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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
hold up now it doesn't have a base ???? Okay...

Spoletta wrote:
Also, it not being on a base really makes it look like it was intended to be a vehicle.

Because if it had a base, the base would have to be part of the sprue. It's an EZ2B model, so everything has to:

1. Be on the sprue.
2. Not require glue.

It's got nothing to do with its "intent" as a vehicle or anything else. It's just space on the frame.

that doesn't make any sense. if that's your logic then the redemptor dread wouldn't have a base

BrianDavion wrote:
that doesn't make any sense. if that's your logic then the redemptor dread wouldn't have a base

But doesn't the Redemptor have a standard sized base?

Of course there are a lot more sizes of base these days, so who knows? Either way, there's nothing illogical about what I said.

I like the trike conversion. Need some 3D printed armor for the front though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
that doesn't make any sense. if that's your logic then the redemptor dread wouldn't have a base

But doesn't the Redemptor have a standard sized base?

Of course there are a lot more sizes of base these days, so who knows? Either way, there's nothing illogical about what I said.

The Repulsor is a Vehicle.

The Repulsor has a base.

Not having a base makes you think the ATV should be a vehicle.

That's the inconsistency.

The ATV is the first new anything in a long long time that doesn't have a base.

Breton wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
that doesn't make any sense. if that's your logic then the redemptor dread wouldn't have a base

But doesn't the Redemptor have a standard sized base?

Of course there are a lot more sizes of base these days, so who knows? Either way, there's nothing illogical about what I said.

The Repulsor is a Vehicle.

The Repulsor has a base.

Not having a base makes you think the ATV should be a vehicle.

That's the inconsistency.

The ATV is the first new anything in a long long time that doesn't have a base.

we where talking the REDEMPTOR

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
that doesn't make any sense. if that's your logic then the redemptor dread wouldn't have a base

But doesn't the Redemptor have a standard sized base?

Of course there are a lot more sizes of base these days, so who knows? Either way, there's nothing illogical about what I said.

The Repulsor is a Vehicle.

The Repulsor has a base.

Not having a base makes you think the ATV should be a vehicle.

That's the inconsistency.

The ATV is the first new anything in a long long time that doesn't have a base.

we where talking the REDEMPTOR

I mentioned the Repulsor. But the Redemptor is also a vehicle. The Redemptor has a base. This is still the first new thing in a long time that doesn't have a base.

Not funny looking, eh?
Then explain this!

Breton wrote:

Spoiler:

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
that doesn't make any sense. if that's your logic then the redemptor dread wouldn't have a base

But doesn't the Redemptor have a standard sized base?

Of course there are a lot more sizes of base these days, so who knows? Either way, there's nothing illogical about what I said.

The Repulsor is a Vehicle.

The Repulsor has a base.

Not having a base makes you think the ATV should be a vehicle.

That's the inconsistency.

The ATV is the first new anything in a long long time that doesn't have a base.

we where talking the REDEMPTOR

I mentioned the Repulsor. But the Redemptor is also a vehicle. The Redemptor has a base. This is still the first new thing in a long time that doesn't have a base.

The Skorpius Dunerider would like a word with you. As would, depending on your definition of new, the Immolater and Exorcist.

Walkers have come with suitable bases since at least 3rd edition. Flyers require them to show that they, well, fly. Same with Skimmers, even those that should have tracks instead of anti-grav. Winnow away those three types, and I'd say it is more unusual for a vehicle to have a base than not - the Ork buggies being an exception here, but that may be due to how the Speed Freaks game was designed.

a_typical_hero wrote:
Not funny looking, eh?
Then explain this!

YES!! Somebody actually did it. And with such panache, too.

Umm... I think BrianDavion's point was that the ETB Redemptor Dread came with a regular (not on the sprue, not pushfit) base, therefore HBMC's argument that the ATV lacks a base solely because it's an ETB model is invalid.

Surely I can't be the only one who understood what Brian was on about?

 Duskweaver wrote:
Umm... I think BrianDavion's point was that the ETB Redemptor Dread came with a regular (not on the sprue, not pushfit) base, therefore HBMC's argument that the ATV lacks a base solely because it's an ETB model is invalid.

Surely I can't be the only one who understood what Brian was on about?

Oh, outside of scenic bases for characters all the ETB/Press Fit stuff I've seen came with "normal" black bases that just had a predrilled hole for "foot" pegs.

It is literally the worst model ever produced in the primaris era. Probably ever. Whatever you have to do to justify including them in your army because they are OP is fine dude. They are perfectly legal to include in your lists. Don't feel bad about it. Just graciously accept the THAT GUY moniker. You can't actually think this model looks good. It is objectively impossible.

I went the opposite direction and trimmed the rear wheel covers off:



I don't think it really fixes the model, but I do like it better.

That's pretty dope. Looks like an Air Droppable vehicle for use behind enemy lines, allowing higher maneuverability, slightly better firepower and (and this is important) ability to transport extra gear. I'd load one down like a Gulf War FAV.

Btw, Myphitic Blight Hauler is probably the closest thing to the ATV. It's a light vehicle, it's ETB, it is a pretty recent model (8th Edition) - it still does have a base. It's not purely standard because it comes with three holes in it that align to the MBHs chains.

 Xenomancers wrote:
It is literally the worst model ever produced in the primaris era. Probably ever. Whatever you have to do to justify including them in your army because they are OP is fine dude. They are perfectly legal to include in your lists. Don't feel bad about it. Just graciously accept the THAT GUY moniker. You can't actually think this model looks good. It is objectively impossible.

Good to see you still being way off on statements and predictions.
As an initial detractor of the model at first look, it is far better in person. In my opinion, it is better looking than both the Repulsor and Impulsor models, not to mention inceptors.

The biggest downfall to it currently, is that it should have phobos crew and been part of the vanguard.

 Xenomancers wrote:
It is literally the worst model ever produced in the primaris era. Probably ever. Whatever you have to do to justify including them in your army because they are OP is fine dude. They are perfectly legal to include in your lists. Don't feel bad about it. Just graciously accept the THAT GUY moniker. You can't actually think this model looks good. It is objectively impossible.

Wow are you really so fething egotistical you think your view on AESTETICS is an absolute?!



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 bullyboy wrote:


The biggest downfall to it currently, is that it should have phobos crew and been part of the vanguard.

I think they're intended to accompany bikes so wear the same armor. now that said, OUTRIDERS being vangaurd would make a lot of sense, but since they're strapped into a vehicle wearing lighter armor would achomplish little

 Xenomancers wrote:
It is literally the worst model ever produced in the primaris era. Probably ever.

These gentlemen would like a word with you.

Did everyone forget about the wonky looking primaris inceptors and the other bizzare models? The ATV is bad but not nearly as bad as the other models in the primaris range which has been very lackluster overall.

It kinda looks like the Tumbler from the Dark Knight batman movies, just smaller and with a dude on a turret

 Asherian Command wrote:
Did everyone forget about the wonky looking primaris inceptors and the other bizzare models? The ATV is bad but not nearly as bad as the other models in the primaris range which has been very lackluster overall.

I love Inceptors! Genuinely, I think they're an awesome model and I dont even mind the flight stands everyone always grumbles about. Its all extremely subjective.

I like Inceptors too, but the stands are awful. Even after I figured out it’s a lot easier to stand the model on its head and glue the stand on while pointing up the air, it’s just bad.

Breton wrote:
I like Inceptors too, but the stands are awful. Even after I figured out it’s a lot easier to stand the model on its head and glue the stand on while pointing up the air, it’s just bad.

They just need supporting while the plastic glue dries, and given proper time to fully dry (plastic glue takes like 24 hours to fully set). Do that, and I dont have problems. And I have 12 Inceptors.

I really dont get why people have so many issues with them.

 Stux wrote:

Breton wrote:
I like Inceptors too, but the stands are awful. Even after I figured out it’s a lot easier to stand the model on its head and glue the stand on while pointing up the air, it’s just bad.

They just need supporting while the plastic glue dries, and given proper time to fully dry (plastic glue takes like 24 hours to fully set). Do that, and I dont have problems. And I have 12 Inceptors.

I really dont get why people have so many issues with them.

the Peg/Hole mechanic was much easier, and non permanent. They didn't need to reinvent the wheel into a more fragile more complicated system I liked Peg/Hole on speeders, (and running legs on Assault Marines) because you could take them off the base during storage and/or they took up less height.

This thread reeks of desperation lol

 Nitro Zeus wrote:
This thread reeks of desperation lol

For what? Aesthetics are subjective choice, what is so desperate about it?

Sterling191 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It is literally the worst model ever produced in the primaris era. Probably ever.

These gentlemen would like a word with you.

Well that is not primaris era. Only issue with those mutilators is the face. The body looks pretty sweet.

This gokart might be the worst model ever though. It is a strong contendor. ESP if you factor in modeling standards of the time. Some early models just look bad - but thats not fair cause all models in the early days look bad IMO.

 Stux wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Did everyone forget about the wonky looking primaris inceptors and the other bizzare models? The ATV is bad but not nearly as bad as the other models in the primaris range which has been very lackluster overall.

I love Inceptors! Genuinely, I think they're an awesome model and I dont even mind the flight stands everyone always grumbles about. Its all extremely subjective.

Yeah Inceptors aren't bad once you see them in person but the flying Autocannon dudes are a different story.

I like the model. I think it is neat. Its pretty much the reason I jumped on the SM bandwagon. I just wish they could attach to outriders like attack bikes could attach to regular bikes.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Did everyone forget about the wonky looking primaris inceptors and the other bizzare models? The ATV is bad but not nearly as bad as the other models in the primaris range which has been very lackluster overall.

I love Inceptors! Genuinely, I think they're an awesome model and I dont even mind the flight stands everyone always grumbles about. Its all extremely subjective.

Yeah Inceptors aren't bad once you see them in person but the flying Autocannon dudes are a different story.

The ETB Inceptors are bad. Especially around the boots.

Breton wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Did everyone forget about the wonky looking primaris inceptors and the other bizzare models? The ATV is bad but not nearly as bad as the other models in the primaris range which has been very lackluster overall.

I love Inceptors! Genuinely, I think they're an awesome model and I dont even mind the flight stands everyone always grumbles about. Its all extremely subjective.

Yeah Inceptors aren't bad once you see them in person but the flying Autocannon dudes are a different story.

The ETB Inceptors are bad. Especially around the boots.

I don't really expect any ETB kit to exactly be great.