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the_scotsman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

DanielFM wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Bloodbowl and Titanticus this week.

Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?

Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.

That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.

Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.

what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?

The roughly 1/2 of them that got no model update at all....generally for a couple codexes in a row?

completely differant things dude. we're talking about new units in the codex that are held off for a prolonged period of time. as I said generally the "6 month long trickle" isn't a thing, although yes sisters where hit with this and that was just as annoying.

Any rumours/leaks on what the last "xenos" codex going to be yet ?

Also, you guys remember the french guy dropping us all the rumours a while back about 2W cult CSM and a bunch of other stuff?

Seems a lot/most of those were on point if a year late in materialising. But credit where credit due. Anyone rememeber what else was milling around fromt hat source ?

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

DanielFM wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Bloodbowl and Titanticus this week.

Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?

Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.

That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.

Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.

what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?

Ah yes marine codex was released 6 months ago...wait no it's barely month.

Less hyperbole and you might be taken seriously once.

Months wait isn't unusual at all. But of course entitled marines feel they should be　snowflake exception

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

DanielFM wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Bloodbowl and Titanticus this week.

Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?

Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.

That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.

Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.

what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?

Ah yes marine codex was released 6 months ago...wait no it's barely month.

Less hyperbole and you might be taken seriously once.

Months wait isn't unusual at all. But of course entitled marines feel they should be　snowflake exception

I was refering to the prolonged release schedule that was codex 8.5 and the supplements there. I seem to recall a lot of xenos grumbling that we got nothing but marines releases. but hey, if you're happy with GW stretching out marines releases so we gt nothing but them until febuary...

Which 8.5 books were waiting 6 months for their models?

Marines complaining about them not getting their releases fast enough... seriously...

BrianDavion wrote:

I was refering to the prolonged release schedule that was codex 8.5 and the supplements there. I seem to recall a lot of xenos grumbling that we got nothing but marines releases. but hey, if you're happy with GW stretching out marines releases so we gt nothing but them until febuary...

Well the current wave of marine kits is taking so long because GW did a massive xenos release in the middle of it. Then we know there's another xenos codex in January. So what exactly is your point?

 Jidmah wrote:
Marines complaining about them not getting their releases fast enough... seriously...

When Marines have to wait 24 years and counting like Eldar, for some of their models to get updated, then they can complain lol.

 Jidmah wrote:
Marines complaining about them not getting their releases fast enough... seriously...

It's also Necrons, but nah, just jump on the "Marine hate" bandwagon. It's so in right now.

 dan2026 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Marines complaining about them not getting their releases fast enough... seriously...

When Marines have to wait 24 years and counting like Eldar, for some of their models to get updated, then they can complain lol.

Most ranges have something that's old enough to drink (in the uk) including marines.


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 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

I was refering to the prolonged release schedule that was codex 8.5 and the supplements there. I seem to recall a lot of xenos grumbling that we got nothing but marines releases. but hey, if you're happy with GW stretching out marines releases so we gt nothing but them until febuary...

Well the current wave of marine kits is taking so long because GW did a massive xenos release in the middle of it. Then we know there's another xenos codex in January. So what exactly is your point?

Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".

I think it'll be middle of the road, we'll see marine kits every month until February with maybe a small death guard and the remaining cron waves.

Dudeface wrote:


Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".

I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.

that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.

BrianDavion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".

I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.

that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.

If you wanted people to understand what you're trying to say you should try to make more sense. You said "Wait six months after codex", then it was pointed out that the codex has been out for one month, so you said "Err, I meant the last bunch of codices". If this is what you meant, it is a complete non sequitur since we're actually talking about the upcoming releases. If you wanted to say something about the last bunch of codices you should have specified that. However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case. And you're now moving the goalposts for your point from "Wait six months" to "Potentially wait four months", which isn't even confirmed. All in all, it wasn't a failure of peoples' capacity to understand you, it was a failure of your capacity to form a relevant argument, Dudeface hasn't really rescued you here despite how "Glad that someone is capable of understanding what I'm actually saying" you might be.

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".

I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.

that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.

However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case.

While I appreciate that time is a bit weird at the minute, I'd see someone about that memory of yours.

When the 8.5 'dex dropped, there were multiple units that were included in the book, which didn't get released until one of the subsequent waves of supplements came out. Off the top of my head, the Incursor/Infiltrator kit was one, the Impulsor a second and I think it also caught up the Eliminator full kit. Can't remember what the situation was with the Matrix walker. That's before we got the various characters that came out alongside each supplement as well - those characters were released alongside their rules, but in the case of the "standard" kit from that wave of Steroid Boys, there was indeed a delay between the full rules being printed in 8.5, and the kits actually hitting the shelves.

 Dysartes wrote:

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".

I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.

that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.

However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case.

While I appreciate that time is a bit weird at the minute, I'd see someone about that memory of yours.

When the 8.5 'dex dropped, there were multiple units that were included in the book, which didn't get released until one of the subsequent waves of supplements came out. Off the top of my head, the Incursor/Infiltrator kit was one, the Impulsor a second and I think it also caught up the Eliminator full kit. Can't remember what the situation was with the Matrix walker. That's before we got the various characters that came out alongside each supplement as well - those characters were released alongside their rules, but in the case of the "standard" kit from that wave of Steroid Boys, there was indeed a delay between the full rules being printed in 8.5, and the kits actually hitting the shelves.

Ok fair enough I'll defer to your memory on that. Still I maintain that he's a bit wrong in what he's saying, then changing the parameters when gainsaid and claiming the disagreement is due to a lack of comprehension from others rather than a wonky argument coming from him.

He's not wrong though. There absolutely was a lot of complaining about 'too many marine releases' when the supplements dropped and Marine players got jumped on for saying they wished the releases had come out already.

The release pattern for the 8.5 book was:
-Codex, White Scars, Ultramarines plus Tigurius and the Khan.
-Week two was characters and the Invictor. Phobos Captain and Librarian plus the Wake the Dead Librarian.
-Month two(September 2019) was Raven Guard and Iron Hands with their named characters(Shrike and the Iron Father) plus Eliminators and the Reiver Lt.
-Month three(October 2019) was Imperial Fists and Salamanders with their named characters(Garadon and Agatone) plus Infiltrators/Incursors and the Impulsors.
Each release had dice, cards, and an upgrade pack(barring Ultramarines who already had theirs).

And that was before the Shadowspear stuff was out in a SC too, so the codex dropped and it was across three months for all of the new units to come out in a format people could get. While it's certainly true that other armies need resculpts and the like, complaining about four items being released alongside of these supplements especially when at least half of those releases are Chapter specific is a bit daft.

Here i am still waiting of non SC obliterators.....
Or cultists for that matter.

JWBS wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".

I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.

that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.

However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case.

While I appreciate that time is a bit weird at the minute, I'd see someone about that memory of yours.

When the 8.5 'dex dropped, there were multiple units that were included in the book, which didn't get released until one of the subsequent waves of supplements came out. Off the top of my head, the Incursor/Infiltrator kit was one, the Impulsor a second and I think it also caught up the Eliminator full kit. Can't remember what the situation was with the Matrix walker. That's before we got the various characters that came out alongside each supplement as well - those characters were released alongside their rules, but in the case of the "standard" kit from that wave of Steroid Boys, there was indeed a delay between the full rules being printed in 8.5, and the kits actually hitting the shelves.

Ok fair enough I'll defer to your memory on that. Still I maintain that he's a bit wrong in what he's saying, then changing the parameters when gainsaid and claiming the disagreement is due to a lack of comprehension from others rather than a wonky argument coming from him.

except, yet again the others understood what I was saying just fine. keep in mind this isn't a case of "GW hasn't updated this mini in ages" it's "GFW has told us this mini is coming out and they're delaying it for a long time because... reasons"

quartal numbers flattening and stretching earnings brian.
thats why.

Not Online!!! wrote:
quartal numbers flattening and stretching earnings brian.
thats why.

could be. GW also seems unwilling to release more then a set amount of stuff each month, I think they belive it maximizes sales through impulse buying.... and, in fairness they might be right.

doesn't make it any less annoying.

 Kanluwen wrote:
He's not wrong though. There absolutely was a lot of complaining about 'too many marine releases' when the supplements dropped and Marine players got jumped on for saying they wished the releases had come out already.

The release pattern for the 8.5 book was:
-Codex, White Scars, Ultramarines plus Tigurius and the Khan.
-Week two was characters and the Invictor. Phobos Captain and Librarian plus the Wake the Dead Librarian.
-Month two(September 2019) was Raven Guard and Iron Hands with their named characters(Shrike and the Iron Father) plus Eliminators and the Reiver Lt.
-Month three(October 2019) was Imperial Fists and Salamanders with their named characters(Garadon and Agatone) plus Infiltrators/Incursors and the Impulsors.
Each release had dice, cards, and an upgrade pack(barring Ultramarines who already had theirs).

And that was before the Shadowspear stuff was out in a SC too, so the codex dropped and it was across three months for all of the new units to come out in a format people could get. While it's certainly true that other armies need resculpts and the like, complaining about four items being released alongside of these supplements especially when at least half of those releases are Chapter specific is a bit daft.

Yeah but his initial point was that Marines are waiting 6 months for their units to be released. It was pointed out that this isn't correct, so he said "No err I meant the previous wave", which is still wrong, as you've shown, it was basically two months (White Scars etc, mid August, Imperial Fists etc, mid October), and much of it was released alongside the relevant rules.

Anyway, the complaint is pretty lame imo. There's a pandemic, there are delays, some people are upset that they don't have their soldiers right now and I'm unimpressed by the complaint and unsympathetic to the complainants.

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
quartal numbers flattening and stretching earnings brian.
thats why.

could be. GW also seems unwilling to release more then a set amount of stuff each month, I think they belive it maximizes sales through impulse buying.... and, in fairness they might be right.

doesn't make it any less annoying.

It's the same why GW spreads out the supplements and other rules releases with corresponding models to inflate impulse buys, it allows them to project steady income, which is an issue because GW has responsibilty only torwards their investors and NOT torwards their custommers beyond the minimal standards enforced on plastic models.

Spikes would be considerably worse for their presentation torwards their investors which then would probably stronger interventions of the shareholders (not necesarrily to our advantage).it's also why GW is so risk adverse and not updating/releasing new factions because unlike SM those are not guaranteed sales.

Personally that is why i would prefer if GW were to be a private company, it leads to a diffrent behaviour and more longterm thinking... generally, depends who'd own the company...

wishfull thinking i know, one can dream

BrianDavion wrote:


except, yet again the others understood what I was saying just fine. keep in mind this isn't a case of "GW hasn't updated this mini in ages" it's "GFW has told us this mini is coming out and they're delaying it for a long time because... reasons"

Dudeface reiterated what you'd said on one of your later posts. The words weren't hard to understand but the argument made no sense in context with the rest of what you were saying and what / why others were disagreeing with. The comprehension problem is a red herring that doesn't exist, the actual bone of contention is that some people are disagreeing with you, because they disagree with you, not because they're too dim to understand you.

Codex: Necrons and Codex Space Marines FAQs are up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-40000

 Ghaz wrote:
Codex: Necrons and Codex Space Marines FAQs are up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-40000

Well, resurrecting quad bikes are here to stay it seems.

JWBS wrote:
Yeah but his initial point was that Marines are waiting 6 months for their units to be released. It was pointed out that this isn't correct, so he said "No err I meant the previous wave", which is still wrong, as you've shown, it was basically two months (White Scars etc, mid August, Imperial Fists etc, mid October), and much of it was released alongside the relevant rules.

Anyway, the complaint is pretty lame imo. There's a pandemic, there are delays, some people are upset that they don't have their soldiers right now and I'm unimpressed by the complaint and unsympathetic to the complainants.

Codex, UM, WS was start of August 2019.
Mid-August was Invictor+characters.
Mid-September was RG+IH.
Mid-October was IF+Salamanders.

Three months, not two. Since the exact numbers matter apparently so heavily.

Sure, what was the time gap between Codex: Eldar and the Eldar model release in 8th?

What was the time gap between Codex: Orks and the new Ghazghkull model?

Codex: Space Marines and the entire new Chaos Space Marine model range they put out?Boy, wouldn't there be egg on your face if you got a shiny new 8th edition Chaos Space Marine codex and then whatever 1 year later without warning they dropped a dozen odd new kits, most of which replaced core units you just bought for your new army!

GW previewing new things they will release with the rules for those things in advance of the release of the thing is a GOOD THING.

Being able to review the in-game stats for a unit prior to buying it and figure out where it fits into your army is a GOOD THING.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yeah but his initial point was that Marines are waiting 6 months for their units to be released. It was pointed out that this isn't correct, so he said "No err I meant the previous wave", which is still wrong, as you've shown, it was basically two months (White Scars etc, mid August, Imperial Fists etc, mid October), and much of it was released alongside the relevant rules.

Anyway, the complaint is pretty lame imo. There's a pandemic, there are delays, some people are upset that they don't have their soldiers right now and I'm unimpressed by the complaint and unsympathetic to the complainants.

Codex, UM, WS was start of August 2019.
Mid-August was Invictor+characters.
Mid-September was RG+IH.
Mid-October was IF+Salamanders.

Three months, not two. Since the exact numbers matter apparently so heavily.

Two months is very different to six months if we're talking in timescales of months. Like, appreciably, materially different. And if we have to be super exact (I didn't say this btw, I'm just a person that thinks two months is markedly different to six months), Codex WS was up for pre-order on the 9th of August https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/09/space-marines-preview-sons-of-the-great-khangw-homepage-post-1/, putting the release somewhere around the 13th of August 2019, which is mid August. According to you, IF was mid October. The amount of time separating the middle of August 2019 and the middle of October 2019, when calculated using Gregorian calendar commonly used in Britain and North America, is pretty much exactly two solar months.

I expected more from these FAQs after an entire month.

 Sasori wrote:
I expected more from these FAQs after an entire month.

Yeah, since there's been so many games to see what is or isn't frequently asked questions--I expected a huge list of things.

JWBS wrote:Two months is very different to six months if we're talking in timescales of months. Like, appreciably, materially different. And if we have to be super exact (I didn't say this btw, I'm just a person that thinks two months is markedly different to six months), Codex WS was up for pre-order on the 9th of August https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/09/space-marines-preview-sons-of-the-great-khangw-homepage-post-1/, putting the release somewhere around the 13th of August 2019, which is mid August. According to you, IF was mid October. The amount of time separating the middle of August 2019 and the middle of October 2019, when calculated using Gregorian calendar commonly used in Britain and North America, is pretty much exactly two solar months.

Cool, then you're still off by a week or so since my post concerned preorder dates not releases. If you can google up the date for WS' supplement, I'm sure you can find the rest easy enough. I have zero interest in reposting stuff I've posted ad nauseum simply because people didn't believe there was a wider spread of time for these releases than they thought there was. The point remains that the Marine releases were dragged out in a significant manner that up until this year wasn't really the case from current GW.

Additionally, it's worth mentioning since you brought up the "two isn't six" thing that the items we're waiting on now for the Marine book were previewed as far back as pre-COVID lockdowns. That's when we first saw the Gladiator.

 Sasori wrote:
I expected more from these FAQs after an entire month.

They are spectacularly brief, aren't they?

It is good to see the Black Templars Index PDF on the FAQs page, though, as it was stuck on the WHC article page before now.