The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?

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**Roknar**

yukishiro1 wrote:
FW is no longer a 40k company. They're keeping token support for some existing models, nothing more.

The book looks to be a "let's charge people money to slowly squat their units" exercise, so I'd be very surprised if the rule are any good.

**updated- just missed the kytan **
That seems to be about the gist of it.

Not only does this look like basically an index 2.0, we lost a whole bunch of units.
On CSM side I'm counting:

- hellforged predator
- vindicator laser destroyer
- Ferrum Infernus
- EC Sonic dreadnought
- Plaguehulk
- zhufor
- Necrosius
- Lord Arkos
- Hellwright
- Hellwright on abeyant

The vindicator they probably simply forgot...again, but the predator is a bit surprsing.
And they didn't both bringing back legacies either. I was looking forward to this but I'm pretty dissapointed so far.

**AnomanderRake**

buddha wrote:
With the death of Alan Bligh the Imperial Armor series is dead. GW has made it clear they want FW to focus on 30k and specialist games. No more 40k.

Now, part of this isn't insidious, it's due to technology improvements. When FW was founded to make big and detailed models it wasn't cost effective to do them in plastic and resin was the only economical option. Fast forward to 2020 and there isn't much GW can't do with plastic. Just look at the new Necrons and Son of Behmat. As such, no need for FW to be doing 40k stuff anymore.

This would be a stronger argument if GW could be bothered to start doing in plastic any of the things FW made. They're happy to make endless waves of Primaris, the occasional giant cow monster for Sigmar, can't we have a tank now and again? Are we doomed to languish with masses of 4e-vintage vehicles forever?

**dan2026**

AnomanderRake wrote:
buddha wrote:
With the death of Alan Bligh the Imperial Armor series is dead. GW has made it clear they want FW to focus on 30k and specialist games. No more 40k.

Now, part of this isn't insidious, it's due to technology improvements. When FW was founded to make big and detailed models it wasn't cost effective to do them in plastic and resin was the only economical option. Fast forward to 2020 and there isn't much GW can't do with plastic. Just look at the new Necrons and Son of Behmat. As such, no need for FW to be doing 40k stuff anymore.

This would be a stronger argument if GW could be bothered to start doing in plastic any of the things FW made. They're happy to make endless waves of Primaris, the occasional giant cow monster for Sigmar, can't we have a tank now and again? Are we doomed to languish with masses of 4e-vintage vehicles forever?

I wonder about this when I think of all the things GW could of made and hasn't.
With even a 10% reduction in Marine models, we could of had Aspect Warriors, Cadians, IG tanks, new orks, Dark Eldar characters, Corsairs, Renegades, the skies the fething limit.

**ArcaneHorror**

chimeara wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Well, there go my plans to build a Hellforged Predator. I chalk it up to the model not selling since the design was just so lame, even though the rules are cool. Also, why did they get rid of Samus?

My poor Lord Zhufor got iced as well. I just got a Flamethrower predator a few months ago as well.

I didn't notice that at first, that sucks as well.

**Kanluwen**

buddha wrote:
With the death of Alan Bligh the Imperial Armor series is dead. GW has made it clear they want FW to focus on 30k and specialist games. No more 40k.

Now, part of this isn't insidious, it's due to technology improvements. When FW was founded to make big and detailed models it wasn't cost effective to do them in plastic and resin was the only economical option. Fast forward to 2020 and there isn't much GW can't do with plastic. Just look at the new Necrons and Son of Behmat. As such, no need for FW to be doing 40k stuff anymore.

I won't lie...I can't say I'll miss the Imperial Armor of days of yore, where books came out and were the only source for the rules necessitating photocopying. The books were fantastic, just wildly inconvenient.

It's not like GW is sitting around doing nothing with the more 'narrative' side of things though. Crusade and the Battlezones that we just saw in WD, IMO, feels a lot like what Bligh liked to accomplish with those books in terms of story and the like.

**generalchaos34**

I just hope some of the classics like Medusa, Avengers, and Thunderbolts (some of my guard favorites) move into the realm of usable. Right now they are either anemic or just too pricey for what they do (although the loss of heavy -1 to hit makes some of the fliers a lot juicier). They don't need to be "good" by a long shot, just usable so I can pull them off the shelf to air drop some death onto my opponents.

Also anyone notice that Salamanders and Sabre Defense platforms are gone? I could care less about Sabres since they were always a rule quagmire but the Salamander makes me sad since the Command variant was actually an interesting force multiplier.

**H.B.M.C.**

Is there anything currently on sale that didn't make the cut, besides the flip-flopping Gorgon?

**Argive**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is there anything currently on sale that didn't make the cut, besides the flip-flopping Gorgon?

I noticed the Eldar war walker wasp kit was pulled :(

I was planing on getting some next year.

**lifeafter**

I'm hoping for 2 Damage Sagittarum weapons.

**dominuschao**

Can't look at my books atm but too off my head there's a few missing including corsairs but also repressor, lord arkos, zufor, necrosius. Maybe some of the named daemons. Plague hulk. Idk what else.

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As for what I'd expect.. Not much. Mostly weapon changes and unnecessary nerfs.. I bought the last one I'll wait to find the info for free on this go round.

**Void__Dragon**

Any word on how expensive Aetaos'rau'keres is? Is he priced at least somewhat reasonably now, or is he still over twice the price of a Castellan?

Also, is An'ggrath still a loser with a d6 damage axe?

**H.B.M.C.**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Also, is An'ggrath still a loser with a d6 damage axe?

Depends how much of a copy/paste job this book was.

**JNAProductions**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Any word on how expensive Aetaos'rau'keres is? Is he priced at least somewhat reasonably now, or is he still over twice the price of a Castellan?

Also, is An'ggrath still a loser with a d6 damage axe?

We don't know. We only have the table of contents and few DKoK bits.

**Void__Dragon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Void__Dragon wrote:
Also, is An'ggrath still a loser with a d6 damage axe?
Depends how much of a copy/paste job this book was.

I guess. I'd just hope the melee focused big daemon guy who is twice the price of a knight gallant had a weapon as good as theirs.

**H.B.M.C.**

Void__Dragon wrote:
I guess. I'd just hope the melee focused big daemon guy who is twice the price of a knight gallant had a weapon as good as theirs.

Hey now! That almost sounds like logic. You know what GW thinks about "logic" in these here parts.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Vaktathi wrote:
Welp, Bad News/Good News time for the DKoK.

Bad News - the Doctrine is probably the most useless faction rules in the game.

Good news - they're not doing duplicate rules for stuff like Infantry Squads where they're always all more expensive and have fewer upgrade and weapon options for no reason than their codex equivalents.

I noticed however that Grenadiers do not have an entry. I'm hoping this just means they get to be Stormtroopers/Scions that can just be taken in DKoK doctrine armies. However, as the model is OOP, I suspect instead they're being moved to Legends, probably with permanent garbage unit restrictions the always had. But I'm hoping not.

Overall? If Grenadiers stay, I'd say a net gain. I'll take a lipstick doctrine over stupidly crippled unit options and inflated points costs. Honestly I didn't expect much more.

In a way thats good for Krieg since they'll get the basic toys, but a better rule would've been:
1. No morale for casualties in the shooting phase
2. Shoot on death 5+ at full BS

**Brutallica**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Any word on how expensive Aetaos'rau'keres is? Is he priced at least somewhat reasonably now, or is he still over twice the price of a Castellan?

Also, is An'ggrath still a loser with a d6 damage axe?

Most likely he will be!

Allready by now with removal of many models and Lord Zhufor being scrapped... i knew GW taking the wheel would be a VERY bad thing.

**Dysartes**

Silly question time - did this Zhufor character have a model released by FW?

**Not Online!!!**

Dysartes wrote:
Silly question time - did this Zhufor character have a model released by FW?

YES!

An actually pretty stylish one...

**beast_gts**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Silly question time - did this Zhufor character have a model released by FW?

YES!

And he's still on the web store - but TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK.

**harlokin**

The snarling helmeted version looked great too.

**Not Online!!!**

harlokin wrote:
The snarling helmeted version looked great too.

helmeted he is even better looking... gw don't do propper chaos... even the new CSM for as baroque as they are, are not viscious enough same especially for the terminators...
But he atleast we got for those sets enough garden fences to put around most of our gardens instead of propper baseline equipement... yes i am still salty about that.

**ArcaneHorror**

I'm also really bummed that the giant spawn and Chaos beast were both squatted. Their strange, chaotic powers and rules would have perfectly fit the theme of my army.

In the trailer for the compendium, updates for the DK are stated as one of the book's highlights. Between these unit deletions and the worse trait, in retrospect, that trailer almost seems like a cruel prank on and a direct insult to Krieg fans.

**Not Online!!!**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm also really bummed that the giant spawn and Chaos beast were both squatted. Their strange, chaotic powers and rules would have perfectly fit the theme of my army.

In the trailer for the compendium, updates for the DK are stated as one of the book's highlights. Between these unit deletions and the worse trait, in retrospect, that trailer almost seems like a cruel prank on and a direct insult to Krieg fans.

Are you surprised, DKoK are going to get the R&H treatment, aka slow painfull death via rules removal, destruction of separete identity and slowly ooping in order to milk the last few players dry and then finally curb 40k FW completely..

I also have 0 hope that the FW legends list will do any justice to the factions now soon to be in there.

**Stevefamine**

Wow GW really gak the bed here

**yukishiro1**

There's a reason they're pushing it out between codexes with very little prior fanfare, after having delayed it over and over, and it's not because it's a big flagship release they're proud of.

**Xenomancers**

It is because of times like these and people hate forge world.

The majority of these units will not even have a 9th eddition codex. Yet they are going to make rules that will envitably interact with those codex when they come out potentially making them OP...OR they wont and they will likely be quite bad a result.

They need to stop doing this. Make all the rules at once and include them with the armies codex they are intended to be played in...They are in fact...part of the same game I am told.

**Catulle**

Hee! The Astartes aren't under the Imperium. Splitters!

**Dysartes**

Catulle wrote:
Hee! The Astartes aren't under the Imperium. Splitters!

...no different to how they're listed on the GW website, though.

**Ice_can**

Xenomancers wrote:
It is because of times like these and people hate forge world.

The majority of these units will not even have a 9th eddition codex. Yet they are going to make rules that will envitably interact with those codex when they come out potentially making them OP...OR they wont and they will likely be quite bad a result.

They need to stop doing this. Make all the rules at once and include them with the armies codex they are intended to be played in...They are in fact...part of the same game I am told.

Which would be people being ill informed as usual asthis is a GW book from the same muppets that can't balance CA2020 or The first codex's of 9th either way blaming FW for rules and book timing they have 0 input too or control over is like blaming Santa for someone crashing their car into your yard on Halloween.