Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion

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**Eldenfirefly**

Necrons are undergoing such a big change we really need the full codex to digest and properly access how that faction is now. Its a totally different beast compared to before. So much has changed in the Necron codex.

**Jidmah**

BrianDavion wrote:
Castozor wrote:
I´m liking the sound of paying points for certain character upgrades. Hopefully the trend continues and Orks can field a proper warboss again in time, one who doesn't have less attacks than some random schmuck SM captain. Makes for better balancing too over CP, maybe next edition GW will have improved further and they cut all these "free" faction/cp rules upgrades and we get back to a proper point system for everything.

IMHO what Orks need is a "leuitenant" type figure to take the current ork warboss statline, and then a new warboss (with a gorgous new model) as the actual warboss that has the "bigger boss" rules already applied to it.

In fluff, those actually exist and are called "Leftenuntz". In 7th you could even field them as part of the Council of da Waaagh! formation.

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cody.d. wrote:
But oddly this seems to be an issue almost exclusively to imperial space marines. Xenos so far have not had this issue, same with chaos right?

Well, 5-7th edition's big mek is spread across five datasheets nowadays, not including the ability to upgrade any of them into a mek boss.

**Latro_**

Interesting scouts becoming elites, annoys me a bit because i have so many of them.

The elite's slot for marines has always been very cluttered and are they 'elite?!' could have put them in fast and changed their movement etc to make them more interesting.... but they are obviously not a primaris flavor of the month unit so ofc this is pie in the sky talk

**changemod**

Yeah, if they aren’t troops then fast attack is the logical place for scouts unless you’re entirely comfortable putting specifically less elite than the troops units in elite.

**H.B.M.C.**

They're Elites as they want people to stop taking min-sized Scout units as Troops.

I expect that similar things will happen to other "chaff" units people use to pay the Troops tax, like Rippers.

**Dudeface**

They might not be "elite" but scouts are a specialised infantry unit few in number comapritavely within a chapter. In primaris land do they even make scouts or do they just go from teen to intercessor?

I agree fast attack made more sense even with no rules changes.

**Ragnar69**

The Elite slot should be called "Special Snowflakes that don't fit into any other category" then we woulnd't have this discussion

I mean what's Elite about Agressors? Servitors?

**xttz**

I suspect the reason stuff like this went there rather than Fast Attack is because GW increased the number of available Elite slots for most detachments, so there shouldn't be as much competition.

Ragnar69 wrote:
I mean what's Elite about Agressors?

ngl, if I had a hulking suit of armour the fired a million rounds per minute I'd be feeling pretty Elite

**Dudeface**

xttz wrote:
I suspect the reason stuff like this went there rather than Fast Attack is because GW increased the number of available Elite slots for most detachments, so there shouldn't be as much competition.

Ragnar69 wrote:
I mean what's Elite about Agressors?

ngl, if I had a hulking suit of armour the fired a million rounds per minute I'd be feeling pretty Elite

Elites were 0-6 in 8th for battalions, there was just little point in using more than 3.

**H.B.M.C.**

Article about the codes for app usage of the Codex. Whatever.

What's nicer to see is this.

Good to see units of 3-6. Was real worried they wouldn't be in the end. Shame about the Outriders...

**Overread**

3-6

Darn it now I'm tempted to get a 4th Indomitus set......

**Justyn**

Good to see units of 3-6. Was real worried they wouldn't be in the end. Shame about the Outriders...

Very good news thank you!

**Spoletta**

Isn't that a bladeguard nerf?

They used to be 35 points including wargear, now instead it looks like they have to pay for it.

Between a storm shield and a master crafted powersword, they go to 49 points.

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Could it possibly be that the extremely good costs of the indomitus package were simply an editorial issue where they put only the model cost and not the weapon cost to simplify it?

**Dudeface**

Spoletta wrote:
Isn't that a bladeguard nerf?

They used to be 35 points including wargear, now instead it looks like they have to pay for it.

Between a storm shield and a master crafted powersword, they go to 49 points.

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Could it possibly be that the extremely good costs of the indomitus package were simply an editorial issue where they put only the model cost and not the weapon cost to simplify it?

It throws pl to points out the window, 147 points = 5pl, which the destroyers are 105 = 5pl, I can almost see it being they baked the wargear cost in and they show as 0 points for them.

**Spoletta**

Yeah, but then I don't understand the layout. It says that the vokite pistol is 5 points, but it actually replaces a 10 point master crafted sword, so it would be -5 in that case.

**Dudeface**

Spoletta wrote:
Yeah, but then I don't understand the layout. It says that the vokite pistol is 5 points, but it actually replaces a 10 point master crafted sword, so it would be -5 in that case.

Surely the pistol will replace the heavy bolt pistol at 0 points?

**Super Ready**

One thing that concerns me - is the Codex code good for use with the free app, or do you have to subscribe to use it fully?
Haven't seen it clarified anywhere, which is worrying. I'm not a fan of paying twice for it, if I'm already buying the book anyway, so this pretty much makes or breaks whether I even bother downloading the app at all.

**Spoletta**

First articles on WHC said that you don't need to pay for the app, just for the codex.

**Tiberius501**

Ah that’s good I’ll have to download the app.
Also really nice to see Skorpekhs going to 3-6 in a unit, that made me happy lol.

**Tyel**

Hacking, in my 40k?

Don't want to be negative - and I guess it might seem a bit desperate to get access to the app versus just pirating things wholesale - but I don't see how GW will stop people just typing codes in and seeing what they get - and then consumers turning up potentially months later and being told "sorry, your book's code has already been taken".

**Nevelon**

Tyel wrote:
Hacking, in my 40k?

Don't want to be negative - and I guess it might seem a bit desperate to get access to the app versus just pirating things wholesale - but I don't see how GW will stop people just typing codes in and seeing what they get - and then consumers turning up potentially months later and being told "sorry, your book's code has already been taken".

The thought crossed my mind as well. Hope they are using a large/complex enough number to prevent brute force hacks. Or have some sort of back end checks going on.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Tyel wrote:
Hacking, in my 40k?

Don't want to be negative - and I guess it might seem a bit desperate to get access to the app versus just pirating things wholesale - but I don't see how GW will stop people just typing codes in and seeing what they get - and then consumers turning up potentially months later and being told "sorry, your book's code has already been taken".

Plastic? Simply wrapping the codex in plastic goes a long way. Prevents people from peeking at the content before buying though.

**Tiberius501**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Tyel wrote:
Hacking, in my 40k?

Don't want to be negative - and I guess it might seem a bit desperate to get access to the app versus just pirating things wholesale - but I don't see how GW will stop people just typing codes in and seeing what they get - and then consumers turning up potentially months later and being told "sorry, your book's code has already been taken".

Plastic? Simply wrapping the codex in plastic goes a long way. Prevents people from peeking at the content before buying though.

They’re referring to just typing in a series of random numbers and/or letters in the same way as the codes are printed to guess codes in order to get free PDF’s, rather than peaking at the codes in the books.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Oh. If the server does the slightest anti-brute force thing (after 10 failed attempt, add a 5 seconds cooldown period), brute force won't work

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**The Phazer**

Tyel wrote:
Hacking, in my 40k?

Don't want to be negative - and I guess it might seem a bit desperate to get access to the app versus just pirating things wholesale - but I don't see how GW will stop people just typing codes in and seeing what they get - and then consumers turning up potentially months later and being told "sorry, your book's code has already been taken".

This is a very solved problem, and GW would have to make an enormous cock up for it to be brute forcable.

Effectively a sixteen digit code is completely sufficient, which is why it's widely used for giftcards by Apple/Google/Playstation et al.

**Jidmah**

Super Ready wrote:
One thing that concerns me - is the Codex code good for use with the free app, or do you have to subscribe to use it fully?
Haven't seen it clarified anywhere, which is worrying. I'm not a fan of paying twice for it, if I'm already buying the book anyway, so this pretty much makes or breaks whether I even bother downloading the app at all.

I can assure you that it uninstalls rather nicely

**nekooni**

Just shut down any account that spam redeems invalid codes, then ban all the valid codes they received.
Provide people that try to redeem one of the banned codes with a new code if they can prove ownership, eg by sending in a picture of the code in the book

Not perfect, but a solution

**Not Online!!!**

nekooni wrote:
Just shut down any account that spam redeems invalid codes, then ban all the valid codes they received.
Provide people that try to redeem one of the banned codes with a new code if they can prove ownership, eg by sending in a picture of the code in the book

Not perfect, but a solution

A sure fire way to piss off your customer base aswell.

**Overread**

Lets perhaps wait a little and see what happens before we go too far down the rabbit hole of "what-ifs".

GW has been using voucher codes for years now and its a pretty staple area of retail and I've yet to hear of mass cases of GW customers having problems redeeming codes because someone has been attempting to break the system with crunching random numbers at it.

**nekooni**

Not Online!!! wrote:
nekooni wrote:
Just shut down any account that spam redeems invalid codes, then ban all the valid codes they received.
Provide people that try to redeem one of the banned codes with a new code if they can prove ownership, eg by sending in a picture of the code in the book

Not perfect, but a solution

A sure fire way to piss off your customer base aswell.

Only if the hacker actually hits something. That should be rare enough.