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2020/09/23 20:23:43
Subject: Re:Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
That's obviously just a Photoshopped picture of the new Heavy Intercessors.
Yep. The guy who did the photoshop even put his handle in the upper right corner.
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2020/09/23 21:04:05
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
BroodSpawn wrote: Not showing the 4/5 model kits that we expect to be coming at some point yet gives them more to show us later. I expect the Necron release to be split much like the Sisters was, so holding off on showing anything for them right now doesn't seem like too bad a concept.
Considering there is still a huge range refresh happening, splitting releases in this way works for me.
?? What gives you the idea that there is a split release happening?
This seems one and done with the codex (with some kits the week or two after).
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2020/09/23 22:46:26
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Danit wrote: I mean monolith needs a replacement, that thing is hell to put together
Well we are getting one "soon" though interestingly its perhaps one of the biggest new iconic models and yet I don't think we've had an article on it yet.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: They said the destroyers are sub divided into four types, Lokhust being one of them. We already know what the other three are.
Therefore, the destroyers from previous editions have been effectively replaced by Lokhusts.
Also, I noticed something odd about the wording for the destroyer rules: can I only reroll a single die that scored a one, or can I reroll all ones?
I don't think the intent is say "lol can't use your old destroyers" this is just GW adding a subtype name to the destroyers we know, as they roll out 3 additional varients of destroyers.
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2020/09/24 00:33:08
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Danit wrote: I mean monolith needs a replacement, that thing is hell to put together
Well we are getting one "soon" though interestingly its perhaps one of the biggest new iconic models and yet I don't think we've had an article on it yet.
The close up pictures were in one the previews.
Its a blackrock fabrege egg now.
Probably won't have the same assembly problems as the old one (holding 4 flat panels together that warped in transit or manufacturing), but it looks like it will need to be built and painted in at least three layers.
I thinks its way too busy to be honest.
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2020/09/24 06:35:28
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
BroodSpawn wrote: Not showing the 4/5 model kits that we expect to be coming at some point yet gives them more to show us later. I expect the Necron release to be split much like the Sisters was, so holding off on showing anything for them right now doesn't seem like too bad a concept.
Considering there is still a huge range refresh happening, splitting releases in this way works for me.
?? What gives you the idea that there is a split release happening?
This seems one and done with the codex (with some kits the week or two after).
He didn't say it's split for sure. But good odds. And it's sheer # of kits that are coming. GW doing big releases in split isn't that unusual. Sisters got 16 kits and had not much to use and got split into 3 waves with 2 months between wave 2 and 3.
It would not be weird at all for necrons to have split releases.
Warriors
reanimator
skorpek destroyers
skorpek lord
3(?) new cryptek's
6 pistol guy
new "wraiths"
new monolith
silet king
void dragon
That's already 12 kits and I'm sure there's more besides that.
GW lives and dies by impulse purchases. They don't want to dilute releases as it's the first few months that determine basically how many kits they sell of each new releaseses. Release too many and they are eating each other's sales.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2020/09/24 11:25:50
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
BroodSpawn wrote: Not showing the 4/5 model kits that we expect to be coming at some point yet gives them more to show us later. I expect the Necron release to be split much like the Sisters was, so holding off on showing anything for them right now doesn't seem like too bad a concept.
Considering there is still a huge range refresh happening, splitting releases in this way works for me.
?? What gives you the idea that there is a split release happening?
This seems one and done with the codex (with some kits the week or two after).
I'm basing it on the Sisters release. And Lumineth. Both were split releases
Half the kits at launch, other half of the kits 3-ish months later.
Or do you honestly expect everything to drop (Warriors, 3-4 non-character destroyer kits, monolith, Silent King, terrain, flayed ones, at least 3+ infantry-ish character kits) to drop over the same release weeks as the Marines and at the same time?
2020/09/24 12:18:13
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Sisters had 3 (or 4?) release waves counting the army box. Lumineth 2 I think, counting the army box. Updated Necrons having 3 (including Indomitus/New Edition starter) doesn't seem far-fetched
Now if you want to decide that the army boxes don't count as a release wave then that's on you. But that seems like we're quibbling over something small.
I still stand by - the amount of kits coming suggests a split (or break between) release wave(s)
2020/09/24 13:29:51
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Luminoth, Necrons and Marines are all getting fragmented releases because of Corona. It's messed up a lot of the original release plans and its very clear that they are not coming out as GW intended. I suspect Luminoth would have had their regular batteltome and model release quite soon after their launch box.
Meanwhile Necrons and Marines were likely meant to get their new codex probably a week or two after Indomitus along with an initial wave of models. October was likely also a release month for them, but likely providing a second wave rather than being the main wave. WE don't even know if they are getting everything in October or if its going to be a partial load of models along with the codex with a further release later in the year (December) or into 2021.
Suffice to say this years releases have been a mess due to the world pandemic and its potentially going to happen again if/when the uk locksdown.
BroodSpawn wrote: Not showing the 4/5 model kits that we expect to be coming at some point yet gives them more to show us later. I expect the Necron release to be split much like the Sisters was, so holding off on showing anything for them right now doesn't seem like too bad a concept.
Considering there is still a huge range refresh happening, splitting releases in this way works for me.
?? What gives you the idea that there is a split release happening?
This seems one and done with the codex (with some kits the week or two after).
I'm basing it on the Sisters release. And Lumineth. Both were split releases
Half the kits at launch, other half of the kits 3-ish months later.
Or do you honestly expect everything to drop (Warriors, 3-4 non-character destroyer kits, monolith, Silent King, terrain, flayed ones, at least 3+ infantry-ish character kits) to drop over the same release weeks as the Marines and at the same time?
Yep. Because they've only mentioned October when talking about this release. There might be some bleedover Into November but not much (because only the preorder date counts, as we've been reminded before, and October has a lot of Saturdays just by the way the calendar falls)
I think GW wants to get this stuff out and get back to something approximating their release schedule.
And... Warriors are likely to be just the indomitus sprues in a box.
Destroyers are 1 ez build kit for the heavy, the ophidians, and quite probably reboxing the skorpekh sprue. And they may not even do that. I won't be entirely surprised to see a chunk of indomitus get thrown into a 'start collecting' and those unit not get individual boxes, much like the EZ chaos warriors last year.
Characters are simple, they're traditionally tagalongs anyway. There are a couple other kits you didn't list, but 2, maybe 3 Saturday's will do it. The only thing that would stop GW from releasing things this way is if they really want to get something else out.
Marines are easier, since anything that doesn't fit in immediately in a week or two can come alongside the supplements that follow.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2020/09/24 15:13:01
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
BroodSpawn wrote: Not showing the 4/5 model kits that we expect to be coming at some point yet gives them more to show us later. I expect the Necron release to be split much like the Sisters was, so holding off on showing anything for them right now doesn't seem like too bad a concept.
Considering there is still a huge range refresh happening, splitting releases in this way works for me.
?? What gives you the idea that there is a split release happening?
This seems one and done with the codex (with some kits the week or two after).
I'm basing it on the Sisters release. And Lumineth. Both were split releases
Half the kits at launch, other half of the kits 3-ish months later.
Or do you honestly expect everything to drop (Warriors, 3-4 non-character destroyer kits, monolith, Silent King, terrain, flayed ones, at least 3+ infantry-ish character kits) to drop over the same release weeks as the Marines and at the same time?
Yep. Because they've only mentioned October when talking about this release. There might be some bleedover Into November but not much (because only the preorder date counts, as we've been reminded before, and October has a lot of Saturdays just by the way the calendar falls)
I think GW wants to get this stuff out and get back to something approximating their release schedule.
And... Warriors are likely to be just the indomitus sprues in a box.
Destroyers are 1 ez build kit for the heavy, the ophidians, and quite probably reboxing the skorpekh sprue. And they may not even do that. I won't be entirely surprised to see a chunk of indomitus get thrown into a 'start collecting' and those unit not get individual boxes, much like the EZ chaos warriors last year.
Characters are simple, they're traditionally tagalongs anyway. There are a couple other kits you didn't list, but 2, maybe 3 Saturday's will do it. The only thing that would stop GW from releasing things this way is if they really want to get something else out.
Marines are easier, since anything that doesn't fit in immediately in a week or two can come alongside the supplements that follow.
I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread that I genuinely worry that we'll see marines spread over the supplements. It makes no difference really, its the same number of kits, but the complaining both for both having to wait 2-3 months for kits and "OMG ANOTHER MARINE RELEASE WEEK IT'S BEEN 3 MONTHS" will be unbearable.
2020/09/24 15:57:23
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Mr_Rose wrote: Then by that measure, Newcrons have had a split release; first Indomitus then the starters, now finally the codex and more new things.
But that is not what is typically thought of as a split release.
Sob had starter set and then 3 waves, 2 months between 2nd and 3rd.
So even without starter box it was 3 waves with comparable kit count and without being intermingled with marines with just as many if not more kits at around same time
BroodSpawn wrote: Not showing the 4/5 model kits that we expect to be coming at some point yet gives them more to show us later. I expect the Necron release to be split much like the Sisters was, so holding off on showing anything for them right now doesn't seem like too bad a concept.
Considering there is still a huge range refresh happening, splitting releases in this way works for me.
?? What gives you the idea that there is a split release happening?
This seems one and done with the codex (with some kits the week or two after).
I'm basing it on the Sisters release. And Lumineth. Both were split releases
Half the kits at launch, other half of the kits 3-ish months later.
Or do you honestly expect everything to drop (Warriors, 3-4 non-character destroyer kits, monolith, Silent King, terrain, flayed ones, at least 3+ infantry-ish character kits) to drop over the same release weeks as the Marines and at the same time?
Yep. Because they've only mentioned October when talking about this release. There might be some bleedover Into November but not much (because only the preorder date counts, as we've been reminded before, and October has a lot of Saturdays just by the way the calendar falls)
I think GW wants to get this stuff out and get back to something approximating their release schedule.
And... Warriors are likely to be just the indomitus sprues in a box.
Destroyers are 1 ez build kit for the heavy, the ophidians, and quite probably reboxing the skorpekh sprue. And they may not even do that. I won't be entirely surprised to see a chunk of indomitus get thrown into a 'start collecting' and those unit not get individual boxes, much like the EZ chaos warriors last year.
Characters are simple, they're traditionally tagalongs anyway. There are a couple other kits you didn't list, but 2, maybe 3 Saturday's will do it. The only thing that would stop GW from releasing things this way is if they really want to get something else out.
Marines are easier, since anything that doesn't fit in immediately in a week or two can come alongside the supplements that follow.
With sob they mentioned january. Didn't mean all came in january...gw unsurprisingly opted to maximize sales
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2020/09/24 17:11:17
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Tyel wrote: Its strange, the Hexmark has grown on me. The Silent King has not.
I’m largely fine with his model, could be a bit more distinctive. Maybe give him a nice deathmask or something.
What I’m not fine with is the incomprehensible extent to which they’re mangling his lore so far.
yeah, a mega maniac with delusions of godhood? At what part of his lore has that ever happened? And he should be holding a deathmask. Of gold.... that looks like a certain fallen Primarch.
Definitely raised an eyebrow reading his lore.
Just didn't seem to fit with everything we know about the Silent King so far. Kinda cool his cloak is flayed c'tan though.
As for the whole Blood Angel/mask of the primarch shtick, I think it was revealed he hadn't met Sanguinius and was just trying to manipulate the Blood Angels. The whole timeline doesn't work, since he wouldn't have been in the galaxy when the primarchs were still around.
2020/09/24 18:44:49
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
BroodSpawn wrote: Not showing the 4/5 model kits that we expect to be coming at some point yet gives them more to show us later. I expect the Necron release to be split much like the Sisters was, so holding off on showing anything for them right now doesn't seem like too bad a concept.
Considering there is still a huge range refresh happening, splitting releases in this way works for me.
?? What gives you the idea that there is a split release happening?
This seems one and done with the codex (with some kits the week or two after).
I'm basing it on the Sisters release. And Lumineth. Both were split releases
Half the kits at launch, other half of the kits 3-ish months later.
Or do you honestly expect everything to drop (Warriors, 3-4 non-character destroyer kits, monolith, Silent King, terrain, flayed ones, at least 3+ infantry-ish character kits) to drop over the same release weeks as the Marines and at the same time?
Yep. Because they've only mentioned October when talking about this release. There might be some bleedover Into November but not much (because only the preorder date counts, as we've been reminded before, and October has a lot of Saturdays just by the way the calendar falls)
I think GW wants to get this stuff out and get back to something approximating their release schedule.
And... Warriors are likely to be just the indomitus sprues in a box.
Destroyers are 1 ez build kit for the heavy, the ophidians, and quite probably reboxing the skorpekh sprue. And they may not even do that. I won't be entirely surprised to see a chunk of indomitus get thrown into a 'start collecting' and those unit not get individual boxes, much like the EZ chaos warriors last year.
Characters are simple, they're traditionally tagalongs anyway. There are a couple other kits you didn't list, but 2, maybe 3 Saturday's will do it. The only thing that would stop GW from releasing things this way is if they really want to get something else out.
Marines are easier, since anything that doesn't fit in immediately in a week or two can come alongside the supplements that follow.
I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread that I genuinely worry that we'll see marines spread over the supplements. It makes no difference really, its the same number of kits, but the complaining both for both having to wait 2-3 months for kits and "OMG ANOTHER MARINE RELEASE WEEK IT'S BEEN 3 MONTHS" will be unbearable.
I'm kind of resigned to the reality that there will be giants, necrons, marines and Death Guard*, and that's it for the rest of 2020. And then Dark Angels and finally something new in 'early 2021.'
*and DG may just be the book and one character.
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GaroRobe wrote: Definitely raised an eyebrow reading his lore.
Just didn't seem to fit with everything we know about the Silent King so far. Kinda cool his cloak is flayed c'tan though.
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Yeah, I though the SK blurb in the last codex was that after biotransference, he slunk off embarassed and ashamed of what he'd done to his species. And now he wants to (somehow) switch back and is super scared the tyranids will eat everything first.
Thus was the Silent King’s order given, and as the last tomb world sealed its vaults, he destroyed the command protocols by which he had controlled his people, for he knew he had failed them utterly. Without a backward glance, Szarekh, last of the Silent Kings, sailed into the blackness of intergalactic space, there to find whatever measure of solace or penance he could.
This does not fit with the theme of hubris and 'insane megalomaniac with aspirations of godhood'
Granted, I didn't care about the SK then, and I still don't now, but I can't figure out how they went from what was essentially a twisted redemption arc to 'lol, another mad alien overlord!!!'
Voluntarily destroying the commands that gave him absolute control of his species absolutely does not fit with insane megalomania.
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2020/09/24 19:22:41
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Tyel wrote: Its strange, the Hexmark has grown on me. The Silent King has not.
I’m largely fine with his model, could be a bit more distinctive. Maybe give him a nice deathmask or something.
What I’m not fine with is the incomprehensible extent to which they’re mangling his lore so far.
How did they ruin his lore?
"insane megalomaniac with aspirations of godhood."
Megalomaniac? Didn't he willingly destroy most of the controls he would have had over other necrons and exile himself for the galaxy?
Aspirations of godhood was never part of the Silent King's lore, as far as I'm aware. And we already have the necron wanting to be a god in the form of the Illuminor. It's just a weird description of the SK and just seems to contradict everything we've known so far.
2020/09/24 19:50:18
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Tyel wrote: Its strange, the Hexmark has grown on me. The Silent King has not.
I’m largely fine with his model, could be a bit more distinctive. Maybe give him a nice deathmask or something.
What I’m not fine with is the incomprehensible extent to which they’re mangling his lore so far.
How did they ruin his lore?
"insane megalomaniac with aspirations of godhood."
Megalomaniac? Didn't he willingly destroy most of the controls he would have had over other necrons and exile himself for the galaxy?
Aspirations of godhood was never part of the Silent King's lore, as far as I'm aware. And we already have the necron wanting to be a god in the form of the Illuminor. It's just a weird description of the SK and just seems to contradict everything we've known so far.
The silent king is effectively... He’s like if the Emperor survived his long string of screw ups intact, went into a long period of reflective seclusion then came back to deal with a threat he couldn’t ignore.
So he absolutely shouldn’t be characterised like a peak of the great crusade Emperor.
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2020/09/24 20:11:27
Subject: Re:Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Super Ready wrote: How long has the Silent King been gone? ...who's to say his viewpoint hasn't changed in that time?
There’s not really a lot of point to doing damage control apologetics. If you can’t fully justify this change as good, interesting writing then vague half-explanations don’t add anything.
It’s okay to dislike a majority of GW’s modern lore output and still enjoy it when they actually manage to hit on something.
2020/09/24 20:50:35
Subject: Re:Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
It’s okay to dislike a majority of GW’s modern lore output and still enjoy it when they actually manage to hit on something.
This is pretty much me in a nutshell. I went through a period years ago where I'd actually be annoyed by the mediocre or even abysmal lore they often give us. Now I just ignore whatever I don't like and appreciate the stuff that's still good. Works out a lot better for me.
2020/09/24 21:26:22
Subject: Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion
Tyel wrote: Its strange, the Hexmark has grown on me. The Silent King has not.
I’m largely fine with his model, could be a bit more distinctive. Maybe give him a nice deathmask or something.
What I’m not fine with is the incomprehensible extent to which they’re mangling his lore so far.
How did they ruin his lore?
"insane megalomaniac with aspirations of godhood."
Megalomaniac? Didn't he willingly destroy most of the controls he would have had over other necrons and exile himself for the galaxy?
Aspirations of godhood was never part of the Silent King's lore, as far as I'm aware. And we already have the necron wanting to be a god in the form of the Illuminor. It's just a weird description of the SK and just seems to contradict everything we've known so far.
I suggest we wait til the Codex to see more detail about the Silent King's motivations. While not trying to be an apologetic for GW, the stuff in the Pariah Nexus and the Indomitus novel does suggest the Silent King is busy trying to A) shield the galaxy from the warp B) re-unify the Necrons whether they want to or not. Maybe B) is what the "megalomania" refers to.
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