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The heavy flamer is 8" but S6, so it could also turn into a unique weapon like the Invictor Warsuit's Heavy Bolter with its odd 1 shot. Or maybe they decided to make the 12" flamer change after these sheets were made, who knows lol.

I'm guessing they're giving the Heavy Onslaught +1 strength to help differentiate it over the normal Onslaught, makes it better against T5 and light T3 infantry.

They once again didn't list the overcharge for plasma weapon, but yeah I'd expect it to be D3 unless the rules are changing.

Also the Redemptor Fist is "+3", which is a typo I'm unsure how to interpret. The invictor fist is flat 3 damage, if the redemptor fist is still meant to do more damage, then it could be d3+3 or something.

The flamer range could be typo as well, otherwise the Redemptor Fist heals your opponents.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Weird.

HOGC stays at 12, but bumps strength while the OGC goes to 8 at S5.
Heavy flamer doesn't go to 12", but is now S6.

Ugh. The last thing they needed was more inconsistent special snowflake weapons.

Onslaughts are definitely taking a different role to heavy bolters though.

Fist is also flattened to damage 3 (probably a stray + sign)

Macro Plasma is somewhat interesting. I don't feel too bad about it since as a vehicle main gun, it was rather rubbish at D1. (Especially on the Repulsor Executioner) Supercharge mode is pretty dangerous for a d6 shot weapon.

Seems like they're either rolling dice and assigning random buffs to each weapon based on a D6 table, or it's another case of Gee-dubs lacking a decent proofreader.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Seems like they're either rolling dice and assigning random buffs to each weapon based on a D6 table, or it's another case of Gee-dubs lacking a decent proofreader.

While I won't rule out the former just yet, the fact we're seeing basic stat errors make it to print - the "+3" DMG, and the weapon on one of the other kits whose AP value would appear to improve a target's save (a Chainfist, wasn't it?) - would imply that the proofreaders need a talkin' to.

Assuming, of course, that these documents are proofed.

Well we know from Warhammer Community that Flamers and Heavy Flamers are moving to 12”, and it’s self-evident that Damage can’t be a healing characteristic, so it’s fairly obvious there are errors in some of these packaged Datasheets. But given as virtually no one will use them as a rules source it’s not a problem. Codex will be out in October likely alongside faction FAQs to patch those weapons for other armies, so it’ll all come out in the wash.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Well we know from Warhammer Community that Flamers and Heavy Flamers are moving to 12”, and it’s self-evident that Damage can’t be a healing characteristic, so it’s fairly obvious there are errors in some of these packaged Datasheets. But given as virtually no one will use them as a rules source it’s not a problem. Codex will be out in October likely alongside faction FAQs to patch those weapons for other armies, so it’ll all come out in the wash.

You mean FAQ's for imperial Armies.

Ice_can wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Well we know from Warhammer Community that Flamers and Heavy Flamers are moving to 12”, and it’s self-evident that Damage can’t be a healing characteristic, so it’s fairly obvious there are errors in some of these packaged Datasheets. But given as virtually no one will use them as a rules source it’s not a problem. Codex will be out in October likely alongside faction FAQs to patch those weapons for other armies, so it’ll all come out in the wash.

You mean FAQ's for imperial Armies.

no because they've said this'll also apply to chaos as well. Yes Xenos armies who use entirely differant weapons though will proably have to wait. still when you factor in all the codices likely to gt the needed boosts that's a good 10 (more if you count the marine chapters as differant armies) out of 20 armies. and Genestealer cults likely use a lot of Imperial weaponry too. so come october over half of the armies in the game will have gotten their needed adjustments

BrianDavion wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Well we know from Warhammer Community that Flamers and Heavy Flamers are moving to 12”, and it’s self-evident that Damage can’t be a healing characteristic, so it’s fairly obvious there are errors in some of these packaged Datasheets. But given as virtually no one will use them as a rules source it’s not a problem. Codex will be out in October likely alongside faction FAQs to patch those weapons for other armies, so it’ll all come out in the wash.

You mean FAQ's for imperial Armies.

no because they've said this'll also apply to chaos as well. Yes Xenos armies who use entirely differant weapons though will proably have to wait. still when you factor in all the codices likely to gt the needed boosts that's a good 10 (more if you count the marine chapters as differant armies) out of 20 armies. and Genestealer cults likely use a lot of Imperial weaponry too. so come october over half of the armies in the game will have gotten their needed adjustments

Which will make playing anything not on the list very not fun games against these nee 9th edition armies.

Right now we have points that make 0 sence and have not improved balance, we are now getting the old rules by codex complete design change mentality of GW back.

Not to mention so far the oh its a 20% points increase for marines for these new rules still dont make 9 point Kabalite, FireWarriors or Guardians more playbale.

Also no Marines arn't different codex's they are just overbloated subfactions. Imperial fists vrs Iron hands realy dont play that differently its not a Nids to Drukari level different play style.

It's going to change maybe 8 codex's if they touch Deathguard
All the xeno players are frankly going to be so fed up with 9th by the time GW soets out the power creep disparity it's going to need a relaunch of a nee system to avoid this becoming Horus Heresy 2.0

Armies CONFIRMED to be seeing some Adjustments in October:

Space Marines. Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Chaos Space Marines. Death Guard (it's been confirmed they're seeing SOME tweeks, and frankly 2 wounds combined with T5 and disgustingly resiliant will likely be pretty damn tough) Thousand Sons, NECRONS

Armies who may weapons adjustments:
Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights (granted in this case it'll basicly be pretty minimal, but meltaguns are an option for Knights) AdMech (they have one or two weapons shared but most of their gear is admech specific) Custodes (any change to Lascanons will impact their land raider) Genestealer cults


so yeah, over all, a fair number of armies will be changed.

BrianDavion wrote:
Armies CONFIRMED to be seeing some Adjustments in October:

Space Marines. Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Chaos Space Marines. Death Guard (it's been confirmed they're seeing SOME tweeks, and frankly 2 wounds combined with T5 and disgustingly resiliant will likely be pretty damn tough) Thousand Sons, NECRONS

Armies who may weapons adjustments:
Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights (granted in this case it'll basicly be pretty minimal, but meltaguns are an option for Knights) AdMech (they have one or two weapons shared but most of their gear is admech specific) Custodes (any change to Lascanons will impact their land raider) Genestealer cults


so yeah, over all, a fair number of armies will be changed.

Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

New models have been teased for Orks & Drukari so I wouldn't be surprised if they got new books soon (unless they are just new versions of existing models - boyz & Lelith).

BrianDavion wrote:
Armies CONFIRMED to be seeing some Adjustments in October:

Space Marines. Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Chaos Space Marines. Death Guard (it's been confirmed they're seeing SOME tweeks, and frankly 2 wounds combined with T5 and disgustingly resiliant will likely be pretty damn tough) Thousand Sons, NECRONS

Armies who may weapons adjustments:
Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights (granted in this case it'll basicly be pretty minimal, but meltaguns are an option for Knights) AdMech (they have one or two weapons shared but most of their gear is admech specific) Custodes (any change to Lascanons will impact their land raider) Genestealer cults


so yeah, over all, a fair number of armies will be changed.

I understood that DG would get weapon upgrades, but 2W plague marines will have to wait until the codex drops.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

Because right now that's what is going to shortly be reality.

If they have to wait untill September 2021 you really believe that's acceptable?

Marines are the current top army/codex and they are getting the first codex of 9th in october we then have already confirmed by GW 4 suppliments for said codex plus Necrons that probably covers 40k book's for the rest of 2020, we then have choas who currently don't work in 9th, unless they are going back to multiple codex's per month some fractions will be waiting a year untill they get their 9th edition codex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

because the WC article said that those armies get the update with their new Codex, while the others get the update via Errata
so unless those Xenos armies get their new books first after SM & Necs, they will have to wait for adjustments

New Marine Command Squad Datasheet is leaked.

Bolter may go to 30"
But it could be just a veteran version of the standard boltgun.



Posting the image doesnt work :( posted the link instead

https://imgur.com/gallery/dTdr1Pn

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

I do wonder if Skorchas will go to 12" at the same time as Heavy Flamers. There are plenty of direct Imperial equivalents for Xenos with different names. A rose by any other name...

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

I do wonder if Skorchas will go to 12" at the same time as Heavy Flamers. There are plenty of direct Imperial equivalents for Xenos with different names. A rose by any other name...

I think the weapon profiles will be adjusted accordingly but there could be a delay in time. Xenos may get an errate or maybe have to wait until a codex for the faction in question drops.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I do wonder if Skorchas will go to 12" at the same time as Heavy Flamers. There are plenty of direct Imperial equivalents for Xenos with different names. A rose by any other name...

I hope so.

Of course, to compensate, Burners will go from D3 shots to D2 shots.

The article was pretty clear that any xenos weapon that doesn't have the exact same name as a space marine equivalent won't get updated until that faction's codex.

yukishiro1 wrote:
The article was pretty clear that any xenos weapon that doesn't have the exact same name as a space marine equivalent won't get updated until that faction's codex.

the relevant quote here is

While most of their (Xenos') wargear may not be as ubiquitous as the Imperium’s mass-produced arsenal, their weapons will also be looked at too, when each of their codexes comes around.

(emphisis added)

so yeah don't expect Orks to get updates to Burna's until codex orks 9E comes out.

the_scotsman wrote:
"Sarge, should I overcharge the plasma gun?"

"Ehhhhhh.....nah, I mean...it's just a necron immortal, I don't really think it'll make any difference, just normal power will be fine. It's not like it's something tough, defined by being a faction of nearly impossible to bring down death robots."

"Got it sarge. I - oh god! Sarge! Standing on that necron's corpse! It's...a sp-sp-space marine, and he's got v-v-v-v-v-eteran stripes on his shoulderpad!"

"OH MAN, OH GOD, OH MAN, CRANK IT TO THE MAX JENKINS, I'LL NOTIFY YOUR NEXT OF KIN!!!"

Nice one, made me laugh out loud. Have an exalt!

I just saw Carnifex with wings and 4 Damage gun...

armisael wrote:
I just saw Carnifex with wings and 4 Damage gun...

Say what?

armisael wrote:
I just saw Carnifex with wings and 4 Damage gun...

The super obviously fake one that's been circulating for a couple of days?

ERJAK wrote:

armisael wrote:
I just saw Carnifex with wings and 4 Damage gun...

The super obviously fake one that's been circulating for a couple of days?

I’m not sure, may be a fake one.
Just saw a small cropped part.

Yeah it's a fake.
There's an uncropped version of the troll out there that has an ascii art penis as one of the weapon profiles

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

Because those armies dont really use Imperium flamers, multi meltas or heavy bolters which were the only changes they said would be passed on to other armies without a codex release

 Billagio wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Expect that leaves Nids, Eldar, Drukari, Tau, Harliquines and Orks esentially all the Xeno players playing 8th edition armies vrs 9th edition armies why do GW think this is good enough.

Why do you think they think that? Why are you acting as if change isn't coming for every army you just mentioned?

Because those armies dont really use Imperium flamers, multi meltas or heavy bolters which were the only changes they said would be passed on to other armies without a codex release

Outside of tournies it's easy eneugh to house rule "ok so a burna is basicly just a flamer so we'll update it's range accordingly. a fusion lance is a melta so we'll treat it like a melta"

but some armies have totally differant weapons etc. and simply errataing the weapons might not exactly work.