the larger picture you can see the back of the model and the curved backplate and the orb does not fit.

EDIT: If you click on the image, it doesn't seem to line up with it being on the backplate of the model. Unless it's got something very weird going on behind it, it looks like it's a part of the background.

Looks like team "it was clearly a part of the model" were correct. See the outline on the left.

So who think a this will be a dual-build kit with The Skoropekh Destroyer Lord?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So who think a this will be a dual-build kit with The Skoropekh Destroyer Lord?

I did, right from the get go.

I'm not as sure, because we only have the EZ build Lord to compare it to (so we can't compare the rubble behind the back leg, for example), but it still seems likely.

I'm hesitant to think it's a 'lord'. They just refer to it as a "Hexmark Destroyer".

Might be an Elite choice.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm hesitant to think it's a 'lord'. They just refer to it as a "Hexmark Destroyer".

Might be an Elite choice.

They confirmed it is an elite choice, and a character.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So who think a this will be a dual-build kit with The Skoropekh Destroyer Lord?

I don't think so. It seems like the Skorpekh Lord is a bit larger than him, and I don't think we are going to be getting regular kits for most of our ETB stuff.

The Hexmark doesn't really seem like he fits on a 60 MM base either.

Get the impression other people like it, so maybe it will grow on me, but I didn't like it in the reveal, and its not doing anything more for me now.

The model looks messy and 6 guns *cos hexagon yeah* is just... kind of stupid conceptually.

"I've been trained in your pistol arts by Billy the Nid".

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm hesitant to think it's a 'lord'. They just refer to it as a "Hexmark Destroyer".

Might be an Elite choice.

Def a Elite choice but also a character - mentioned on live stream

That must have been when I had to take a call then. Good to know!

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Ya'll need go look at the picture blown up.

It is clearly not a part of the model when you look at it close up. even in the larger picture you can see the back of the model and the curved backplate and the orb does not fit.

EDIT: If you click on the image, it doesn't seem to line up with it being on the backplate of the model. Unless it's got something very weird going on behind it, it looks like it's a part of the background.

Looks like team "it was clearly a part of the model" were correct. See the outline on the left.

Yep!

If you bothered to read my follow on, I even said I wasn't sure anymore just a few responses lower in the thread, though I'm sure this brought you great satisfaction to prove someone wrong on the internet!
Looks quite cool.

Just in case anyone still thought horde was viable in 9th we get this guy to mow down 30 orks a turn

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Just in case anyone still thought horde was viable in 9th we get this guy to mow down 30 orks a turn

I'm hoping he ends up Damage 2, so that he actually has a chance of killing smaller marine squads.

Though with all the other Enmitic Weapons being Ap -1 and Damage 1 I don't have much hope.

The Hexmark looks like a videogame boss with a glowing weakspot on his back.