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It looks like it might be a resealable blister, ala the Underworlds dice.

Looks like the same packaging as the new forgeworld dice.

So what DID Black Templars actually lose besides Snowflake Status with Blood Angels and Dark Angels?

They didn't really lose much except for very specific (sometimes hindering) rules.

But I'm a snowflake, and as a Black Templars player I want my snowflake rules and specific units.

GW should really just jump on the BT bandwagon and make some decent BT upgrade kits/characters/special units (note: in this case I mean for Primaris because regardless of opinions, that is the future of marines). There's enough of us out there to probably make big bank on it.

If the packaging is resealable then that’s okay.

Reckon there’ll be another article tonight? Last time I asked that there was, so I’m gonna ask tonight too incase the universe listens to me.

Death company article today I believe.

That or crusade. Either would be cool to read.

Well Death Company likely although I suspect that Death Visions sounds more like crusade rule.

Although I would prefer Flesh Tearers. Those guys are cool.

The main thing that makes me think Death Visions isn’t for crusade is because we get cards for them. Most crusade upgrades and things are written on your unit roster, you don’t need to keep track usually in game with cards.

I love that the sergeant of a unit of Assault intercessors can make 14 attacks with Honor the Chapter when Jain Zar the pheonix lord of the howling banshees makes 4 and Kharn makes like 8.

Welcome to Space Marine Hammer, where the stats are made up and the lore doesn't matter.

....I'm sure because I did not google kharn's actual statline some Um Aschulallly will materialize and say it's like 10 or something so, that is approximate or whatever. Point being an intercessor sergeant can throw more attacks than fething god and that's dumb.

the_scotsman wrote:
I love that the sergeant of a unit of Assault intercessors can make 14 attacks with Honor the Chapter when Jain Zar the pheonix lord of the howling banshees makes 4 and Kharn makes like 8.

Welcome to Space Marine Hammer, where the stats are made up and the lore doesn't matter.

....I'm sure because I did not google kharn's actual statline some Um Aschulallly will materialize and say it's like 10 or something so, that is approximate or whatever. Point being an intercessor sergeant can throw more attacks than fething god and that's dumb.

Did you include the fight twice Strat with Kharn or are you looking to just complain?

How are you getting 14,out of curiosity? The best I can figure for an assault intercessors is 6, 12 when fighting twice.

Also Kharn has 14. :p

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I love that the sergeant of a unit of Assault intercessors can make 14 attacks with Honor the Chapter when Jain Zar the pheonix lord of the howling banshees makes 4 and Kharn makes like 8.

Welcome to Space Marine Hammer, where the stats are made up and the lore doesn't matter.

....I'm sure because I did not google kharn's actual statline some Um Aschulallly will materialize and say it's like 10 or something so, that is approximate or whatever. Point being an intercessor sergeant can throw more attacks than fething god and that's dumb.

Did you include the fight twice Strat with Kharn or are you looking to just complain?

doesn't change the point that probably some rando can out perform established devastating melee specialists , known for melee...

granted that is another issue in regards to as how charachters can limit design space but yeah.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Did you include the fight twice Strat with Kharn or are you looking to just complain?

Kharn doesn't need a strat to fight twice.

Nvm.

 Laughing Man wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Did you include the fight twice Strat with Kharn or are you looking to just complain?

Kharn doesn't need a strat to fight twice.

He has access to the Fight Twice Strat. So he fights THREE times actually.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Laughing Man wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Did you include the fight twice Strat with Kharn or are you looking to just complain?

Kharn doesn't need a strat to fight twice.

He has access to the Fight Twice Strat. So he fights THREE times actually.

Also, Kharn seems to get 6 attacks base and +2 for charging (legion trait and hateful assault).

So Kharn can actually get 8 attacks before fighting twice. So that, and the strat to attack AGAIN, he can have 24 attacks hahaha.

BA Crusade stuff

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/24/the-blood-angels-on-crusade-will-you-fight-the-black-rage-or-embrace-it/

Some really fun stuff in there! Really like the flaw point system, and having dudes fall to the black rage.

First Deathguard Leak?

the_scotsman wrote:
I love that the sergeant of a unit of Assault intercessors can make 14 attacks with Honor the Chapter when Jain Zar the pheonix lord of the howling banshees makes 4 and Kharn makes like 8.

Welcome to Space Marine Hammer, where the stats are made up and the lore doesn't matter.

....I'm sure because I did not google kharn's actual statline some Um Aschulallly will materialize and say it's like 10 or something so, that is approximate or whatever. Point being an intercessor sergeant can throw more attacks than fething god and that's dumb.

What happened to you? You used to make reasoned constructive arguments (even if disagreeable personally sometimes) but you make a lot of sweeping overy wordy "I hate marine" posts of late, get the hyperbole shot up then vanish for a day or two and repeat.

But yes the sargeants can make too many attacks, not sure how many less it should be though to be honest. 3-4 used to be about top end for a unit champion back in 7th iirc.


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 Sasori wrote:
First Deathguard Leak?

+1 ws, bs, w and a is no minor thing there.

If Blight-Hauler keeps it pack rule it can be quite mean in shooting.

Sotahullu wrote:
If Blight-Hauler keeps it pack rule it can be quite mean in shooting.

I'd imagine that's gone now and the increased bs is an offset.

Having 3+WS/BS on other Daemon Engines would be incredible

 Laughing Man wrote:

How are you getting 14,out of curiosity? The best I can figure for an assault intercessors is 6, 12 when fighting twice.

Also Kharn has 14. :p

Sarge (3) Chainsword (1) echoes (1) Shock assault (1) Black Rage (1) and fight twice.

unless the BA DC intercessors can't do chainswords, which would be an odd thing.

I stand corrected that a BA intercessor sergeant cannot throw more attacks than Kharn the Betrayer - he'll have to content himself with more attacks than Jain Zar, Lelith hesperax, Ghazghkull Thraka, Robute Guilliman, a full 5-squad of howling banshees, etc.


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 Marshal Loss wrote:
Having 3+WS/BS on other Daemon Engines would be incredible

FWIW daemon engines in the IA compendium got bumped to 3s.

the_scotsman wrote:
I love that the sergeant of a unit of Assault intercessors can make 14 attacks with Honor the Chapter when Jain Zar the pheonix lord of the howling banshees makes 4 and Kharn makes like 8.

Although I generally agree with your position here, you can't add the fight twice strat for assault intercessors as a foundation for the argument. However, just having 5 attacks on the charge for a bog standard assault intercessor sgt with chainsword (not a vet intercessor), when Jain Zar has 4 is a ridiculous design stance.
Jain Zar should basically have Ragnar's rule..Shock Assault that adds D3 attacks when charging, charged, or HI. 5-7 attacks at S6, -3, D3 damage 9could argue for flat damage 3 really, at least 2) with reroll wounds. Would be much better.

 bullyboy wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I love that the sergeant of a unit of Assault intercessors can make 14 attacks with Honor the Chapter when Jain Zar the pheonix lord of the howling banshees makes 4 and Kharn makes like 8.

Although I generally agree with your position here, you can't add the fight twice strat for assault intercessors as a foundation for the argument. However, just having 5 attacks on the charge for a bog standard assault intercessor sgt with chainsword (not a vet intercessor), when Jain Zar has 4 is a ridiculous design stance.
Jain Zar should basically have Ragnar's rule..Shock Assault that adds D3 attacks when charging, charged, or HI. 5-7 attacks at S6, -3, D3 damage 9could argue for flat damage 3 really, at least 2) with reroll wounds. Would be much better.

I know I'm veering off topic, but I would think someone like jain zar is the perfect character to have wounds carry over similar to the DG flail of corruption. Use it to represent her whirlwind of death, one strike being so quick it is used to hit multiple opponents

edit nvm. You were right indeed

nvm

Notice that the MBH has 9 wounds, which means it could have a bracket and is no longer taken in groups of 3. Possibly.

 puma713 wrote:
Notice that the MBH has 9 wounds, which means it could have a bracket and is no longer taken in groups of 3. Possibly.

Brackets start at 10 without exception so far I think?