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 Grimtuff wrote:
"Profit for customers"? Don't make me laugh. You know that much of this will not be sold on. It will left to rot in a box somewhere in a cupboard. Most gamers will not flip it, more still won't even have the means to.

I am around a lot of other gamers and have been for many years. I know what the demographics of them are and the bankers and stockbrokers making six figures don't come round our way. A load of people have been suckered in by GW and now they're paying the price (literally).

Selling it results in a profit - fact.
Stating players will not sell them and just leave them about - opinion based on nothing.
No means to flip it? Discord, dakka, eBay, Amazon, etsy, just about any other miniature forum.
If they ordered it online they have the means to sell it online.

More assumptions based on nothing, except you somehow know the demographics of an entire player base, or have a sample size large enough to get accurate statistics.
Also stating that anyone who is well off for money isn’t interested in the hobby? This is based on what? The people you know again?
You release that a lot of actors/singers are in the hobby, right? There is no restriction based on being too rich.


At this point, try to state something with some actual facts rather than an opinion of knowing everything but failing to prove it.

 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
useless unsellable mini-bikes

Funnily enough people ran mathhammer on it, and old bikes are pretty much even points for points with the new primaris ones (yes, the same ones some whiny kids declared ""OP"" without ever seeing them in action) on top of being much more flexible due to actual gun and melee options. I guess one of the top two SM units (next to grav devastators) of this edition is 'useless' and no one will buy it, certainly not meta chasers

Yeah I know, I was being mildly facetious. In the same way that those fairly ugly wolves models are of use to someone, there are definitely at least four to seven people out there that will genuinely want to buy some mini-bikes because they're about as good as new bigboy bikes ingame, making this blind-buy an absolute bargain for a non-zero number of people out there instead of just the impulse buy of a desperate addict

 Grimtuff wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.

Have fun trying to flip those minis when the market will be flooded with them.

Except I never got one, go back and read previous posts here.
“Flooded” with something that had a limited number of releases?

You realise that SC sets don’t drop prices by much and they are an item that isn’t limited to quantity.

Sounds more like a sour post on your part here if anything.

If I had an addiction I’d be buying the sets, however, I can afford to buy them and still eat, so please don’t use your own standards of living and apply them to others.

I'm not using my own standards of living. I'm just laughing at people who chucked money at this.

But apparently I seem to have to justify everything I post ITT to you... Keep defending sweet lady GW though, I'm sure she cannot take these barbs!

You can laugh at people all you want (although it seems kind of pathetic, but whatever floats your boat). But personally i wish i actually did pick one up now. There's a lot of stuff and bits i could have used in that and for a decent price too. Oh well, next time.

Wow, the imperium box looks better than I dared hope, most of those kits are pretty new (to me at least ).

If mine has even half of the quality of the one posted above I will be over the moon.

For whatever reason, this thread has brought out a lot of negative, bitter posts, seemingly the vast majority from people who could not or did not order one.

Maybe the people who claimed that it would be full of water pots, dice, "6 Cadian Heavy Weapon Teams", combat gauges, or orther worthless tat will be fair enough to admit that they got it wrong this time. Maybe

And for the people who, after seeing the contents, are still claiming that you couldnt make a profit on that stuff if you chose to put the unwanted items on ebay...well, you clearly don't understand how to sell on ebay.

Congrats to everybody who was lucky enough to get one, and good luck to everyone if they decide to take the plunge next time!

While there are a couple of things in there that are certainly slow sellers, I dare say this was more of an exercise in cashflow, not moving old stock. Win-win.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.

But I didn't get a lemon - I got a centipede (tomb stalker ).

Anyway like I said you're simply viewing this whole situation through the eyes of someone who wants specific models without considering that people buy models for reasons other than gameplay. For someone with an extensive collection or who is more into building and painting random grab-bags at discount are a neat thing for them. It's not a gab-bag for everyone and GW never made it out to be like that.


Also I'd wager many of those who "cannot afford" are likely being somewhat hyperbolic. Redit is full of such viewpoints (often from teens who can never afford anything it seems ). Regardless I'm sure any who want to sell stuff on will and if not they are neat models.


In the end I'd not get the Imperial one; I'd get a Adepticus Titanticus or an Escher or terrain or specific Xenos one sure. Heck I'd be tempted by a Warcry one.

nice box, notting i could really use, but for a blind buy its great. im not a gambler and i hate selling minitures
so thats my reson not to buy. but gratz to the poeple that did buy it hope you have some stuff you like and you can
make a bit off money with the rest. or start a new army

 Overread wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.

But I didn't get a lemon - I got a centipede (tomb stalker ).

Anyway like I said you're simply viewing this whole situation through the eyes of someone who wants specific models without considering that people buy models for reasons other than gameplay. For someone with an extensive collection or who is more into building and painting random grab-bags at discount are a neat thing for them. It's not a gab-bag for everyone and GW never made it out to be like that.


Also I'd wager many of those who "cannot afford" are likely being somewhat hyperbolic. Redit is full of such viewpoints (often from teens who can never afford anything it seems ). Regardless I'm sure any who want to sell stuff on will and if not they are neat models.


In the end I'd not get the Imperial one; I'd get a Adepticus Titanticus or an Escher or terrain or specific Xenos one sure. Heck I'd be tempted by a Warcry one.

Right? Gotta act a fool so to validate one's rage.

I'd love those minis. A couple would make great presents for friends. A couple for the painting display to inspire the kids. Bits for conversions.

Some people really need to learn to unwind their bs.

I would be happy with that , i don't game just collect and paint and dont have any of those models, didn't buy a box though as I thought it was going to be much worse to be honest.

Hoping the US gets one of these boxes someday. That's a good assortment of models to paint.

Dudeface wrote:
It's weird, they can offer blind product at 50% off and that's cheap enough for people to launch at it until they're sold out, regardless of contents. Hopefully it might show them that if they lower prices there would be a feeding frenzy.

hahahahahahahaha

*Takes a deep breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

macluvin wrote:
It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...

Nothing, absolutely nothing, in this box is free, and if you think it is you are just training yourself in bad consumption habits.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By whales I assume you mean “people of a differing opinion”, yeah?

No, whales. The hobby has a lot of them. Truly a lot.

 kodos wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
So long as they tell you at the time of purchase, this isn't a problem.

No, not under EU law
Online purchase of any kind has always a 14 days refund, without the need for a reason as long as the costumer did not use the item

so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer

I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:
At least it will give an indication of what sells well and what doesn't!

Sort of... It tells what they made too much of. Some of the boxes may have outsold several other products but fell below expectations.

Like how a movie can make $30 million and be a hit, while another makes $100 million and is a bomb. It's expectations vs results.

Underworlds had a very 'meta' fixation at times, with people outright telling new players to avoid certain warbands.

Godsworn Hunt was one of those early on.

Underworlds is GW's most explicitly competitive game created to cater to a certain crowd.

 EnTyme wrote:
You are so close to self-awareness right now, yukishiro1

Better'n being a nob, but that's still not a bar you've managed to clear.

 xttz wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
40K Imperium supply box in Italy (don't know if it's identical to other countries):
- Sallies Adrax Agatone
- DA Master Lazarus
- BA Mephiston
- SoB Arco-flagellants
- WS Korsarro Khan
- SW Fenrisian Wolves
- SM Bikes

Pics not mine, from a fb group

Spoiler:

That's more newer stock than I expected; thought it would all be stuff like SM bikes or Guard infantry. Most of those are under 12 months old.

Makes a strange amount of sense to have it be a bunch of named characters. Those are actually some of the hardest models to shift. You on;y ever need one, and only if you have that one specific subfaction.

diepotato47 wrote:
While there are a couple of things in there that are certainly slow sellers, I dare say this was more of an exercise in cashflow, not moving old stock. Win-win.

Named special characters for marine subfactions aren't normally mega sellers. Especially if over produced. This is still stock clearing, it's just the stock they need to clear is newer than people supposed.

 EnTyme wrote:
Hoping the US gets one of these boxes someday. That's a good assortment of models to paint.

I hope so too, it would be good for every area to have a chance to get their hands on one.

Hopefully next time they won’t sell out in 15 mins too!

Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.

The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.

I think I need to take a break from posting for a while, I’m a bit tired of the same topics being rehashed and the same posters being relentlessly negative.

Enjoy your supply boxes people

stratigo wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer

I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.

Not going to happen.

If you're in the UK a quick word with your local trading standards department would probably see you sorted. Or it would be a completely straightforward case in a small claims court, where fees are very low and are usually refunded if you win your case. And there would be no possible defence if you had evidence that you were invoking your right to a refund from GW and that they told you to pound sand.

.And GW are well aware of all this,

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.

The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.

No, the reason they don't do sales is that they believe it devalues their product.

And really, blind bags of random kits at a massive discount does more for that than sales ever could by highlighting how overpriced these kits are.


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Derek H wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer

I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.

Not going to happen.

If you're in the UK a quick word with your local trading standards department would probably see you sorted . Or it would be a completely straightforward case in a small claims court, where fees are very low and are usually refunded if you win your case. And there would be no possible defence if you had evidence that you were invoking your right to a refund from GW and that they told you to pound sand.

.And GW are well aware of all this,

Yeah, there's no argument that GW can use to avoid refunds if people ask for them from EU countries. And this won't be a protracted, drawn out legal battle. Here in the UK it will be fill out online form to claim against GW in small claims court and pay the filing fee, pop down to your local magistrates court on your given date, hand over your receipt and copy of your request for a refund and then listen to the ruling in your favour.

13 pages and seems to be just complaining. Lol

It's bizarre that they sold them packaged in the original packaging. I am trying to return a Mephiston right now, hope this doesn't cause them to reject my request because they'll be suspicious whether it's someone trying to scam them by returning something they bought at half price for full credit. I suppose if they've tracked the serial numbers they'll be able to distinguish, but it's not something they've ever cared about with returns before, so it'd be very Gee-dubs if they weren't set up to handle it.

tneva82 wrote:
13 pages and seems to be just complaining. Lol

It is Dakka.

yukishiro1 wrote:
It's bizarre that they sold them packaged in the original packaging. I am trying to return a Mephiston right now, hope this doesn't cause them to reject my request because they'll be suspicious whether it's someone trying to scam them by returning something they bought at half price for full credit.

As long as you have your receipt it will be fine as you can prove it was paid for separately.

I don't, that's the issue (got it as a gift). In the past they've always been happy to take unopened stuff for online store credit, whether you have a receipt or not. I hope they don't use this as an excuse to change the policy, that flexible return policy is honestly the best thing about how GW runs its business.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I don't, that's the issue (got it as a gift). In the past they've always been happy to take unopened stuff for online store credit, whether you have a receipt or not. I hope they don't use this as an excuse to change the policy, that flexible return policy is honestly the best thing about how GW runs its business.

It just means they have been lenient.
Legally they can ask for proof of purchase (receipt, card statement etc) and if you don’t have it, they have no obligation to accept a return.


Edit: The drops weren’t available in the US were they?
That may actually help your case.

It's not really a matter of being lenient, they have been clear in the past that their policy is to take unopened stuff for store credit, so people act in reliance on that. And they do it because it makes them money - even if the person bought it from some other place, their margins are so high that giving store credit in return for getting the thing back to sell a second time makes them money overall. It's not done out of the goodness of their heart, it's because it makes economic sense.

I already submitted the request (with a photo) before the boxes went on sale, so I assume in this particular request they will be able to see it couldn't possibly be someone returning a Mephiston they got from the lootbox, especially since they weren't available here in the US. I just hope it doesn't mean they'll start being more difficult about returns in the future.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.

The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.

No, the reason they don't do sales is that they believe it devalues their product.

And really, blind bags of random kits at a massive discount does more for that than sales ever could by highlighting how overpriced these kits are.

The issue is that if you saw Marines in a box for sale at 50% off and if GW started doing sales would you buy Marines at full price? No you'd wait till they were 50% off again. So suddenly marines would slow in sales, not stop, but they would slow until they went on sale again. Suddenly GW would have to put Marines on sale to get the volume of sales up.

The big issue here is that GW has sold marines for 30 years. If they start to devalue their product and the prices start heading downward then GW can end up in a precarious position where the perceived value of their product is going down, but the price to do business and inflation is going up. Computer games have had issues with this as big things like steam sales have driven prices down and down causing people to complain and wait for sales far more so. It was a muted element for a while because computer games enjoyed a vast market growth which let their prices stagnate for a long while; but they have steadily gone up over the last decade or so (at least for console and AAA games).

It's a tricky balance, but for GW what works are things like Christmas bundles and bundle blocks whereby they aren't devaluing marines, just the bundle that happens to include marines and which might or might not come around again.


Of course we can argue about the base price and consider that it imght want lowering or such; but sales mess with things. It's a big issue for GW because, as noted, their products are long term not short term.

 Overread wrote:


The issue is that if you saw Marines in a box for sale at 50% off and if GW started doing sales would you buy Marines at full price? No you'd wait till they were 50% off again. So suddenly marines would slow in sales, not stop, but they would slow until they went on sale again. Suddenly GW would have to put Marines on sale to get the volume of sales up.

Plus the only other time I've seen GW offer big discount on things is when that range is ending, such as the Epic 40k stock sell off when that got canned, or 2E codexes before 3E came out.

If I saw space marines at half price my first thought would be "that unit is getting Squatted"

A huge part of the sag in video gaming drops in value actually came from the used game market. Video games always cost 60$ new regardless of the platform unless it is indie. So consoles have the same pricing issues as PC games, but due more to the used market rather than sales. Besides, there is a thriving portion of the market happy to purchase games and DLC at full price each time around. The thing that is cheapening these games is time as hype dies down and people are already drooling for the next big game. There is a fair bit of waiting before they go on sale or in the case of consoles, games cycle back to the used shelf at the local GameStop or whatever.

I just really want to see a show of hands from all the posters who sell off the contents of their boxes for a profit.

The entire hobby boardgame industry's been devalued. You can't even post a 20% discount on BGG Hot Deals or r/boardgaming, because that's the standard discount from OLGS's. MAPP is a standard pricing practice, which FFG and Privateer Press, implement *exactly* to prevent reduction in "perceived value".

Seems to me that the imperium supply drop was a good deal.
I hope GW only carry on doing them intermittently though.

If they aren't doing it as a continual offer then they won't be incentivized to use it as a 'bin' for poor selling sets.

No one I know still pays MSRP or even MSRP-15% for GW. And eBay seems like the last place one could expect to list widely circulated product for near MSRP and sell it.