Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Looking at the bladeguard vets I have been thinking of eradicators.

Rumour is they cost 40pts in codex.
Normally a unique weapon in a codex costs 0 and is part of the model cost.

But can they do that with eradicators? We know a multi-melta upgrade is an option for them. So that will be whatever a multimelta costs, but since they are replacing their normal gun, then that gun must have a value that can be removed from the price.

Sorry if I'm not clear on this explanation. Hopefully you all understand what I am saying.

Its a good pooint = horpfully you are right and the melta rifle costs 5-10pts

 The Phazer wrote:
This is a very solved problem, and GW would have to make an enormous cock up for it to be brute forcable.

Effectively a sixteen digit code is completely sufficient, which is why it's widely used for giftcards by Apple/Google/Playstation et al.

This is true - I was more thinking given the picture they have only has 8 digits. Now I'm not sure how many codexes get printed - but it must be hundreds of thousands, in which case your hit rate would be quite high.

Obviously you make it 16, and throw in letters and numbers, then the percentage of empty codes will be massive.

nekooni wrote:
Just shut down any account that spam redeems invalid codes, then ban all the valid codes they received.

You don't need to ban them, a simple short timeout (say, 5 minutes max) will be enough, because they will statistically never find a valid code.

nekooni wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

nekooni wrote:
Just shut down any account that spam redeems invalid codes, then ban all the valid codes they received.
Provide people that try to redeem one of the banned codes with a new code if they can prove ownership, eg by sending in a picture of the code in the book

Not perfect, but a solution

A sure fire way to piss off your customer base aswell.

Only if the hacker actually hits something. That should be rare enough.

You have more faith in GW's digital products and security then me then.

Gentlemen, the preview embargos are lifting as we speak, perhaps just wait another 12 hours or so and see what we get?

I am hoping for a nice necrons v SM BR from TableTopTactics in the morning

Quantic Shield : is now a 5+ invulnerable save and on top of that, you ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3.

Doomstalker : has a 4+ invulnerable save. It can overwatch à la T'au, which means he get to shoot at ennemy units which charged a friendly unit within 6" of the Doomstalker. He can fire at it with the "big profile" of its weapon (forgot its name). Does not have QS.

Canoptek units : they now all have RP.

Rites of Reanimation : each Necron unit can only be targeted once by Rites of Reanimation. Select a Necron unit : D3 Necron Warriors are revived or 1 model if it's not a Necron Warriors unit.

Monolith is 380 points with 4 "mini Death Rays". Silent King is 450 and Ctan of the Void Dragon is 350

So, the quantum shield change is much better against plasma and damage 2 weapons, but much worse against any high damage weapons. A bit of a wash, but I really liked the old flavorful mechanic. In practice this may or may not be better. We'll see.

 Sasori wrote:

Quantic Shield : is now a 5+ invulnerable save and on top of that, you ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3.

Doomstalker : has a 4+ invulnerable save. It can overwatch à la T'au, which means he get to shoot at ennemy units which charged a friendly unit within 6" of the Doomstalker. He can fire at it with the "big profile" of its weapon (forgot its name). Does not have QS.

Canoptek units : they now all have RP.

Rites of Reanimation : each Necron unit can only be targeted once by Rites of Reanimation. Select a Necron unit : D3 Necron Warriors are revived or 1 model if it's not a Necron Warriors unit.

Monolith is 380 points with 4 "mini Death Rays". Silent King is 450 and Ctan of the Void Dragon is 350

So, the quantum shield change is much better against plasma and damage 2 weapons, but much worse against any high damage weapons. A bit of a wash, but I really liked the old flavorful mechanic. In practice this may or may not be better. We'll see.

I like everything you have said. Where’d you get it from?

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Quantic Shield : is now a 5+ invulnerable save and on top of that, you ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3.

Doomstalker : has a 4+ invulnerable save. It can overwatch à la T'au, which means he get to shoot at ennemy units which charged a friendly unit within 6" of the Doomstalker. He can fire at it with the "big profile" of its weapon (forgot its name). Does not have QS.

Canoptek units : they now all have RP.

Rites of Reanimation : each Necron unit can only be targeted once by Rites of Reanimation. Select a Necron unit : D3 Necron Warriors are revived or 1 model if it's not a Necron Warriors unit.

Monolith is 380 points with 4 "mini Death Rays". Silent King is 450 and Ctan of the Void Dragon is 350

So, the quantum shield change is much better against plasma and damage 2 weapons, but much worse against any high damage weapons. A bit of a wash, but I really liked the old flavorful mechanic. In practice this may or may not be better. We'll see.

I like everything you have said. Where’d you get it from?

A leak that was posted to reddit. Looks like it's been deleted since it was on the wrong subreddit though.

from the facebook group

From a discord group:
“As you may be aware (or not), some people received the new Codex early. In my local gaming group, someone did receive the new Codex Necrons early. He gave me a couple of informations and I thought it would be nice to share it here :
Quantic Shield : is now a 5+ invulnerable save and on top of that, you ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3.
Doomstalker : has a 4+ invulnerable save. It can overwatch à la T'au, which means he get to shoot at ennemy units which charged a friendly unit within 6" of the Doomstalker. He can fire at it with the "big profile" of its weapon (forgot its name). Does not have QS.
Canoptek units : they now all have RP.
Rites of Reanimation : each Necron unit can only be targeted once by Rites of Reanimation. Select a Necron unit : D3 Necron Warriors are revived or 1 model if it's not a Necron Warriors unit.
Monolith is 380 points with 4 "mini Death Rays". Silent King is 450 and Ctan of the Void Dragon is 350.
Don't know anything else, sorry. He wants to keep it "as a surprise" for our next game

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Quantic Shield : is now a 5+ invulnerable save and on top of that, you ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3.

Doomstalker : has a 4+ invulnerable save. It can overwatch à la T'au, which means he get to shoot at ennemy units which charged a friendly unit within 6" of the Doomstalker. He can fire at it with the "big profile" of its weapon (forgot its name). Does not have QS.

Canoptek units : they now all have RP.

Rites of Reanimation : each Necron unit can only be targeted once by Rites of Reanimation. Select a Necron unit : D3 Necron Warriors are revived or 1 model if it's not a Necron Warriors unit.

Monolith is 380 points with 4 "mini Death Rays". Silent King is 450 and Ctan of the Void Dragon is 350

So, the quantum shield change is much better against plasma and damage 2 weapons, but much worse against any high damage weapons. A bit of a wash, but I really liked the old flavorful mechanic. In practice this may or may not be better. We'll see.

I like everything you have said. Where’d you get it from?

`

Reddit post where a guy said a friend of his got the codex early but wants to "keep it a surprise" for the next game so the friend "only gave teasers" I'd say this is grain of salt territory

Yeah, although it does sound plausible. Not sure Canoptek units getting RP really means much though, as they’re all high wound models, lol. But otherwise it all looks good to me, if true.

No one else mentioned this, but according to the app screenshot of the Skorpekh Destroyers, they went down 5ppm, which is nice. Also nice to see them in units of 3-6.

Silent King at 450 and Shard of the Void Dragon at 350 is rough. Shard of the Void Dragon would be almost twice the cost of Deceiver, over twice the cost of Nigthbringer, and 140 points more than Transcendant C'Tan. I'm pretty sure I'd rather take more C'Tan shards for the price. Void Dragon's cost should be confirmation that he has the "character" keyword.

Monoliths at 380 points would firmly relegate them to the shelf zone, and it's the one leak that I question the most as it's a 110 point increase after they went down 30 points in CA2020.

Rites of Reanimation sounds a bit too powerful considering the change in rules to Reanimation Protocols.

Quantum Shielding doesn't make any sense - what does he mean "ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3?"

 Knute wrote:
No one else mentioned this, but according to the app screenshot of the Skorpekh Destroyers, they went down 5ppm, which is nice. Also nice to see them in units of 3-6.

Silent King at 450 and Shard of the Void Dragon at 350 is rough. Shard of the Void Dragon would be almost twice the cost of Deceiver, over twice the cost of Nigthbringer, and 140 points more than Transcendant C'Tan. I'm pretty sure I'd rather take more C'Tan shards for the price. Void Dragon's cost should be confirmation that he has the "character" keyword.

Monoliths at 380 points would firmly relegate them to the shelf zone, and it's the one leak that I question the most as it's a 110 point increase after they went down 30 points in CA2020.

Rites of Reanimation sounds a bit too powerful considering the change in rules to Reanimation Protocols.

Quantum Shielding doesn't make any sense - what does he mean "ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3?"

If it’s true, the other C’tan shards may also gain some of the toughness the void dragon has, they’d most likely also go up in price with him.

 Knute wrote:
No one else mentioned this, but according to the app screenshot of the Skorpekh Destroyers, they went down 5ppm, which is nice. Also nice to see them in units of 3-6.

Silent King at 450 and Shard of the Void Dragon at 350 is rough. Shard of the Void Dragon would be almost twice the cost of Deceiver, over twice the cost of Nigthbringer, and 140 points more than Transcendant C'Tan. I'm pretty sure I'd rather take more C'Tan shards for the price. Void Dragon's cost should be confirmation that he has the "character" keyword.

Monoliths at 380 points would firmly relegate them to the shelf zone, and it's the one leak that I question the most as it's a 110 point increase after they went down 30 points in CA2020.

Rites of Reanimation sounds a bit too powerful considering the change in rules to Reanimation Protocols.

Quantum Shielding doesn't make any sense - what does he mean "ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3?"

I suspect the other C'tan to go up in price as well, since they should all get the Necrodermis rule. I'm also expecting some stat and ability changes.

The Monolith is 380 with the Deathray loadout. I suspect will be cheaper with just the Gauss Flux Arcs, maybe significantly so.

It's like the marine strat. Even a high strength weapon will only wound on a 4+

 Sasori wrote:

 Knute wrote:
No one else mentioned this, but according to the app screenshot of the Skorpekh Destroyers, they went down 5ppm, which is nice. Also nice to see them in units of 3-6.

Silent King at 450 and Shard of the Void Dragon at 350 is rough. Shard of the Void Dragon would be almost twice the cost of Deceiver, over twice the cost of Nigthbringer, and 140 points more than Transcendant C'Tan. I'm pretty sure I'd rather take more C'Tan shards for the price. Void Dragon's cost should be confirmation that he has the "character" keyword.

Monoliths at 380 points would firmly relegate them to the shelf zone, and it's the one leak that I question the most as it's a 110 point increase after they went down 30 points in CA2020.

Rites of Reanimation sounds a bit too powerful considering the change in rules to Reanimation Protocols.

Quantum Shielding doesn't make any sense - what does he mean "ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3?"

I suspect the other C'tan to go up in price as well, since they should all get the Necrodermis rule. I'm also expecting some stat and ability changes.

The Monolith is 380 with the Deathray loadout. I suspect will be cheaper with just the Gauss Flux Arcs, maybe significantly so.

If the Monolith gets this new version of Quantum Shielding, it seems potentially worth the points, basically being the equivalent of a knight that can (potentially if it keeps its rule) deepstrike. Would also really like the Silent King to get it, though could be too much.

 Knute wrote:
No one else mentioned this, but according to the app screenshot of the Skorpekh Destroyers, they went down 5ppm, which is nice. Also nice to see them in units of 3-6.

Silent King at 450 and Shard of the Void Dragon at 350 is rough. Shard of the Void Dragon would be almost twice the cost of Deceiver, over twice the cost of Nigthbringer, and 140 points more than Transcendant C'Tan. I'm pretty sure I'd rather take more C'Tan shards for the price. Void Dragon's cost should be confirmation that he has the "character" keyword.

Monoliths at 380 points would firmly relegate them to the shelf zone, and it's the one leak that I question the most as it's a 110 point increase after they went down 30 points in CA2020.

Rites of Reanimation sounds a bit too powerful considering the change in rules to Reanimation Protocols.

Quantum Shielding doesn't make any sense - what does he mean "ignore unmodified wound roll of 1/2/3?"

The monolith has been suggested to be a super heavy with a buffed profile and notably better guns, it's no shocker it went up in points. Likewise you're assuming the older c'tan aren't upgraded to match.

Touche all, I forgot that Necrodermis is a C'Tan ability, not a unique Void Dragon ability.

Silent King at 450 is also tough to swallow since Guilliman is 70 points cheaper and gives a flat reroll to hits and a flat reroll of 1s to wound instead of just reroll ranged hit rolls of 1 and reroll melee wound rolls of 1.

I could see Monoliths being ok-ish at 380 points if they had a built-in invulnerable save and this new Quantum Shielding rule, but it's still a tough pill to swallow.

The QS rule seems pretty straightforward to me. The unit gets a 5++ save and any wound roll where the number on the dice before modifiers is 3 or less is ignored. So you basically have to roll a 4 or more on the dice regardless of modifiers to even be in the game.

 Knute wrote:
Touche all, I forgot that Necrodermis is a C'Tan ability, not a unique Void Dragon ability.

Silent King at 450 is also tough to swallow since Guilliman is 70 points cheaper and gives a flat reroll to hits and a flat reroll of 1s to wound instead of just reroll ranged hit rolls of 1 and reroll melee wound rolls of 1.

I could see Monoliths being ok-ish at 380 points if they had a built-in invulnerable save and this new Quantum Shielding rule, but it's still a tough pill to swallow.

Guilliman also isn't 20 something wounds with 6 damage cannons, strike last aura and mortal wound output, very different animals really.

Yeah but with 4 death rays and a particle whip, it should delete anything you point it at, which is what it should do. And c'tan going up, I'm fine with because they should be super rare, extremely powerful, and very volatile.

 Knute wrote:
Touche all, I forgot that Necrodermis is a C'Tan ability, not a unique Void Dragon ability.

Silent King at 450 is also tough to swallow since Guilliman is 70 points cheaper and gives a flat reroll to hits and a flat reroll of 1s to wound instead of just reroll ranged hit rolls of 1 and reroll melee wound rolls of 1.

Szerakh imparts a full ranged hit reroll, a full melee wound reroll, a fights last aura, is carrying around two giant deathbeams that double as ablative wounds, has nearly three times the wounds that Guilliman does and does god knows what else. The points premium is more than earned.

About 24 hours until everything drops.

I'm darned curious about the Ghost Ark, but, I can hold on yet.

Yup, Daemon Primarchs and the Szerakh are all more powerful table-pieces than Guilliman is, but for some reason, the Primarch gets all the hate.

Neknoh wrote:
Yup, Daemon Primarchs and the Szerakh are all more powerful table-pieces than Guilliman is, but for some reason, the Primarch gets all the hate.

It's more envy it seems.

But over what?! Guiliman was never THE primarch, he's not as good on the table, his model isn't all that great so... what gives? Where is the envy coming from?


Edit. I just realised that it might not be Chaos or Necrons giving him gak, but other Space Marines who want THEIR primarch yesterday

Neknoh wrote:
But over what?! Guiliman was never THE primarch, he's not as good on the table, his model isn't all that great so... what gives? Where is the envy coming from?


Edit. I just realised that it might not be Chaos or Necrons giving him gak, but other Space Marines who want THEIR primarch yesterday

No it's a mix of people who remember razorback spam with full rerolls on everything that was good for a short time at the start of 8th. He is pretty decent, not as good as he was admittedly but he was the benchmark of how good of a singular model was for some time.

Guilliman is the one that came with a big big change to established order of the universe.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Not Online!!! wrote:
You have more faith in GW's digital products and security then me then.

Either I do have more faith you than, or I expect the task to be easier to not screw up than you do, but I don't think it will ever be a problem.